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[Imp]

It's true that Imp's voting pattern has been the worst of anyone. On the other hand, I chose Imp to visit n1 and there's nothing in the flavor that gives me the slightest reason to think "mafia" at all. I guess there's one reference to the color red I could really stretch, but it's more likely to imply that Imp is Jewish or Hindu than anything else.

Or that this is a Krr1ss thing.

Karmaless God of Karma and Fate (Town)
You oversee it all, a realm apart.
Once in a while, your intangible needle pulls a thread one way or another.
(Night) Read The Records [target]: All beings have Records. You follow a karmic thread. Your target gains the Status "Thread of Fate {X}", where X is the name of the Greek letter corresponding to the current Night number. Guilt will stain the thread. At the end of this Night, you learn how many players possess that Status, and how many of them have ever been the direct cause of another player's death.
(2-Shot, Night) Pull The Strings [{X}, {Y}]: You put your needle to the thread. Perfect Cloak is Disabled. Actions performed by players with the Status "Thread of Fate {X}" will fail if they are performed on players with the Status "Thread of Fate {Y}" this Night. The Status "Thread of Fate {X}" is removed from all players that have it. {X} and {Y} may be the same.

(Reference, Status) Thread of Fate {X}: A colored thread's strung through your soul. If you visit another player with a non-Free role action the Night you gained this Status, they also gain this Status if they did not already have it.

Only 3 players ever claimed that Thread status.  I'm the only one alive now.  My thread was red in the flavor I was told that night.

Verm and Agentt never said a color.

[Imp]

It's true that Imp's voting pattern has been the worst of anyone. On the other hand, I chose Imp to visit n1 and there's nothing in the flavor that gives me the slightest reason to think "mafia" at all. I guess there's one reference to the color red I could really stretch, but it's more likely to imply that Imp is Jewish or Hindu than anything else.

Or that this is a Krr1ss thing.

Karmaless God of Karma and Fate (Town)
You oversee it all, a realm apart.
Once in a while, your intangible needle pulls a thread one way or another.
(Night) Read The Records [target]: All beings have Records. You follow a karmic thread. Your target gains the Status "Thread of Fate {X}", where X is the name of the Greek letter corresponding to the current Night number. Guilt will stain the thread. At the end of this Night, you learn how many players possess that Status, and how many of them have ever been the direct cause of another player's death.
(2-Shot, Night) Pull The Strings [{X}, {Y}]: You put your needle to the thread. Perfect Cloak is Disabled. Actions performed by players with the Status "Thread of Fate {X}" will fail if they are performed on players with the Status "Thread of Fate {Y}" this Night. The Status "Thread of Fate {X}" is removed from all players that have it. {X} and {Y} may be the same.

(Reference, Status) Thread of Fate {X}: A colored thread's strung through your soul. If you visit another player with a non-Free role action the Night you gained this Status, they also gain this Status if they did not already have it.

Only 3 players ever claimed that Thread status.  I'm the only one alive now.  My thread was red in the flavor I was told that night.

Verm and Agentt never said a color.

Correcting my mangled quote.

And I wonder if this is related to that red thread, and if everyone's is that color.

https://ryanroseweaver.substack.com/p/the-red-thread-that-connects-us-all

[Magma Mater]

You might as well full-claim, Imp.

[notquitethere]

Ultimately, I think there is one mafia player left and that is Imp. Imp who...

...voted for The Canadian Kitten, despite having immediately just said:

I think Cat is likely town.  I have played with Cat before, one of our less strong and confident players.  I don't remember if I've seen Cat be anti-town, but this is The Canadian kitten's typical town play.  I won't be shocked if TCk flips anti-town, but I will be quite surprised, and will review the game extra close because it's the first I think time I've seen TCk be anything but town.  I'm not at all surprised if kit's some pro-town alignment.

...spammed the thread with baseless paranoia about Kris being a serial killer for two days straight

...twiddled her thumbs and failed to demonstrate any suspicions of anyone while Euchrejack was being voted out

...has now pivoted to me but isn't courageous enough to actually cast the first vote on me, when only the day before was saying she'd like to empower my role like she had apparently done to Vermilion

Imp has been moving house and probably has a lot else on her mind. Maybe this is town Imp playing a bad game. But what part of any of this makes you think she's definitely not mafia??


ppe:

I've written about Imp in my Day 1 analysis post, this includes good and bad points I tried to be impartial there's even good points about you in it. Please read it if you haven't it's in the spoiler bracket above my reads conclusion right before Verm died.

