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[ToonyMan]

@Imp:
I might know what role Magma is, sorry I didn't really make that clear earlier. It's better to be vague here.

[Imp]

@Imp:
I might know what role Magma is, sorry I didn't really make that clear earlier. It's better to be vague here.

Unless Magma was part of destroying crystal, in a way hidden by the fact that our live dop also went and ate crystal, I just don't get why a town would mind being targeted by Magma, presuming Magma is town or at least isn't dop, and given the "well, imp just missed that we have other aliens running around' situation too.

I mean, if we got more?  I need cluing in.  Badly.

[Salvatore Monday]

My heart wants to vote Magma so bad but Jim has denied this passion.

What if Jim's evil?

That would mean... he went to chew on Crystal while claiming to go hang out with Mater, and apparently correctly picked that Mater stayed home?

Pretty brave.

I'll trust Jim still.

What if Mater went out to chew on Crystal, and Jim lied for him?

Is there any way for that to be possible - without Jim being exactly a rogue dop (with the 1x NK) and the win with dop alignment?

Who then decided to holster N1, and decided to pick Mater out as who Jim snuck with.

That's the only series of events that makes that possible, or what did I miss?

I'm not a mod-second-guesser by nature. I just want to evaluate alignments. I don't really know if there is any other way Meph might come up with to do it. Maybe they aren't even strictly teamed; an Exterminator could have good reason to help dopps as long as he believes dopps will fall for it and not kill him before he can. Or maybe it's exactly what you said. I don't need to know that right now; I just want to know how much you trust your gut feeling that Jim is town.

[Imp]

My heart wants to vote Magma so bad but Jim has denied this passion.

What if Jim's evil?

That would mean... he went to chew on Crystal while claiming to go hang out with Mater, and apparently correctly picked that Mater stayed home?

Pretty brave.

I'll trust Jim still.

What if Mater went out to chew on Crystal, and Jim lied for him?

Is there any way for that to be possible - without Jim being exactly a rogue dop (with the 1x NK) and the win with dop alignment?

Who then decided to holster N1, and decided to pick Mater out as who Jim snuck with.

That's the only series of events that makes that possible, or what did I miss?

I'm not a mod-second-guesser by nature. I just want to evaluate alignments. I don't really know if there is any other way Meph might come up with to do it. Maybe they aren't even strictly teamed; an Exterminator could have good reason to help dopps as long as he believes dopps will fall for it and not kill him before he can. Or maybe it's exactly what you said. I don't need to know that right now; I just want to know how much you trust your gut feeling that Jim is town.

I have no mech to back it up.  But it's very strong.  I trust me.  So I'm cool with Jim this game, because that part of me that says 'oh, this' said 'oh this time we trust Jim'.

If there's really good reason to think he's bad, that's important.

But yeah.  Purely on 'Imp feels this'.  I trust Jim.  This game.  Which is weird, but fact.

[ToonyMan]

@Imp:
You failed to read (again) that I was saying in the scenario of dopp!me I can't let Magma target me. I don't care if Magma targets me Imp because I'm not a dopp. Do you understand hypothetical scenarios? For example, out of all the solo dopp scenarios in my head, I think dopp!Imp has the greatest odds of winning. That doesn't mean it actually is dopp!Imp.

[Imp]

@Imp:
You failed to read (again) that I was saying in the scenario of dopp!me I can't let Magma target me. I don't care if Magma targets me Imp because I'm not a dopp. Do you understand hypothetical scenarios? For example, out of all the solo dopp scenarios in my head, I think dopp!Imp has the greatest odds of winning. That doesn't mean it actually is dopp!Imp.

My only ability right now to understand that thinking and why it would be discussed or a concern is if dop!toony were a focus.

[ToonyMan]

@Sal:
I really don't think Imp or Jim are dopps. Like 0.0001% chance.

[Salvatore Monday]

@Imp:
You failed to read (again) that I was saying in the scenario of dopp!me I can't let Magma target me. I don't care if Magma targets me Imp because I'm not a dopp. Do you understand hypothetical scenarios? For example, out of all the solo dopp scenarios in my head, I think dopp!Imp has the greatest odds of winning. That doesn't mean it actually is dopp!Imp.

My only ability right now to understand that thinking and why it would be discussed or a concern is if dop!toony were a focus.

Magma does keep saying that Toony is a dopp so I think that was the point. Toony is responding to him, "if I were a dopp, [...]"

[ToonyMan]

@Imp:
You failed to read (again) that I was saying in the scenario of dopp!me I can't let Magma target me. I don't care if Magma targets me Imp because I'm not a dopp. Do you understand hypothetical scenarios? For example, out of all the solo dopp scenarios in my head, I think dopp!Imp has the greatest odds of winning. That doesn't mean it actually is dopp!Imp.

