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[Imp]

So yeah, I do not trust Magma Mater. Also the complete ignore of my question. You're not wondering why I have information on seven?

Master Magic
Master Summon
Master Command

Not hard to guess what Materia I started with despite specifically making it RNG who gets it. It's Command.

Ahh.  You asked about 7.  At game start I have none of these, and I created none of those.  However...

How's everyone feeling, peachy?

RNG favors me apparently.

My question is Meta: Who here submitted Steal, Clone, Commend, Propagate, Ban, Void-Gaze, and/or Sugar, and what do they do?

Spoiler: The Answer Is (click to show/hide)

Help I don't know what I'm doing

Not one is... actually a materia.  Which I didn't even check for, whoops, before going into 'consider if caution helps'.

So...now I wonder and suspect I don't fish.  What... caused you to pick those 7?

Sidenote, I love the way Tric is chasing Mater.

For the moment I lean 'could be town' on Mater and 'reasonably townie' on Tric.  I want to see way more from folks.

peer at Verm

You too, 'top town'.  I need to see more from you.  I... actually told 3 people, FoU, Crystal, and Agentt, how I read you, what I look for, last game FoU ran - then decided to delete it from scumchat.  If either the two currently playing happen to be maf with you, they might tell ya, making you more challenging to read and revealing a possible connection.

grins with merry interest

Long as you play it's gonna be fine, I think.  Especially if you are town.

Sidenote, I'm again a kinda Santa of sorts.  I have decisions to make before end of day, presuming I live to N1 and even if the decision is 'delay Christmas'.  So I want to see everyone chattering and doing stuff and giving me enough info so I can do whatever impish stuff I do.  Many of you are already doing great, keep it up!

[Elephant Parade]

Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
-snip-

Is that... valid? Are you really going to do this to NQT?

I have a Materia with a "Defend" of redirection immunity, so it's probably fair to say that redirection is at least a possibility.

IMO even that would've been better revealed D2 but whatever.

Tric feels town, with the way he's doing random nonsense and latching onto the first relatively weird thing he even sees.

I agree. +1 town point for you.

[zemaj]

Generally, I think more posts = more info = good for town.  But that is more about public, in-thread posts.  Night chats can be double-edged.  If you are fairly certain of the alignment of your chat-partner, great.  Otherwise...

In this specific setup, I think N1 private chats are possibly less useful.  Past that, they become increasingly useful.  My opinion though.

I've been turning this over in my head and I still don't get why this would be the case; mind explaining?

Probably just a different meta than I am used to, but this community seems to be quite confident of their D1 reads.  I tend to not be confident of much, until I have solid flip/mech based info to start really digging into & making the pieces 'fit'.  This is all based on my meta and POV, which ties back to the first paragraph of the post quoted.

Basically, if one is confident in their read of the player targeted with a night chat, great.  If not, you are giving a potential scum a more direct method of influencing your reads.

[Magma Mater]

So yeah, I do not trust Magma Mater. Also the complete ignore of my question. You're not wondering why I have information on seven?

Master Magic
Master Summon
Master Command

Not hard to guess what Materia I started with despite specifically making it RNG who gets it. It's Command.

If you want to know what my materia do, you're gonna have to trade me for it.

[Elephant Parade]

Generally, I think more posts = more info = good for town.  But that is more about public, in-thread posts.  Night chats can be double-edged.  If you are fairly certain of the alignment of your chat-partner, great.  Otherwise...

In this specific setup, I think N1 private chats are possibly less useful.  Past that, they become increasingly useful.  My opinion though.

I've been turning this over in my head and I still don't get why this would be the case; mind explaining?

Probably just a different meta than I am used to, but this community seems to be quite confident of their D1 reads.  I tend to not be confident of much, until I have solid flip/mech based info to start really digging into & making the pieces 'fit'.  This is all based on my meta and POV, which ties back to the first paragraph of the post quoted.

Basically, if one is confident in their read of the player targeted with a night chat, great.  If not, you are giving a potential scum a more direct method of influencing your reads.

Our D1 lynch hitrate is shockingly good so no surprise there. I see what you're going for, but I think you ignore the possibility of developing your read on someone through a shared groupchat (granted, I can't think of a time this has happened) and overstate the degree to which a player who isn't confident in another player would let said other player shape their opinions.

[FallacyofUrist]

If you want to know what my materia do, you're gonna have to trade me for it.

You seem highly invested in trading, when I put this point together with the gigatrade list you made earlier.

