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Author Topic: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One - Equivalent Exchange  (Read 1824 times)

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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2025, 05:44:25 pm »

Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Elephant Parade in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to FallacyofUrist in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Gail_42 in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Imp in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Salvatore Monday in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to ToonyMan in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to TricMagic in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Vermillion Skies in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to zemaj in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Elephant Parade in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to FallacyofUrist in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Gail_42 in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Imp in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Salvatore Monday in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to ToonyMan in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to TricMagic in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Vermillion Skies in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to zemaj in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Elephant Parade in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to FallacyofUrist in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Gail_42 in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Imp in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Salvatore Monday in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to ToonyMan in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to TricMagic in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Vermillion Skies in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to zemaj in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Elephant Parade in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to FallacyofUrist in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Gail_42 in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Imp in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Salvatore Monday in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to ToonyMan in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to TricMagic in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Vermillion Skies in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to zemaj in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Elephant Parade in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to FallacyofUrist in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Gail_42 in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Imp in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Salvatore Monday in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to ToonyMan in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to TricMagic in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to Vermillion Skies in exchange for 1 materia
Trade 1 materia to zemaj in exchange for 1 materia
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2025, 05:46:17 pm »

I'd like for the reader to insert themselves into the shoes of the protagonist. It was intentionally written with an ungendered protagonist, for accessibility reasons.
I did write it myself. I was inspired by Gail's reaction to my "put your fingers in the pudding and stir it around" post last game.

I've hidden the names of my materia in the post, for posterity.

And before anyone asks, it is purely a work of fiction. I do not actually own a Razor scooter.  :(

Aha.  How infectious-sounding.  I will stick to butternut-braised-beef-heart, and sans other peoples' fingers too.  And yeah, I thought I remembered something about Gail and 'yogurt' and pudding and fingers... thanks.  I also felt really weird when I couldn't find the Gail-connected yogurt thing; to me pudding and yogurt are nearly synonyms so that works.  Wasn't popping into recall but I remembered there was something there and I flagged it Gail-connected. That solves the weird shape-feel and I can gratefully let those thoughts go now as 'solved'.

Here's to you having a Razor scooter before long!

Have you already marked any 'haha, the scum spoke' posts yet?  Or is that still top secret this game?
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2025, 05:47:37 pm »

ToonyMan:- got any good memes to start us off with. (PPE, yep!)  Also, hey.

Everyone: - Do you think sharing specific information about our specific materia is more help or hinderance to town or mafia in this setup?  Why?
I don't think it'd be helpful. Not preemptively sharing ability info is IMO typically better because you retain the option to share later, avoid giving scum info they can work around, and are unlikely to fail to share since your abilities generally flip on death. What's different in this setup is that scum might have copies of your abilities, so we might want to share Materia that might be especially dangerous in scum hands—but that would basically be handing them a Refine list, so I'm back to thinking no.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2025, 05:48:47 pm »

I'd like for the reader to insert themselves into the shoes of the protagonist. It was intentionally written with an ungendered protagonist, for accessibility reasons.
I did write it myself. I was inspired by Gail's reaction to my "put your fingers in the pudding and stir it around" post last game.

I've hidden the names of my materia in the post, for posterity.

And before anyone asks, it is purely a work of fiction. I do not actually own a Razor scooter.  :(

Aha.  How infectious-sounding.  I will stick to butternut-braised-beef-heart, and sans other peoples' fingers too.  And yeah, I thought I remembered something about Gail and 'yogurt' and pudding and fingers... thanks.  I also felt really weird when I couldn't find the Gail-connected yogurt thing; to me pudding and yogurt are nearly synonyms so that works.  Wasn't popping into recall but I remembered there was something there and I flagged it Gail-connected. That solves the weird shape-feel and I can gratefully let those thoughts go now as 'solved'.

Here's to you having a Razor scooter before long!

Have you already marked any 'haha, the scum spoke' posts yet?  Or is that still top secret this game?

VermilionSkies could be mafia, dunno though. Looking to avoid the "confidently incorrect" vibe I've had the past few games.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2025, 05:49:00 pm »

Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
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Is that... valid? Are you really going to do this to NQT?

I have a Materia with a "Defend" of redirection immunity, so it's probably fair to say that redirection is at least a possibility.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2025, 05:53:02 pm »

Trade 1 materia to Crystalizedmire in exchange for 1 materia
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Is that... valid? Are you really going to do this to NQT?

I have a Materia with a "Defend" of redirection immunity, so it's probably fair to say that redirection is at least a possibility.

I imagine it's valid. Just wanted to put it out into the world that my materia are for sale. I won't say what they do, though.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2025, 06:02:43 pm »

RNG favors me apparently.

My question is Meta: Who here submitted Steal, Clone, Commend, Propagate, Ban, Void-Gaze, and/or Sugar, and what do they do?

Deliberately ignoring this.

I finally got a job so I'm feeling pretty great.

Congrats! What do you do?

Everyone: - Do you think sharing specific information about our specific materia is more help or hinderance to town or mafia in this setup?  Why?

