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[Salvatore Monday]

the Mafiakill [is] free.

Is it? I couldn't find this stated anywhere.

[Imp]

Okay so a hat win sounds impossible then.

Imp's mug action failing on Magma is what matters the most here. If this can be explained the game is over.

I possess the Propeller Hat, which makes the user immune to non-lethal actions. Crystalizedmire started the game with this hat, so if Imp is mafia then she knows what it does. She could have hoped that I actually did use it, or she could be hoping that she can convince other people that I lied about not using it.

The first time I heard about this hat was from Toony in loverchat.

We searched the game for any mention of it.  It was never named.  He suspected he got it from you.  That's what I know about it.

Oh!  Mug is very late game.  I have no idea when my mug would have happened compared to the rest of your hat shenanigans.  I have no idea if that hat's an auto or what.  Charges, used.  You can tell us.  I picked you to mug for the reasons I explained.  I only know you have the hat because of discussion about it.

I only know I failed in trying to mug you because I tried to mug you and was told I failed, normal fail message, and my other action worked.

[Jim Groovester]

the Mafiakill [is] free.

Is it? I couldn't find this stated anywhere.

Fallacy had to clarify that it was during D2. I think the rules have been updated to reflect that.

Or maybe they haven't. It's been a long game.

The basic Mafiakill being (Free) is a detail listed in the original post.

Edit: okay, maybe it isn't. In any case, this detail is intended to be public knowledge, and I believe it was explicitly stated in previous games.

Edit 2: yeah, the last time I mentioned it explicitly was in the Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 original post. I was misremembering. My bad.

[Salvatore Monday]

the Mafiakill [is] free.

Is it? I couldn't find this stated anywhere.

Fallacy had to clarify that it was during D2. I think the rules have been updated to reflect that.

Or maybe they haven't. It's been a long game.

The basic Mafiakill being (Free) is a detail listed in the original post.

Edit: okay, maybe it isn't. In any case, this detail is intended to be public knowledge, and I believe it was explicitly stated in previous games.

Edit 2: yeah, the last time I mentioned it explicitly was in the Mostly Vanilla Mafia 4 original post. I was misremembering. My bad.

Yes, right, I faintly remember that happening what feels like about six years ago. No, the OP was not updated.

[ToonyMan]

The mafiakill is (Free) according to FoU, but they still haven't updated the OP to reflect this.

[ToonyMan]

Imp if I kill myself will the game be over? I want the game to be over.

[Salvatore Monday]

Imp...it's not looking good...I'm 90% sure I know both of Magma's actions last night.

As of right now, any player could have used the mafiakill.

Magma's got the most coverage, but if it's possible Jim really mugged Imp and had the propeller hat and let Magma fakeclaim it as cover, then Magma would have a free action slot.

[Salvatore Monday]

Imp...it's not looking good...I'm 90% sure I know both of Magma's actions last night.

As of right now, any player could have used the mafiakill.

Magma's got the most coverage, but if it's possible Jim really mugged Imp and had the propeller hat and let Magma fakeclaim it as cover, then Magma would have a free action slot.

I should say, any player except me since I can't use actions.

Given that only I know there was a gunshot, the rest of you can still believe I could be mafia now and that's the reason the mafia is no-killing (because I can't). That would actually be really hilarious and I almost wish this were that game, but it isn't.

[FallacyofUrist]

The mafiakill is (Free) according to FoU, but they still haven't updated the OP to reflect this.

Fine, I'll get around to that now.

(Votecount in a few hours.)

[Imp]

Imp if I kill myself will the game be over? I want the game to be over.

I am town.  If you're town and if there's a cult that needs to equal other player numbers to win - yes game ends, cult win.

Otherwise it goes on, unless you're the sole remaining anti-town.

If you're anti-town, go and end us.  I cannot consent to being converted.  I am currently town.  If you trick me, fool me, fair play.  I cannot as-town ever work with anti-town for town to lose.

