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Author Topic: FBYOR 7 - Game Over - Heaven or Hell  (Read 74313 times)

Jim Groovester

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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1800 on: March 21, 2025, 03:23:17 am »

I'm going to try to read through the game but I don't know how far I make it before I give up or stop caring.

We all noticed this makes the defense "but NQT was totally willing to die to Tric's mass suicide plan" obsolete, right?

It's still a bad play with the revive, it just takes more time for notquitethere to get punished if his gamble doesn't pan out.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1801 on: March 21, 2025, 03:44:26 am »

I keep having this annoying feeling like there are two mafia left.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1802 on: March 21, 2025, 04:01:55 am »

I don't think 4p + 1 mally for a game this size is unreasonable.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1803 on: March 21, 2025, 04:06:22 am »

I don't think 4p + 1 mally for a game this size is unreasonable.

I dunno, multiple town (TricMagic + VermilionSkies) have abilities that kill themselves. And mafia (Crystalizedmire) had an ability that gave her control over the lynch for the day. 4p + mally seems like it'd be tough to beat.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1804 on: March 21, 2025, 04:17:27 am »

I didn't get into abilities because we could be at it for a while. ToonyMan's revive (if he's town), NQT's revive (if he's town), your kill, Krr1ss' threads of fate action, Salvatore Monday's open ended freeform RP ability. It's not stacked only in scum's direction.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1805 on: March 21, 2025, 04:21:52 am »

I don't know if it's any likelier than 3p + 1 mally but I don't think it's an unreasonable possibility.

I don't know if I can say that I can pin two remaining players as the final members of a 4p scum team though. If I think about it from that perspective I have a hard time seeing a 4p scumteam.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1806 on: March 21, 2025, 07:31:58 am »

Fuck me D2 is forever.

I stopped at page 60 on D2. I skipped over non-mafia dead players and a lot of Imp's posts and it still took forever.

Observations:

Magma Mater is very likely not mafia. Magma Mater suspects CrystalizedMire during D1 and is not non committal about it, he means it. He carries this through D2 and eventually pushes and gets a lynch on CM. He also lols at The Canadian kitten replacing out. It would be very sociopathic of him to do this if he knew TCk was non-mafia when TCk requested the replacement. I've said for a while I think MM makes a bad teammate for CM and rereading D1 affirms that assessment. Agentt also targets Magma Mater and gets Usurped during N1 which seems like an interaction they don't need to perform if they are on the same team.

ToonyMan is probably not mafia with CrystalizedMire. CM has a D1 reads list and ToonyMan is at the bottom of that reads list. CM also votes ToonyMan during D2 for being the third vote on the TCk bandwagon which is really bad reasoning that also ignores ToonyMan voting TCk to keep the game healthy vs thinking TCk is scum. CM is a bad teammate for ToonyMan since CM tries to get ToonyMan lynched with not great reasoning.

I probably need to finish reading D2 before making conclusions about who between Imp and notquitethere is likelier to be scum but I have some initial observations.

notquitethere and Agentt at points in time on D1 and D2 spend time interacting and it's mostly NQT tutoring Agentt. These interactions are probably innocent because NQT interacts with Krr1ss in the same way. On D2 Agentt does throw shade at notquitethere and Krr1ss and suggests that it's a scum interaction to fake appearing busy. Agentt is the kind of player to tie the vote for his scum teammate so I'm not sure Agentt is able to be indirect about putting distance between him and NQT if they're scum partners.

An interesting thing Agentt asks during D1 is if it's normal for scum teams on this board to be super controlling and thoroughly vet responses before posting. It occurred to me while wondering about whether an Agentt/NQT interaction was an interaction between scum, maybe Agentt's site culture question was prompted by his own experiences in scum chat rather than just idle wondering, and thinking about it from that angle I wonder between notquitethere and Imp who would more likely fit the description of a super controlling scum teammate. It could also be based on Agentt's experiences in theater chat, or might actually be an innocent site culture question as well.

