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Author Topic: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One - Equivalent Exchange  (Read 1821 times)

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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #120 on: May 04, 2025, 05:53:46 pm »

Forewarning:  This is in fact my 5th actual forum mafia game.  I played the bulk of 3 games on my 'home/original forum' and kind of fumbled *almost* playing other stuff.  I tried out some fast-discordnchat-mafia once and fumbled a lot of it pretty hard.  I will do my very best not to be annoying (don't count on it).

Zem already feels pretty "Hey, I'm essentially new here and worried people will be unfairly biased against me because people are meanies".  This part seems extremely town for him.  That insecurity of feeling alone and a potential target is exactly why I previously read him as town.  That worry of "Oh no, I have no automatic teammates to rely on or to watch my back" strikes me as a source of town-based anxiety.  The lack of trust in others, the concern of standing out in a negative way...  town lean so far.  Oh, and for the record, I was completely right with that previous read.  I get lucky sometimes.

Sal not talking is ever-so-slighty scum lean.  After seeing him play as mafia, I saw him also staying withdrawn and avoiding solving or sharing in the beginning.  His contributions became heavy and intense later on, targeting what he would assume to be the weakest scapegoat as prey.  To be less suspicious, I want to see him actually working with people on a moderately consistent level.

Imp feels consistent with the meta I have on her.  Admittedly, ai quite like her and her style.  The enthusiasm and digging is quite good for town, especially early game as we all trickle in.  She seems less enthusiastic and pushy in this game, but it could be the complications of the materia.  The number of possibilities must be overwhelmingly interesting for her, and if she really wanted to, the gal could probably write a while novel of ideas on who has what and in what combinations and blah blah.  I adore it, but understand why she might be trying to keep her focus more targeted and subdued.  Also, I absolutely giggled like a child at her post about not hunting me.

Elephant feels slightly town lean-  contributing her honest views and subtle encouragement to be cautious strikes me as 'hey guys, let's please not willingly throw ourselves in front of scum as a convenient target'.  She seems to think quite similar to me in terms of caution and info sharing, only on a sane person level and not like me, the hyperactive chihuahua with anxiety.  A saner person on my wavelength seems like someone I hope is on my side.

Magma seems to be having more fun with this one and in less of a rush to move along.  Perhaps it's because the game is larger, has much more mech to juggle, and it was granted a long starting phase.  I view his offer to trade with anyone as slightly town-  he wants to dig out info on everyone and the possibilities of what we could do, which would be helpful to strategize with other town.  The probably is it could lean slightly scum instead-  collecting the various mechanics of the OTHER materia in play ALSO while potentially holding 'evil' or whatever also means figuring out how to get around potential defenses that others may be hiding in pocket. So..  neutral so far?

Crystal feels quite consistent with her play from last game.  The vibes are nearly identical.  She was high on my sus list that game, but I was indeed wrong.  Crystal is leaning town atm in my eyes.

As of yet, my biggest thought on Vermillion is "Imp has zero idea on how to read Vermillion.  If my own thoughts aren't clear, I might end up just labeling Vermillion the exact opposite of whatever Imp reads.

I know almost nothing of Toony or Fallacy, so I'm biting my tongue and watching carefully for now.  Something about Tric is...  interesting.  It's peaking my interest.  I have almost no ideas on these three YET.

I don't think information on defense should be shared before N1!!  Town-  if you have the ability to defend yourself decently, please do so without sharing.  If you only have partial protection, for example, wouldn't it be insane to share what you're safe from?  Yeah, sure, you could lie about your defense, but lying to everyone day one is not a good look.

Oh, Imp!  I very, very much think I also have the materia you mentioned... communiticating and such and dealing with certain types of math... if you have it, keep in my mind I have it, too.  If you use it, try to hint who else may be involved, so that I can base my own possible usage with minimal waste.  I'm praying as somewhat intuitive-reading players, we will make decent choices.

I'm open to trading one of my materia...  but am cautious, as I don't want to make a newbie mistake and not recognize potential for materia.  Blargh.

Anyone want to start making guesses on potential usage of material?  We don't have to share what we have or anything, I don't wish to expose TOO much, but I want to stir ideas on usage, strategy, theories, etc.  The content is too delicious to ignore.

...sorry for the essay.
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Re: CYOM 5: Choose-Your-Own-Materia - Day One Begins!
« Reply #121 on: May 04, 2025, 06:02:29 pm »

@Gail:
Sal being quiet doesn't really mean anything about their alignment to me.