I cannot agree to a hat win either, though if one were tricked or forced onto me, my ethics are not triggered.  But I can't set one up, regardless of if I win in it or not.  Don't think we're in danger of you and hatwin.

I think you're likely town.

Let's finish this with a town win, best we can try for.

[Jim Groovester]

Imp...it's not looking good...I'm 90% sure I know both of Magma's actions last night.

As of right now, any player could have used the mafiakill.

Magma's got the most coverage, but if it's possible Jim really mugged Imp and had the propeller hat and let Magma fakeclaim it as cover, then Magma would have a free action slot.

In this scheme, who did Magma Mater shoot with the Mafiakill, and why did it fail?

[Imp]

Imp...it's not looking good...I'm 90% sure I know both of Magma's actions last night.

As of right now, any player could have used the mafiakill.

Magma's got the most coverage, but if it's possible Jim really mugged Imp and had the propeller hat and let Magma fakeclaim it as cover, then Magma would have a free action slot.

I should say, any player except me since I can't use actions.

Given that only I know there was a gunshot, the rest of you can still believe I could be mafia now and that's the reason the mafia is no-killing (because I can't). That would actually be really hilarious and I almost wish this were that game, but it isn't.

I am aware you can be any alignment, heck you can literally potentially rewrite your entire role, including alignment; you could have ressed as part of a convert - I don't think from Toony.  I can imagine an auto (I do not have such) that causes res to convert alignment.  Would also have to have not been working D1 or otherwise exclude Verm, because Verm ressed D1.

But you also are more likely to be town still.  And you're playing reasonably towards a town win.  I hope you didn't choose to alignment-traitor.  If you did, we deal with it as best we can, any who can, when it can be detected.

[notquitethere]

I still think you're likely anti-town.  I don't think I can tell, and I really only sus you or Mater-Jim mix.

I think the biggest red flag you've shown is that you don't have a real suspicion. You're hedging hard! In the last game you could give reams of textual support to your suspicions. You were wrong about a lot of them (at least about me) but you got it right in the end.

This time you you just seem to be shrugging and saying you can't read me. And oh well, when I flip town it must be Magma/Jim. You have to see why I don't find any of that reassuring? I appreciate you're being "gentle" with me by not going chimp mode and throwing shit around wildly but I do expect from town-Imp some actual scumhunting and town reading ability and so far I've seen distressingly little.

[ToonyMan]

During N5 deliberations I told Imp they should graverob Tric while I mug Magma, however Imp insisted they mug Magma even though I told them it was riskier for them to do that instead of me. I don't really want to mention this because it's incriminating against Imp and lowers my chances of winning overall, but Imp being mafia would explain why they really wanted to "mug" Magma so they can say their action failed. I thought it was strange behavior from Imp and I have to confess the truth as I don't believe it's fair to other players not to have a more complete picture. Maybe this will encourage Jim and Magma to stop being so damn shady and reserved with information since at least one of them is town instead of just me spilling my guts.

Quite soon I will literally be spilling my guts if Imp can't convince me who they think made their mug action fail. I successfully mug Magma on N4 so it's definitely possible to do.

[Salvatore Monday]

I am aware you can be any alignment, heck you can literally potentially rewrite your entire role, including alignment; you could have ressed as part of a convert - I don't think from Toony.  I can imagine an auto (I do not have such) that causes res to convert alignment.  Would also have to have not been working D1 or otherwise exclude Verm, because Verm ressed D1.

But you also are more likely to be town still.  And you're playing reasonably towards a town win.  I hope you didn't choose to alignment-traitor.  If you did, we deal with it as best we can, any who can, when it can be detected.

I would never intentionally change alignments except maaaaaybe to or from some flavor of neutral if I thought things were really bad. You've been a survivor before, I heard, and you approach it the same way I do.

But I did seriously consider doing a lot more with my one-off than I ended up doing, before I decided not to try too hard to ascend to godhood. I really only did what I said I did.