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Title: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM! (ENDED)
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 05:17:32 pm
The game had been called to an end.

Thank you for the fun times!

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I'm gonna be the DM :D

Sunday 7pm-12am EST (GMT -5)

Players:
-Girlinhat
-Paul
-DoomOnion
-Kansa
-Lorgath

Introduction:

Hello I am Neonivek, I have been Dming for a while but I consider myself rather new to Dming and am prone to make a mistake or two along the way. If that doesn't bother you then welcome aboard and I'd be happy to have you along for the ride! Because of the influx of Dmless players I have taken the mantle to host another game.

Rules:

1) Everyone who is playing needs to create a location within the setting with no rules on what content they are allowed to fill it with. YOU MAY NOT CONSULT WITH OTHER PLAYERS. The minimum amount of writing requires is a paragraph.
-I should note that there are also no rules on what this location may be or what you may write about it, it could be anywhere from the size of a town to an entire continent or larger. History, people, locations, deities, races, and anything you can come up with are all perfectly valid.

2) After everyone has completed their writing assignment I will compile everything into a setting. This will include things from basic plot and history all the way to what creation rules we will use.

3) You then may make a character within the setting from the section you created informed by the world creation rules.

4) Have fun!
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 05:24:27 pm
I thought you just mentioned this offhand. Didn't expect you to actually make a game.

Well, best o' luck.

Thanks, I'll need it.

The Cosmos don't like me.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Kansa on February 19, 2013, 05:24:54 pm
Definetly signing up for this
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 19, 2013, 05:25:18 pm
I want in. Where do I send my setting materials? And by when?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 05:29:22 pm
In light of not having anywhere to dump this info, I'll PM everyone who is interested playing my Email.

There is no set time to finish your setting materials, but I'd prefer people not to take longer then a week.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: postal83 on February 19, 2013, 05:29:46 pm
Not to be a dick, but shouldn't these threads be in the play with your buddies subforum?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Dutchling on February 19, 2013, 05:32:46 pm
Sign me up :D

edit: I am not going to play in the middle if the night though. So disregard my sign up if you are playing in the (American) evening / late afternoon.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 19, 2013, 05:34:30 pm
Dibs on character slot!

What media is being used to play, and what mic/cam settings?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 05:42:34 pm
I could use Roll20.

I cannot remember if it had speaking settings. If not I can include Skype for dialog. Though my heart will always be with typed games.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 19, 2013, 05:43:42 pm
Great thanks. I vote Sunday evening/night ( I'm gmt -5)
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 19, 2013, 05:45:34 pm
roll20.net comes equipped with webcam and mic interface, though my campaign is being done text-only.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Dutchling on February 19, 2013, 05:46:28 pm
Just to be clear: The latest I am willing to play is 1:00, at +1. So actually 0:00.

If that is still too early, don't feel bad for kicking me out of this :P
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 05:48:20 pm
I am in EST (GMT: -5) so translating times often takes me a bit.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Dutchling on February 19, 2013, 05:49:19 pm
I will go to bed if it is 19:00 (7 evening-m) for you.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 19, 2013, 05:50:45 pm
Good neonivek we are in the same time soon.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 05:54:36 pm
I will go to bed if it is 19:00 (7 evening-m) for you.

Yeah... so that rules things out.

Thanks for offering Dutchling.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Kansa on February 19, 2013, 05:57:18 pm
I'm GMT but I'm willing to stay up quite late
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 19, 2013, 06:04:55 pm
Also what rules on character creation?  Point-buy, starting gp, and trait limits?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 06:09:24 pm
Also what rules on character creation?  Point-buy, starting gp, and trait limits?

It will definately be a point buy. I'll make it 20 points

Starting GP, Levels, races available, classes available, and ect are determined by the world created.

As for traits apperantly you can have up to 2. So I will allow 2 traits for your character.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 19, 2013, 06:11:03 pm
How many players are you willing to let in your party?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 06:12:46 pm
5 is a good amount that I will be aiming for, but I'd prefer no more then 6.

I'd have no idea how to handle a 8 player game so I am aiming to stay away from that.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 19, 2013, 07:57:36 pm
As I said in the other thread, I'm definitely in. My gnome didn't get picked for GIH's game, but I probably won't re-use him since the setting will be different.

Now, to come up with an area...

As far as times, I'd be good with Friday, Saturday, or Sunday evenings. Possibly night. I'm on CST, so only an hour off from you, so we shouldn't have trouble with timing.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 19, 2013, 08:27:21 pm
Are we using any and all pathfinder books, or whats the score?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 19, 2013, 08:44:17 pm
Pathfinder has a much more controlled set of books, unlike 3.5 that has a lot of extra books, a lot of third-party books, and a lot of official books that people don't like because they don't mesh well.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/

Anything here that's not third party should be legit.  On individual pages, you can see a large image for "Pathfinder Compatible" or "Paizo Peripheral" or "Third Party" or "Fan-Made".  To me, anything Compatible or Peripheral is legal, with certain homebrew for things that look broken.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: guale on February 19, 2013, 10:42:09 pm
I would very much like to participate but the only time I would be able to regularly make on Sunday would be 8 pm CST (9 pm EST).
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 19, 2013, 11:19:05 pm
Hmmm a proper game goes on for at least 4 hours. At a 9pm starting that would mean the game would end at 1am, which is the latest I am ever willing to stay up for.

I was hoping for a 6-7pm starting time (EST) sunday. Yet if the players desire a later starting time, I am fine with that.