[zemaj]

post#62 ebwop:

as relates to this setup, from my understanding everyone has equal amounts of materia, and randomly distributed.  So any  info provided related to that is NAI.  Fishing may be scummy.  Over-sharing may be scummy.  Discussion, soft-claims, and partial claims are somewhat less scummy, to my thinking, at this point.

PPE:

<snip>
Our D1 lynch hitrate is shockingly good so no surprise there. I see what you're going for, but I think you ignore the possibility of developing your read on someone through a shared groupchat (granted, I can't think of a time this has happened) and overstate the degree to which a player who isn't confident in another player would let said other player shape their opinions.

that's fair.  I am still adjusting to new group, so my underlying rationale may not fit as good as it would elsewhere, I freely admit.

got any insights for the new-to-community players that you think would be generally helpful in alleviating biases that do not fit here?

[Imp]

Generally, I think more posts = more info = good for town.  But that is more about public, in-thread posts.  Night chats can be double-edged.  If you are fairly certain of the alignment of your chat-partner, great.  Otherwise...

In this specific setup, I think N1 private chats are possibly less useful.  Past that, they become increasingly useful.  My opinion though.

I've been turning this over in my head and I still don't get why this would be the case; mind explaining?

Probably just a different meta than I am used to, but this community seems to be quite confident of their D1 reads.  I tend to not be confident of much, until I have solid flip/mech based info to start really digging into & making the pieces 'fit'.  This is all based on my meta and POV, which ties back to the first paragraph of the post quoted.

Basically, if one is confident in their read of the player targeted with a night chat, great.  If not, you are giving a potential scum a more direct method of influencing your reads.

Blinks  Neat.  Reminds me of how I saw NQT in a 3-way private chat, him town and the other two maf, fall into this beautifully.

If I were in a private chat with a maf, I would expect to get awesome clues because they are literally trying to influence my reads.

Far as I'm concerned, anyone do nearly anything.  I get info from it all.

In this specific case, there's potentially mech benefit involved.  For that reason I'm not thinking, "ooh, I can better probe X with a private chat!" or even "Ooh, collaborating privately with surely town X is gonna help!" or even 'well, X and I don't get along great, so I am definitely not gonna private chat with X' because to me.... this is potential mech goodness with a side effect of 'oh, and a private chat'.  Which has its own benefits too.

But... I never think 'uh-oh.  So and so will influence my thinking, I better not'. And it is weird to me, though I see evidence it exists, that others do.

I'd more slingshot around the person's intentional gravity.  Like.... flying by the sun?  That's not 'fly into the sun, oh no destruction don't even consider that'; that's 'fly near and get some neat path and acceleration affects, whee'!

It's like an expected 1:1 connection between 'attempt' and 'attempt worked'.  Meanwhile, I'm over here like an aikidoist, hoping an enemy throws a punch so I can do even cooler stuff with that than I can if I have to start the fight too.

Except with the private chat potential benefits, I would prefer not to give not-town the mech benefits, so I do wanna be careful there.

[Elephant Parade]

post#62 ebwop:

as relates to this setup, from my understanding everyone has equal amounts of materia, and randomly distributed.  So any  info provided related to that is NAI.  Fishing may be scummy.  Over-sharing may be scummy.  Discussion, soft-claims, and partial claims are somewhat less scummy, to my thinking, at this point.

This is wishy-washy to the point of not really saying anything. Bad things are sometimes scummy and neutral things less so? You don't say.

<snip>
Our D1 lynch hitrate is shockingly good so no surprise there. I see what you're going for, but I think you ignore the possibility of developing your read on someone through a shared groupchat (granted, I can't think of a time this has happened) and overstate the degree to which a player who isn't confident in another player would let said other player shape their opinions.

that's fair.  I am still adjusting to new group, so my underlying rationale may not fit as good as it would elsewhere, I freely admit.

got any insights for the new-to-community players that you think would be generally helpful in alleviating biases that do not fit here?

I've never played mafia anywhere else so not really. Magma and Imp probably have tips?

[Imp]

post#62 ebwop:

as relates to this setup, from my understanding everyone has equal amounts of materia, and randomly distributed.  So any  info provided related to that is NAI.  Fishing may be scummy.  Over-sharing may be scummy.  Discussion, soft-claims, and partial claims are somewhat less scummy, to my thinking, at this point.