The effort over all to understand the game that you and Jim have done this last day speaks well for both of you.

You note that I help agentt out with understanding the likely setup. As I do with Kris. Both are newcomers to the subforum, so it's NAI. Though if we were on the same team, I could have said some of that stuff in our private chat.

Imp does a big ass response to Agentt in spoiler tags. This feels pointless to me if Imp is mafia with Agentt, why bother giving some indepth response - hidden in spoiler tags no less - if you're just responding to your mafia partner? I think this makes Imp look good.

I think this is a very reasonable thing to ask. A normal player would not do this. However, Imp is extremely verbose in almost all situations. It's nothing for her to type up a giant series of paragraphs. And creating content with zero risk of town being upset is a typical mafia move.

Not a good look for NQT, but he could just be mistaken. NQT does unvote Sal later after I rebuttal NQT off of Sal.

You were convinced from the beginning that Salvatore was town. I didn't see it immediately, for the reasons I gave in this post. Later came around to the view (before he flipped), based on it being a risky strategy for scum to employ (and also after I reflected a bit privately on his meta). I think my reasons why Salvatore wasn't obv-town were valid. He wasn't being helpful at that point. He has been a bit more since — though keeping quiet about the Lovers thing contributed to the Euchrejack mislynch!

Jim's fishy senses could be correct here.

I think this bit from Jim could be very telling if Crystal was actively deferring her reads to Imp.

I agree though, I don't really like how NQT voted Verm and Toastercultist and just peaced out after. I think it's kind of scummy.

I wasn't able to be around for the end of the day due to timezoens and so making the possibility of two possible wagons for other players to build on seemed like my best bet. On other days I had more reasons to vote people and so didn't split my vote.

Overall, I think your read shows Jim and Magma in a great light. The fact you've done this at all also speaks well for you. I can see why a town-Toony would think it's between me and Imp.

I've got a more fuller breakdown in my next post.

In conclusion: the Toony/Salvatore nexus is quite a good fit for malicious third party, and helpfully enough, taking down Imp would also apparently take down Toony.

I will in fact die if Imp dies.

And to be clear, I think it's most likely x1 mafia left alive.

[notquitethere]

Pro-NQT:

Not sure, this could just be NQT innocently helping out Agentt
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NQT look slightly better because all of these players besides Magma and NQT we know were town, I don't think Agentt dunks on their teammate NQT here
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This feels like town NQT to me, they didn't ignore Agentt and also didn't even wait for Agentt to come back. I feel like if NQT was mafia they may have not bothered.
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#289 - Tric's D1 reads, I like reading these because they can actually be really accurate if you flip them upside down. By that logic Imp and Jim look worse while Magma and NQT look better.
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This is probably a good sign for NQT? It does mean Agentt's vote on NQT was unnatural and didn't have a good reasoning behind it.
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Imp posts so much that Krr1ss doesn't have a read, but their remaining reads are hilariously backwards with Crystal and Agentt at the top. This kind of makes me feel better about NQT.

Anti-NQT:

#315 - NQT comes in with their own opinions, thinks Crystal's activity is a promising sign for her alignment, and shits on Sal while agreeing with Crystal that my defense of Sal is questionable.
Not a good look for NQT, but he could just be mistaken. NQT does unvote Sal later after I rebuttal NQT off of Sal.
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I agree though, I don't really like how NQT voted Verm and Toastercultist and just peaced out after. I think it's kind of scummy.

Did I miss something? Why was I your #1 scum pick after this process?

Pro-Imp:

I think this makes Imp look better
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#202 - Imp fully arives to start Wall-of-Text posting, they excitedly talk to Cat, Verm, and Agentt.
This all feels very sweet and innocent to me personally
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#205 - Imp tells Verm they can try to help them by changing their role
Nice guy Imp
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Imp wanting to help out Verm from dying feels very nice guy.
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#222 - Imp keeps telling Verm they want to help them and change their role, "I'm more motivated to fix problems than just...whatever."
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#274 - Imp does a big ass response to Agentt in spoiler tags
This feels pointless to me if Imp is mafia with Agentt, why bother giving some indepth response - hidden in spoiler tags no less - if you're just responding to your mafia partner? I think this makes Imp look good.
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#360 - Crystal defends Imp from Jim, Crystal questions Agentt on whether Agentt should be townreading Crystal so highly, also defends Cat from Magma
I feel like Imp is town here if Crystal is doing the same thing they're doing with Cat here.