Imp's D1 is not bad but Imp has a pretty bad D2, picking bad targets. Imp goes after TricMagic for forgetting to submit an action in time. Imp also votes VermillionSkies at some point to summon them into the game, then town reads VS when he shows up. I think D2 is when Krr1ss claims being responsible for the threads of fate and then Imp's capability to see reason in the game is permanently compromised.

notquitethere doesn't have a great D1. notquitethere spends a lot of D2 going after toastercultist and VermillionSkies for being quiet. Haven't read all of Day 2 but notquitethere's votes do end up on Agentt at the end. How serious is he about Agentt lynch? I guess I should probably read more before making a conclusion.

I think ToonyMan's D1 points about notquitethere and Imp hold a lot of water but I think looking at D2 notquitethere looks a bit better.

I'll continue this tomorrow. I don't know if I'm going to bother with D3 or D4.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1807 on: March 21, 2025, 07:59:37 am »

Why does all the exciting stuff have to happen when I'm asleep?

Yes, I had a secret resurrection. I said there were were a lot of resurrections floating around. I think Crystal's Anti-Res Kill was made especially as a counter to me.

Why didn't you share your revival ability with VermilionSkies in your lover chat, notquitethere?
Vermilon wasn't clear for me, so I wasn't going to share my Big Secret with a potential mafia player. V in turn didn't share their deal either. A missed opportunity for both of us

I'm pfp and just waking up— proper catchup soon. I still haven't seen who shot me.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1808 on: March 21, 2025, 08:43:43 am »

Oh it was Vermilion self destruct, I wasn't shot.

Imp, Imp

Mostly, POE by this point, but like I said, I'll look back.

How serious is he about Agentt lynch?
I was very serious about it, to the extent that I developed the case again the next day and finally got Agentt eliminated.

Before Euchrejack was eliminated, he complained that no one was giving him any credit for eliminating scum. People ignored that, expecting some amount of distancing/bussing. But we really should have given it more credence.

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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Shark Tank With Hats (7 / 14)
« Reply #1809 on: March 21, 2025, 08:59:39 am »

Verm, what's your read of NQT and why?  What are you picking up on?  I'm so sorry you're lovers with that one.

Ah, it's about time for me to make a post.

My role never had kill immunity or revivals at any point, I lied. The original Car Accident made it too tempting, and I have a history from BYOM to uphold.
It's probably Magma or Imp? I'll be cleaning up some of the other possibilities shortly, so don't worry about that. My time's almost up, and I have a meeting to get to.
Godspeed, Imp. Good luck you all.

Sorry, NQT. I can't default on The Devil's debts.

So,  NQT.

Why'd your partner self destruct, any ideas?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1810 on: March 21, 2025, 09:12:25 am »

It looks like he had to self-destruct at a certain point regardless. That was a part of his role. "Cleaning up other possibilities" refers to taking me out (quite incidentally, I wasn't his suspect).

The only things Vermilion told me in chat were:

- Imp and then Magma were his main suspects
- He said he planned to get two more votes as he didn't need most of his other abilities any longer.

That last point I realise now meant he knew he wasn't going to survive until the night. I suppose he could have helped quickhammer, but he didn't end up doing that.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Shark Tank With Hats (7 / 14)
« Reply #1811 on: March 21, 2025, 09:14:52 am »

Imp, you graverobbed the Top Hat, right?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1812 on: March 21, 2025, 09:16:06 am »

It looks like he had to self-destruct at a certain point regardless. That was a part of his role. "Cleaning up other possibilities" refers to taking me out (quite incidentally, I wasn't his suspect).

The only things Vermilion told me in chat were:

- Imp and then Magma were his main suspects
- He said he planned to get two more votes as he didn't need most of his other abilities any longer.

That last point I realise now meant he knew he wasn't going to survive until the night. I suppose he could have helped quickhammer, but he didn't end up doing that.

Two more votes...