My only ability right now to understand that thinking and why it would be discussed or a concern is if dop!toony were a focus.

Magma distrusts every atom of my being so I felt like arguing why dopp me doesn't every succeed from their POV so they can sleep comfy with hot cocoa by the fire tonight.

[Salvatore Monday]

Anyway, in all seriousness, this time, AnimePigeon.

[Imp]

@Imp:
You failed to read (again) that I was saying in the scenario of dopp!me I can't let Magma target me. I don't care if Magma targets me Imp because I'm not a dopp. Do you understand hypothetical scenarios? For example, out of all the solo dopp scenarios in my head, I think dopp!Imp has the greatest odds of winning. That doesn't mean it actually is dopp!Imp.

My only ability right now to understand that thinking and why it would be discussed or a concern is if dop!toony were a focus.

Magma distrusts every atom of my being so I felt like arguing why dopp me doesn't every succeed from their POV so they can sleep comfy with hot cocoa by the fire tonight.

I wondered about that early D2.  He sounded sure that I had killed Crystal/was dop.  I don't get why he would particularly think either.  I don't particularly care because... crystal died to dop seems extremely likely + 2 dops in game seem extremely likely. It seems nearly impossible mater could be dop because of Jim.  If Mater is dop, Jim can't be dop; I'm VERY confused if Jim's any of the terrifying other beings that are not town.

If we have an exterminator + exterminator operative, and BOTH dop and exterminator killed Crystal N1, I'm quite surprised and confused.  And still want to trust Jim?  Yes.  So.  I don't think we live in that world.  I don't want to live in that world, with 5 town, 2 dop, exterminator with all that power + an operative helping ex.

Assuming we do not live in exterminator-overpowered literal hell.

Then Mater can't have killed Crystal, I think?  Am I a fool?  I could be.  This is a Meph setup?  They are very hard to understand and I have a very stressed brain?  I read the roles repeatedly though my mind bugged out over and over on the really scary weird alien roles, I didn't really try to sort them into maybes.

But yeah.  Start of D2 I thought apparently Mater 100% distrusted me and thought loads of false stuff about me.

Apparently he stayed home last night.  Apparently he's not the dop.  I am just too dumb to see why I should freak over Mater or worry about if Mater targets -me- tonight, or you or anyone else.  Unless there's overpowered alien stuff going on.  If there is, then ahhhhhhhh panic but I'm clueless.

I don't particularly care if Mater thinks I killed Crystal/am dop because I don't think he's dop and I got a dop to find.  Hopefully nothing worse.    Worse would be worse.

[Jim Groovester]

Have we decided who we're voting yet?

I'm thinking Magma.

This is the funniest thing we can do.

My brain says you or AnimePigeon no matter what.

I think I have difficulty moving on in the game if I don't go for AnimePigeon here as well.

I think NQT is kinda getting ignored?  AP is kinda avoidant?  Sal's gotten a ton of attention and I feel kinda sad for Sal and I prefer not to vote for Sal, but sure will if I get more reason to or have to break a tie or something and Sal seems the better pick.

I think these are fair observations. notquitethere has not been around a lot on D2 nor gotten a lot of scrutiny. I don't read him as scum because I think he has a decent D1.

I would like AnimePigeon to be around a bit more but it looks like his availability may make that difficult.

My heart wants to vote Magma so bad but Jim has denied this passion.

What if Jim's evil?

What if Mater went out to chew on Crystal, and Jim lied for him?

Maybe the next time I roll scum I should just do the absolute boldest bullshit possible. Make confirmed townies, keep my loudest critics in the game, claim guilty inspects on my teammates, never kill anyone. Play town, but as scum.

Apparently there's untrodden WIFOM to do something like that.



AnimePigeon.

[Salvatore Monday]

Maybe the next time I roll scum I should just do the absolute boldest bullshit possible. Make confirmed townies, keep my loudest critics in the game, claim guilty inspects on my teammates, never kill anyone. Play town, but as scum.

Apparently there's untrodden WIFOM to do something like that.

I would never tell you not to do that

[notquitethere]

Just been a very busy long weekend here. I'd probably have stayed up late and posted if I felt the game needed it, but there's only two dopps and a shed load of near-confirmed townies, so there wasn't any real urgency.

I still mildly prefer Sal over AnimePigeon, but I'm happy to be wrong here. Magma on Toony is interesting.

Magma, did you forget that all yesterday Toony was the alternative wagon to Agent?? You think that was a deep ploy?

[Magma Mater]

@Imp:
I might know what role Magma is, sorry I didn't really make that clear earlier. It's better to be vague here.

So why are you still voting for AnimePigeon?