Anti-Imp:

#209 - Crystal asks Imp for their reads, Imp says it's too early and they'll have reads eventually, although they are confident that Verm is town, almost 100% confident
To me this confidence is a bit odd to be so sure Verm is town, I know I do something similar but it does feel weird seeing Imp do it.
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#289 - Tric's D1 reads, I like reading these because they can actually be really accurate if you flip them upside down. By that logic Imp and Jim look worse while Magma and NQT look better.
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#302 - Crystal's D1 reads, has Imp and Verm at the top of the list, NQT is slightly town, Magma is slightly mafia, forgets to include Jim and Toastercult which Imp questions about
This makes me feel like Imp or Verm is third mafia but I don't know if Crystal would put them at top like that, not sure...
In addition, Imp banters with Crystal here which seems natural to me
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If Jim is town this is a pretty bad look for Imp and Verm. I think it's actually worse for Imp because Jim is tying Imp with Crystal here
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Imp also gives a partial reads list with Verm and Sal quite high, Jim slightly scummy, and Toastercult quite scummy. Doesn't include Magma, NQT, Crystal, Agentt...
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#419 - Imp going full paranoia about Sal while at the same time reading Sal as town
I don't even know what to say.
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#426 - Crystal thinks Sal's reads are shit, thinks Krr1ss should be higher than Agentt, also thinks Imp should be lower than Toastercultist. Thinks Sal is just following Magma's logic.
This doesn't make me feel good about Imp I think since their treatment is similar to Agentt's. At the time I also pointed out how much I didn't like Crystal's post here in post #429.
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#472 - Imp reads, still highly reading Verm as town, loves Crystal's playstyle but it sort of confident that they're probably anti-town here and not town which is interesting.

You seem to give way more reasons and more varied reasons for why Imp is scum. Even the non-scummy things she's going "good guy Imp" are in a way that could be read as pocketing Vermilion. Why would town!Imp be so certain Vermilion is worth empowering on D1? She has endless paranoia later for Kris, but zero paranoia for Vermilion.

PPE: 8 replies. Will read after I post this.

[Magma Mater]

Yeah, I also got the vibe that ToonyMan's post-by-post-analysis implicated Imp more than notquitethere, and that the conclusions didn't really fit the evidence as it was presented. I'm not surprised though, if I were ToonyMan then I'd be doing the same thing.

[notquitethere]

Imp, my apologies for missing where you voted for me. You didn't vote for me in your giant post where you lay out a case against me. That was the same cowardly move that Toaster made earlier in the game. I don't think you had mentioned me at all on D5 before I prodded the bear and asked you why you were avoiding me!

I appreciate you getting brave and putting my name in red. It's good to know where we all stand.


Magma

Yeah, I also got the vibe that ToonyMan's post-by-post-analysis implicated Imp more than notquitethere, and that the conclusions didn't really fit the evidence as it was presented. I'm not surprised though, if I were ToonyMan then I'd be doing the same thing.

Absolutely. I will freely admit that I found my suspicion of Vermilion somewhat blunted when we were made lovers. It raises the bar on being right or wrong a lot higher when you have a life on the line (even in my case where I had more than one life). This is natural enough and I don't think Toony is necessarily scum for this.

[Imp]

I already have except for the role name.  I was clear that my role was rejected by Fallacy - and repeatedly.  I finally submitted one that I believe did not displease him, though I think I was offered clues that there was at least one more that would have been more appropriate.

I can change another player's ability, if I know the ability name, one per night.  I have a lot of directions I can try to change the ability, from placing it entirely within Fallacy's hands to attempting to direct how it changes.  The way my questions about how abilities might change as I direct made it clear this might be interpreted VASTLY differently than how I might predict, and the safest thing I maybe can do with an ability is lay it as an offering to God and ask God to change it as randomness or God sees fit.

I have a lot of abilities, most are autos.  How to use my active ability and other ways it is fine-tuned is scattered throughout other abilities and parts of my role; if you'd gained it through usurp I am unsure if you'd have even been able to use it, though maybe what it needs would just automatically go with it.

I have two chances to gain any ability I change.  The chances are improved each time I target the person whose ability I change again the same night.  So, I could graverob or something, or I can assess the same person that I target for change to have a better chance to gain one or two copies of their ability; I most likely get neither.  I could get either or both.