I think your Imp-like engagement is a positive thing.
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« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2025, 06:08:40 pm »

@FoU:
I don't remember zemaj being that new but I don't know how often they've played.

I choose to history here, because I can and wanna.

Zemaj Games:

2025 Jack's Budget Armed Forces Mafia, was town, lived to end of game, town won, only 'normal' game played here.
2023 Tric's Bring 3: Chaos Incarnate, was some anti-town type, game never ended in a way I understand and it was played as chaos.
Being honest. Mafia self-destructs, and hackers shut down the CORE. Everyone is happy. And the Jester gets defused.

And yeah, zemaj. Crash and Burned.

2023 NQT's Auto-Mafia, with very unusual rules, Zem was maf and won with Jim but no day play happened after D1.


Zem's first post on B12 suggests some awareness of mafia from elsewhere:

so, there's mafia games here... scanned through a couple, seems like a group I could enjoy murdering/trying vainly to keep from murdering the wrong person.  As long as this group has no interest in going to 2-week day phases, in any case... *shudder*

there any kind of player list or anything, or just informal "get in where you fit in" kind of approach?

But I consider Zem 'new to here'.  That 2025 game is my only one with Zem so far, and the only 'normal' game Zem's ever played here.

Toony was in the automafia with Zem, was town, I think Toons townread Zem D1, Jim and Zem let Toony live to endgame.

Toony was also in the Bring 3: Chaos game.  However I can't parse the chaos.  I dunno what this Toony is.
I have no night action.

For you see.

I'm made of wood, how did that happen? Yohoho, took a bite of Tree-Tree.
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« Reply #123 on: May 04, 2025, 06:12:07 pm »

@Gail:
Sal being quiet doesn't really mean anything about their alignment to me.

I think your Imp-like engagement is a positive thing.

Thank you!  That's a genuinely warm compliment.
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« Reply #124 on: May 04, 2025, 06:14:24 pm »

Zem already feels pretty "Hey, I'm essentially new here and worried people will be unfairly biased against me because people are meanies".  This part seems extremely town for him.  That insecurity of feeling alone and a potential target is exactly why I previously read him as town.  That worry of "Oh no, I have no automatic teammates to rely on or to watch my back" strikes me as a source of town-based anxiety.  The lack of trust in others, the concern of standing out in a negative way...  town lean so far.  Oh, and for the record, I was completely right with that previous read.  I get lucky sometimes.

Question, Gail.

How's Zem feel compared to our last game with him, is he showing the same attitude and 'people are meanies' lean you say you see in him here - did you see that last game?  He's known town there, so I wonder how you are factoring and adjusting your read.
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« Reply #125 on: May 04, 2025, 06:19:24 pm »

From the looks of it, that Bring 3 game isn't too hard to understand. It looks like everyone was asked to suggest three roles from a list, which were then mixed up and randomly assigned. Unfortunately, that left no claim space for scum so they almost immediately lost. Webadict had the confirmed mafia role of King and no possible way to hide it.
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« Reply #126 on: May 04, 2025, 06:32:44 pm »

Oh, Imp!  I very, very much think I also have the materia you mentioned... communiticating and such and dealing with certain types of math... if you have it, keep in my mind I have it, too.  If you use it, try to hint who else may be involved, so that I can base my own possible usage with minimal waste.  I'm praying as somewhat intuitive-reading players, we will make decent choices.

Noted.  Appreciated.  Open to discussion.  Probably too soon to choose.  We should consider if we want to have 'right of veto' and such, or at least 'omg not X.  Not not not not X sob' or whatever.  My focus is more mech than 'but I wanna talk to X', unless I think talking to X has mech involved too, which it totally can.

I'm open to trading one of my materia...  but am cautious, as I don't want to make a newbie mistake and not recognize potential for materia.  Blargh.

So, we all have 5 right now, and I don't think day 1 tricks are possible - maybe someone has a materia that itself say 'this can be put into a slot during the day' and which also allows a day weapon/attack and/or has some day-affecting meta effect.  I think that's really unlikely.

Once we can act, we can put 1x materia into the 3 slots we start with.  We can then hold or spend the other 2.  I don't see much benefit to hold it; decide what meta to use (see rules for meta and cost, ask if confused) and spend what is possible that you choose.