PPE:

<snip>
Our D1 lynch hitrate is shockingly good so no surprise there. I see what you're going for, but I think you ignore the possibility of developing your read on someone through a shared groupchat (granted, I can't think of a time this has happened) and overstate the degree to which a player who isn't confident in another player would let said other player shape their opinions.

that's fair.  I am still adjusting to new group, so my underlying rationale may not fit as good as it would elsewhere, I freely admit.

got any insights for the new-to-community players that you think would be generally helpful in alleviating biases that do not fit here?

I believe we were able to submit 1, 2, or 3 materia ideas.

Which could be collapsed if highly similar to other materia ideas, but we could also if we wanted choose to start with some number of any materia we created.

So, if I submitted 'trash', 'treasure' and 'optimally overpowered', I could also choose to start with 5 'optimally overpowered'.  Or any other split, I don't have to have random materia.

And... if someone can do 'extra effect on specific materia holder if targeted' and they know what materia I got?

Boom headshot or whatever special effect.

That said, I speculate.  I claim I don't currently have any materia that does that, and that if I lie about it, it's a townie lie.

[Elephant Parade]

FallacyofUrist: You seem convinced that Magma has an ulterior motive for trading. How convinced are you? What's the %chance that Magma honestly just thinks that trading is a really good idea?

[Imp]

So then I was like, let's make a list of who's posted and which posts!  And I was thinking, I'ma vote whomever hasn't posted yet!

NQT host 28
EP 29 34 41 47 53 55 61 64 68 70
Tric 30 56 59
Verm 31
Crystal 32
Toony 33 36 39
Magma 35 43 45 48 50 51 63
Imp 37 38 40 44 46 52 57 60 67 69
Zemaj 42 54 62 66
FoU 49 58 65

Votes
Tric votes Mater 56

So then I was like, Okays...that's who I'm not votin' right now.  So... who didn't post yet?

And I realize:  Gail!  And I'm like... but this is GAIL.  And I check and Gail was last active on B12 about 6 hours ago. Which is many hours after the game started.

I'd go into hunt mode.  But this is Gail.  I don't hunts the Gails.  I invites them to come and have tea and either crackers, crumpets, or crayons.  We does not RVS votes the Gail, if we includes me.  Euthanize at worst, and after more chatty checkups.  "Are you feeling townie or not today?  Running a scum?  Got a mafia on your alignment?  Aww, so sorries, hope you feel better soon."

I bet our Gail is really busy!

Gail, I hope you are okay, and my teasing is painless.  Chat when you can and choose, please please?  I'm worried about you.

But then I remembered!  What if someone else also hasn't posted yet?  So I check and it's Sal!.

Bah.  Does not want to RVS votes Sal either.  Whaaaaaaaa.  I can wait to find out what flavor of Sal we gets this game.  Hope it's a very very very very yummy one!

Verm?  Crystal?  Delicious, flavor-filled people, I am so eager to hear more from you guys too!  What's going on that catches your eyes?  Who's doing what?  Who's not doing something you'd expect them to do?  I have need of your attention so my attention can follow yours!!!

[Crystalizedmire]

Everyone: - Do you think sharing specific information about our specific materia is more help or hinderance to town or mafia in this setup?  Why?

So you see, mafia starts with 15 materia, which is a lot. We don't know who the mafia players are right now so we don't know their materia which is why I think that sharing information on our materia is going to be more helpful to mafia.

[VermilionSkies]

Considering you can't take from slotted Materia, Steal either takes from unslotted Materia - or, more relevantly, it might be able to interfere with trades.
Magma might be setting up a 'history' of trading now in order to not look off if they're trading lots later.
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Made this earlier and then got distracted before I posted it, hi Imp.

One of my Materia counters a few other Materia, one is overall a miss, and one is mildly useful in the right slot.

I don't think claiming Materia can be equated to roleclaiming, but I still think publicly revealing potentially scum-sided Materia is a mistake when it's so easy to grab new Materia out of nowhere.

[FallacyofUrist]

FallacyofUrist: You seem convinced that Magma has an ulterior motive for trading. How convinced are you? What's the %chance that Magma honestly just thinks that trading is a really good idea?

Mm, 20-30%? If I was merely interested in trading, I'd just discuss the mechanic and hint at what I might be willing to trade, try and bait out the players who are also interested.

I'm not sure why Magma, if they just want to trade, would make a mega-trade post like that, and moreover, would make sharing of information conditional on trading.

It does seem like there's an ulterior motive, but there's not really enough information to say what.

It's also probably not alignment indicative, but does seem worth paying attention to, for how it develops.