If I get it at the start of the day after it is changed, I get the same changed ability my target gets.

If I get it at the end of the day after it is changed, I get an additionally changed ability atop the previous change; it would be random or however God chooses (all faithful delight in God's sense of humor and all other things of God).

I have mostly double-targeted, assess because I am not an alignment-traitor and I do not crave hats.  I have only gained abilities twice this game.

I gained an EoD variant on Verm's gain-votes ability; I know it isn't the same as what he had because it came EoD.  I gained a SoD same-as copy of Toony's 'fill the game with little cops' ability.

Verm gave me a 1-shot day-use vote ability when he died.  '2 votes'.  No.  Verm didn't sus me enough to not choose to give me a vote.  "Magma and Imp?"  With a question mark after it.  Verm died confused and I hope glad believing he served town well removing possibilities from the pool and I think he may have expected the game to end there, though he wasn't very clear.

NQT, your thinking is wrong about a lot of things about me.  That's like last game, I know you were town there.  You can perhaps elim me.  Maybe even kill me - even if you're town.  That does not win the game for town - I am town.  I think Toony is very likely to be town.  I think and hope you're anti-town.  If you're not, I believe it's between Magma and Jim.

[notquitethere]

And on my understanding, extremely limited but very deeply faithful, of how God might make decisions about how powerful an anti-town role might be and what kind of role might look absolutely wrong as anything but anti-town, likely solo anti-town.

Substantiate that. If you think I'm third party, what third party? I have no kill and so I'm not a serial killer. The only other third party it could be is cultist (who's in my cult? do I have actions unaccounted for?) or anti-town hunter (a total joke alignment). If you're really town, then please reflect on why you thought Kris was third party and what went wrong there.

Do you even fairly votecount me by your own 'you chose it, you're part of it' system?  Do you take into account the lies antitown told, like Toaster's "I am a cop with a green inspect" and freaking A everyone just getting off him and he still wouldn't talk even without any pressure and people still not voting him until Mater killed him?

This is incoherent. I count a vote against Toastercultist as a vote against scum. What are you getting at here?

I'm not going to get into accusations with you.  I'm not going to express my distress and distrust about what you are doing and how much it upsets me.  We went through that last game.  I am not okay with your thinking - but I had my nose rubbed in it that I am uncomfortable with your reasoning and what you miss and what you say you are thinking even when you are town.

If you, Imp-the-human, are upset then I'm sorry, that's obviously not my intention. If you Imp-as-mafia are upset, then that's great! I'm sorry that you can't follow my thinking. I think I'm very clear about what I believe and why I believe it.

NQT, your thinking is wrong about a lot of things about me.  That's like last game, I know you were town there.  You can perhaps elim me.  Maybe even kill me - even if you're town.  That does not win the game for town - I am town.  I think Toony is very likely to be town.  I think and hope you're anti-town.  If you're not, I believe it's between Magma and Jim.

Right, but last game I eventually came around to realise that you were town. I'm willing and capable of changing my mind. You can see that I offered Euchrejack opportunities yesterday to help me change my mind on him. Earlier in the game I changed my mind on Salvatore, Vermilion and to some extent Jim (he was a maybe that I moved to a no). If you're town then I don't want to eliminate you. Instead of going into Imp-tunnel-land like you did in the last game, and like you did against Kris in this game, open your mind to the possibility that you're wrong.

If you are town and can see a world where Magma or Jim is scum, then explore that possibility.

[notquitethere]

Also Imp, I'm not sure why you've decided to put all your stock into analysing Vermilion's final missive rather than try to understand the other eighteen hundred posts in this game. He says:

It's probably Magma or Imp?

It doesn't get more explicit than this. It's galling that you're even arguing about it.

Godspeed, Imp. Good luck you all.

Godspeed is an expression you say before someone is off on a journey. Your journey is out of this game. He wishes everyone well in general, and you well in your elimination.

Sorry, NQT. I can't default on The Devil's debts.

Does he make a final accusation against me? No, quite the opposite. He apologises for taking me down with him.

[FallacyofUrist]

The conversation is animated, but tense. With so few of you remaining, every word matters.

Imp silently retrieves a red marker from a pocket and adds it to the one she already had.

Imp has gained an additional vote.

Number of votes to hammer increased to 5.

[Imp]

I don't think Verm trusted himself much.  I don't think he liked that he could win as species-traitor with his partner if his partner was anti-town.