Imp then magma....

And now he's not here to speak for himself.

So fascinating.  "some other possibilities".

Godspeed, precious Verm.

Two more votes.

And he started with 3.  Died with 4.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Sheer Heart Attack (6 / 14)
« Reply #1813 on: March 21, 2025, 09:25:12 am »

I enjoy your poetic style Imp, but I'm just reporting what he said. He said much the same when he died.

I notice you missed my last question. I'll take that as confirmation.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 5 - Shark Tank With Hats (7 / 14)
« Reply #1814 on: March 21, 2025, 10:01:20 am »

Ah, it's about time for me to make a post.

My role never had kill immunity or revivals at any point, I lied. The original Car Accident made it too tempting, and I have a history from BYOM to uphold.
It's probably Magma or Imp? I'll be cleaning up some of the other possibilities shortly, so don't worry about that. My time's almost up, and I have a meeting to get to.
Godspeed, Imp. Good luck you all.

Sorry, NQT. I can't default on The Devil's debts.

Verm's history from BYOMonster.  He was town.  So was I - our first actual game together, I typoed earlier calling it BYOAlignment (that happened too, but later).  He targeted me, at my invitation.  As did 2 maf.  And they all went into a chat together.  Was a bit before we solved the 2 maf with him, but we caught their scarier teammate N1, thanks to Mater, the luck of me having investigate but Mater helping guide my sus of who to investigate.

And that history from BYOMonster.  He lied about almost everything.  That groupchat with all maf too.

I was absolutely not bulletproof whatsoever.
This game was silly, I enjoyed it.

I don't think I'll be joining too many mafia games, but maybe if another BYOR shows up where I can submit something interesting.

Cerberus (Town)

Welcome, VermilionSkies. You are Cerberus, that great three-headed beast who needs no introduction! Ironic that you would be summoned from the netherworld into a situation so likely to return you to it! In any event, you are aligned with the Town. You win when all Anti-Town factions are dead and at least one member of the Town is alive.

You have the following abilities:

(Auto, 3-shot) Three Heads: You automatically protect yourself from an oncoming kill at the cost of a shot of this ability. If this ability runs out of shots, you die. You may act as many times per Phase as you have shots of this ability. You may use the same action multiple times per Phase.

(Night) Underworld Guardian [t]: Intercept kills aimed at the target (you die instead).

(Night) Spirit Harrier: At the end of the night, learn the targets and results (if any) of all dead players.
Here's my role that I almost entirely lied about!
Also, both AP/Hec/Toony and Oliver knew my role's name while 4mask was still alive.

Yep, just claimed it in agentchat, in the hopes it would pressure them into claiming it back.
Did, uh, not expect them to have an immediate groupchat to someone who can bypass everything to kill a target if they know their name.
Still would have lived it though, if it had happened, because I doubt they would have doubled up on killing me with a mafiakill that strong.

There's a thing called integrity.  A refusal to go for a hat win; a refusal to all conversion - force it, sure.  Trick it.  But it will be fought every step of the way.  "Species traitor".  A thing some players refuse to be.

Asked his opinion of NQT.  "It's probably Magma or Imp? I'll be cleaning up some of the other possibilities shortly, so don't worry about that."

He and NQT who sussed me absolutely could have ended me.  He alone, NQT's one vote on me.  Could have hammered me clean.

Verm chose to die rather than hammer me.  He chose to remove himself and NQT, who simply didn't go.

"Godspeed" he said.

That's not a curse.  That's not deep sus.  Verm knew he couldn't read me, that's Verm.  He likes to play silly.

Integrity.  That's your clue, Verm.  Part of what colors your posts for me.  When you're anti-town your heart isn't in it - isn't the same color.  But wow.  You have integrity as town.

No, NQT.

I do not believe Verm sussed me most of all.

I do not believe he didn't suspect you.

That's not what I see in Verm's play.  At all.

Precious, godspeeding Verm, 'two votes'.
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