We get new materia each new day (and potentially at other times controlled by specific materia), what kind of new materia we get and in what quantity may be controlled by specific materia in play and/or random.  It's theoretically possible to get a really amazingly large lot of materia on a new day, if everything lines up that way.

Therefore:

Decide yourself if any given materia is better for you to equip, at least for now, or spend.

Any you would spend or don't really want to equip is 'reasonable to trade' but consider:

- if maf got it or another of it (anyone can already have any materia except the 'master' series, if Tric is being honest about that - I give a 99% chance Tric is being honest about that, however that is pure read and guess, not mech confirmed - but the maf may already have 1+) do you think that's a bad idea?  Would it be better for you to destroy it than risk it getting into hands you don't want to have it?

- Anything else you can think of.

Also consider, for any materia:

- I can/can't use this sure, but do I know anything that makes me think X could use it better?

I will be fairly quiet about my materia other than what I independently choose to volunteer, like what I already have volunteered.
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« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2025, 06:34:30 pm »

From the looks of it, that Bring 3 game isn't too hard to understand. It looks like everyone was asked to suggest three roles from a list, which were then mixed up and randomly assigned. Unfortunately, that left no claim space for scum so they almost immediately lost. Webadict had the confirmed mafia role of King and no possible way to hide it.

Oh.  I don't know the roles that well.  There's no end of game 'who had which roles' either, or list of actions.  I just really can't tell who is who and didn't even already know that the 'King of Mafia' has to be a mafia role.  Thanks!  I still find it confusing, also losing 1 team member doesn't an entire game lose, as a rule, so... I just kinda don't get that game.
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« Reply #128 on: May 04, 2025, 06:42:10 pm »

Been stressed today. So not much energy to actually do day 1 stuff.
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« Reply #129 on: May 04, 2025, 06:47:41 pm »

Been stressed today. So not much energy to actually do day 1 stuff.

I hope if you work out, that goes great for you and your body.

We're weekend.  You've posted more than some.  If you need a day-ish for you time, I support that and want you to thrive, hopefully come back in a day-ish feeling better and focused.

I'm aware you haven't discussed the whole-game space much yet.  That's cool, it's early. Chill and hurl axes if you wanna https://www.whistlepunks.com/news/5-ultimate-benefits-of-axe-throwing and can.
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« Reply #130 on: May 04, 2025, 07:05:40 pm »

From the looks of it, that Bring 3 game isn't too hard to understand. It looks like everyone was asked to suggest three roles from a list, which were then mixed up and randomly assigned. Unfortunately, that left no claim space for scum so they almost immediately lost. Webadict had the confirmed mafia role of King and no possible way to hide it.

Oh.  I don't know the roles that well.  There's no end of game 'who had which roles' either, or list of actions.  I just really can't tell who is who and didn't even already know that the 'King of Mafia' has to be a mafia role.  Thanks!  I still find it confusing, also losing 1 team member doesn't an entire game lose, as a rule, so... I just kinda don't get that game.
That's what "King" does, apparently. If the King is lynched, his team loses.
Who had what is in claims throughout the game, although it may take a little effort to piece together. If you want, I can make a guide, but since it's an old game I'm not sure how much it matters. Zemaj was the Antisocial Unjester who needed to be night killed to win (making everyone else lose), that's the important part. Mafia went all game convinced it was Fluffe, trying to nightkill him instead...

While a nice walk down memory lane, not directly productive in today's game. So let's focus on the matter at hand.

My gut is telling me that TricMagic and Fallacy are town. Imp's gut seems to say that Vermilion is town, and I'm okay with that for now. Crystal is a problem I'll leave to Imp to solve as well.

Magma, do you want to lynch a veteran today?
Imp, how do you feel about Crystal? You've made implications.
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« Reply #131 on: May 04, 2025, 07:09:30 pm »

Gail: Please try to push people a bit more. Spectating last game, I scumread you because it felt like you weren't doing that, and you just made two long posts without asking anyone in particular a question.
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« Reply #132 on: May 04, 2025, 07:10:47 pm »

My veteran-lynching thirst has been slaked for now. I'm not against it but I won't do it just for the sake of doing it.
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« Reply #133 on: May 04, 2025, 07:13:40 pm »

A bit leery of zemaj dipping after being lightly pushed but I could accept "it's the weekend" as an explanation.
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« Reply #134 on: May 04, 2025, 07:14:57 pm »

I'm working on the deck this weekend, but I'll be more present (PC-posting) in the evening.
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