I don't think Verm would have a problem with a partner he thought likely pro-town, he's NEVER had a problem working with people he thought he could work with to win with.

But Verm doesn't necessarily have the best reads.  And Verm bowed out.  Attempting and failing to take NQT with him.

I have some sus of Jim and Mater, but not as much as I do NQT.  Verm died trusting me enough to put a vote in my hands.  I dunno if he had to die then.  Or chose to.  And he could have made his will much clearer.  But Verm is a willing follower of those he trusts, has been every mafia game I've seen him in yet.

I do think NQT NQT flips mafia, maybe some other anti-town flavor.

Thank you, Verm.  I am sorry you are dead, I am very sorry this time it was not God's will that your time outside of God's full grip was not extended further.

I ask you to remember that God is the maker of all, both heaven and hell.  And even hell is God's domain, and God's power reaches even into hell, if God chooses to reach to there.  It is all God's choice.  As you told me but.  God can make so many choices. Sometimes all you have to do is ask.  I pray for you, as I have all game except last night; when I prayed I could help empower bringing Krr1ss and if needed you back.

[notquitethere]

How convenient! Assuming she continues with Toony and Salvatore in her pocket, Imp and her Top Hat can force the miselim today.

[ToonyMan]

Uurrrggh come on Imp what are you doing

Give me a convincing case against NQT, show me in your own words, not because of Verm or God's will or whatever the heck I'm reading. Also, none of this "it's Magma or Jim" if NQT is town. WHO SPECIFICALLY is scum if NQT is town? Why?

[Imp]

Uurrrggh come on Imp what are you doing

Give me a convincing case against NQT, show me in your own words, not because of Verm or God's will or whatever the heck I'm reading. Also, none of this "it's Magma or Jim" if NQT is town. WHO SPECIFICALLY is scum if NQT is town? Why?

I'm doing my best.

I am town.

I really think you're town for mech.  Sal was town, and if you're town and nobody else has flipped something like 'auto: if someone who has flipped later is res they are now your alignment if they were previously shown to be town alignment' or whatever.  Sal's a hard read for me.  But Sal probably is still town, despite this lovers potentially being helpful to any alignment.  And if the 'who is partners with who thing' Sal/Jim/Mater pulled and allowed and then no deaths is meaningful - it still I don't see a clear pattern.  Believably town.

Mater I can't read.  I need to talk to too, out of game, that waits until after game.  But I can't read him.  His play could be town, seems more townlike than the BYOMonster game which set off this wonderful chain of events.  Essentially no confidence, and I've never seen him as anti-town.

Jim I've never seen as anti-town.  One of the best players in the game and great when town, generally helping be part of town wins.  I presume even better when maf.  He could be maf or other anti-town.

NQT I have abandoned all hope of reading well.  Because I don't strongly sus anyone else, I sus him enough to say he has to be our remaining anti-town.  I learned he can make massively scum-sided opinions, decisions, and like false 'this is true to me' beliefs and blindnesses as town - that happened last game where we both were town.

So he can do it as maf - I have no idea what his maf range is and I bet it's changed recently too, because his town play seems very different to me as of at least last game.  I don't really see anti-town in the other 4 alive and I'm town, so my vote's NQT.  I think this ends the game, plus Verm literally said 'let's end these possibilities' and somehow NQT lived.  That's not a normal protect.  I asked about protection.  I don't think it's a townie res.  I am not strongly sure, but I'm sure enough 'in reflection'.  I think NQT is the correct elim.

If NQT flips pro-town.  Toony played solid town choices.  Way more than when I've seen Toony be anti-town, and I've seen Toony take over for the BYOMonster maf slot I was hunting.  He's not trying to sooth or handle me.  And outside of interaction with me, he's making solid pro-town calls.  Ressed town, mech-proven to inspect as town.

Sal flipped town, came back.  That's always potentially a risk.  But we've seen 'clean res', same alignment res in FBYOR before, even mafia had a res-like power in FBYOR6 that would have restored a player to their previous state, including alive again, including destroyed role restored again, if only it were used to that purpose, and wouldn't have converted them.

Since coming back, Sal's choices are hard to read, Sal's hard to read.  But this is reasonably likely to be town Sal, still.

Jim or Mater, I don't know.  I think it's NQT.  That res even with a lovers death.  And Verm refusing to partner with.

If this goes to D6 I do my best to read between everyone alive then.