Sharing info publicly d1 is generally a bad idea. Better to just trade stuff, that way everyone can mod-confirm each others' abilities.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2025, 06:03:58 pm »

Everyone: - Do you think sharing specific information about our specific materia is more help or hinderance to town or mafia in this setup?  Why?

However, I think any player can decide for themself if something specific to say is useful for their wincon.

To that end, I'd like to discuss that I know something about the creation of private chats, and something about ways to make the chat potentially mechanistically useful for those inside it.

Obviously I may or may not act on this N1, but I'm interested in exploring the idea with others, and also asking if anyone else wants to claim they can potentially make a private chat useful in some mechanical way too, because additive and multiplicative effects are interesting to consider exploring.

I'm not asking about specific materia, I imagine more than one could potentially have an interesting mechanical effect on private chat(s) specific or general.  listens
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2025, 06:05:23 pm »

I finally got a job so I'm feeling pretty great.
Congrats! What do you do?
Coding for a video game.

Not particularly interested in trading right now.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2025, 06:13:17 pm »

<snip>
Presuming there's redirects, blocks, and various ways to go meta and direct, knowing who claims they can do what can indeed be useful for everyone.

Do you think we should we play this game differently than we'd play other games, in terms of what we reveal and don't?

I tended towards agreement, but EP made a good point, if flips give pertinent materia-related info, town will get it eventually, and not allowing scum to pin-point which materia to Refine sooner could be better.

With every player having a potential attack each night, I wonder about how quickly people could just start dropping dead from accruing attention, as opposed to being NK'd.  With that in mind, I am thinking a recalculation of 'typical meta' could be a good thing... maybe.



<Trades>

a bold move for D1...



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Everyone: - Do you think sharing specific information about our specific materia is more help or hinderance to town or mafia in this setup?  Why?

However, I think any player can decide for themself if something specific to say is useful for their wincon.

To that end, I'd like to discuss that I know something about the creation of private chats, and something about ways to make the chat potentially mechanistically useful for those inside it.

Obviously I may or may not act on this N1, but I'm interested in exploring the idea with others, and also asking if anyone else wants to claim they can potentially make a private chat useful in some mechanical way too, because additive and multiplicative effects are interesting to consider exploring.

I'm not asking about specific materia, I imagine more than one could potentially have an interesting mechanical effect on private chat(s) specific or general.  listens

Generally, I think more posts = more info = good for town.  But that is more about public, in-thread posts.  Night chats can be double-edged.  If you are fairly certain of the alignment of your chat-partner, great.  Otherwise...

In this specific setup, I think N1 private chats are possibly less useful.  Past that, they become increasingly useful.  My opinion though.
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And I'm getting along real well with Zem in and out of game, so I just want him alive forever (In fact, I have no kill, so I don't get to say who dies, and I would have been SO HAPPY to tell the game of a maf inspect on him, though I would have considered chances of redirection in that case as well - least now I don't need to really try to read him for alignment, which is great.)

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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2025, 06:46:23 pm »

Generally, I think more posts = more info = good for town.  But that is more about public, in-thread posts.  Night chats can be double-edged.  If you are fairly certain of the alignment of your chat-partner, great.  Otherwise...

In this specific setup, I think N1 private chats are possibly less useful.  Past that, they become increasingly useful.  My opinion though.
I've been turning this over in my head and I still don't get why this would be the case; mind explaining?
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2025, 06:47:33 pm »

Right, Materia are listed now. For the record the three Master Materia are powerful, but there can only ever be one in the game at a time. So there are slightly less than the listed number.

I have three guesses for what Tric is doing, two of which I won't spell out:
1) He's making a specific play that's comprehensible but probably not very effective.
2) He's making a different, totally useless play because he missed a certain piece of information.
3) He's scum trying to get information on materia he didn't submit. Throwing a grenade in the role lake frame 1 feels like a town!Tric play so this is the least likely universe.
Number 2.

Looks at Magma Mater. What the hell is that list post?
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2025, 06:48:42 pm »

Considers ['Ng ゥ$◣ 8qZ]

While anyone could have added that in, and some of us are less likely to than others - it might even be a haha from NQT, perhaps.

I see a Japanese character, roughly corresponds to 'u' if translated out of Katakana script, unicode 'U+30A5'

We got unicode 'U+25E3' for that triangle.

And a vaguely to my read programmer/program feel.

What matters more is... what would NQT decode it to, ability meaning wise, inside this game?  Would he focus on nonsense, on random, on unexpected, or whatever else.

I have none of those answers, or claim not to, I just claim, 'huh, interesting, I observe this about it'.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2025, 06:52:18 pm »

Tric feels town, with the way he's doing random nonsense and latching onto the first relatively weird thing he even sees.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2025, 06:52:43 pm »

So yeah, I do not trust Magma Mater. Also the complete ignore of my question. You're not wondering why I have information on seven?

Master Magic
Master Summon
Master Command

Not hard to guess what Materia I started with despite specifically making it RNG who gets it. It's Command.
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