---

As an update to the setting so far I have one person's setting information. There is quite a lot in here in terms of setting info, but the meat of this will always be when I have at least two settings ready.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 19, 2013, 11:53:26 pm
I wrote quite a bit more than a paragraph, hopefully giving you something to build on. It's kinda stand-alone though, able to be linked to just about any setting. Not sure how viable it will be as a setting really, but it was entertaining to write :)
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 19, 2013, 11:58:29 pm
I am interested in joining up if the session is on sunday evening.
May have to drop out of the game if it goes past 1 am though.

I'm a foreign student, and we don't really have DnD back in my motherland.
What can I say, I fell in love with DnD :)

Though, I have to say, I am already part of GIH's campagin,
if someone else shows up, and wants to play, I will gladly drop out.

...Assuming that the party is currently not full.

Either way, I would like to contribute to your world.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 12:06:09 am
I prefer starting @ 7 or later EST. Might be hard for me to do if its before 6.

Sunday is the best day for Me.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 01:19:31 am
Gunpowder? None, Some, Alot?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Nistenf on February 20, 2013, 02:20:38 am
If this hasn't started and there's still room by the second week of march I'll definitely join :P
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 20, 2013, 02:31:55 am
If this hasn't started and there's still room by the second week of march I'll definitely join :P

It hasn't started, and I'd allow a late joiner as the 6th player. Though I still would need the setting information from you.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 20, 2013, 02:42:42 am
I am interested in joining up if the session is on sunday evening.
May have to drop out of the game if it goes past 1 am though.

I'm a foreign student, and we don't really have DnD back in my motherland.
What can I say, I fell in love with DnD :)

Though, I have to say, I am already part of GIH's campagin,
if someone else shows up, and wants to play, I will gladly drop out.

...Assuming that the party is currently not full.

Either way, I would like to contribute to your world.

Actually that... makes it the 6 players maximum if no one leaves.

Also 1 am was the absolute maximum and I do not enjoy going even close to 1am. The goal is to end sessions at 12am and not 1am.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Kansa on February 20, 2013, 03:09:28 am
If it's on sunday this will make it pretty hard for me to do as it would mean I would have to stay up till 5am on a day where I have university in the morning. 3am is probably the latest that I could stay up if it was on sunday so that would be around 10pm your time. Though I suppose if there was no other day we could do it on I could have a sleep earlier on in the day to make up for the sleep I would miss.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 02:47:33 pm
Well, my version of the lore sent. Tell me when everything is in place so that I can make my character. Thinking of making a magus.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 03:11:47 pm
Well, my version of the lore sent. Tell me when everything is in place so that I can make my character. Thinking of making a magus.

Heh, I was making a magus too. Funny :)
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 03:13:51 pm
I was likely to go with Wizard.  If we're doing 5-6 characters, that'll be the spellcasting component, easily.

NINJA: While late to the party and several posts back - LOL!
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 03:15:36 pm
Magus, Magus, Wizard.

Throw in an Alchemist, a Bard, and a Sorcerer and I think we're set.  ;D
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 03:16:48 pm
We don't need any trap-catchers or anything!  Bah!
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 20, 2013, 03:17:15 pm
I am waiting on one additional player, preferably 2 before I compile the world information.

Though I took people's patterns into account and if I ever try this again I know what changes to the instructions I'll need.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Kansa on February 20, 2013, 03:18:25 pm
I'm probably going to be making an Oracle for this
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 03:19:54 pm
Oh good god, the other party suffers from lack of spell casters and this party suffers from influx of potential !!Fun!!
We need to find a way to potentially mix up our party. xD
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Kansa on February 20, 2013, 03:21:04 pm
lol well at least I'm a divine spellcaster instead of an arcane one
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 03:25:37 pm
Oh good god, the other party suffers from lack of spell casters and this party suffers from influx of potential !!Fun!!
We need to find a way to potentially mix up our party. xD

Haha, I think a spellcaster heavy party should be fun. Having a rogue type for traps might be useful, though.

I'm probably going to be making an Oracle for this

That was my original plan, but I decided against it when I made up the setting I sent in.

Speaking of, how are the settings coming along? Are they all wildly out there and difficult to piece together, or will we have a fairly normal world? (at least as far as D&D is concerned)

Any comment on my crazy setting? As far as over the top settings go, how does it rank? See anything there you'd actually like to use as part of the adventure?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GlyphGryph on February 20, 2013, 03:28:54 pm
We don't need any trap-catchers or anything!  Bah!

Wizards make great trap catchers.

*summon monsters*
"Forward!"
*trap found. trap disarmed (monster killed)*
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 03:30:10 pm
I'm also curious about the world.  Most are overland forests and plains, but rarely dealing with exotic locations like seasides, caverns, or deserts.

Kinda reminds me, my character for local Pathfinder Society play is a Grapple Mistress in the heaviest armor, and has invested considerable skill into Swim.  Because so far we've been forests and dungeons, but I know one of these days...  There's a pit of water...  The ranger is gonna sink like a rock and my massive armor is just gonna dogpaddle over.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 20, 2013, 03:34:31 pm
The Crazyest setting I ever got, not for this, was a country entirely populated by powerful demons. With a royal family who stay in power due to a patrilineal artifact that gives the one holding it the powers of every previous owner who ever possessed it. I may even have it somewhere too.

Honestly the setting has been disapointingly simple to put together.

As for plot hooks, it seems like the state of the world is set in stone unless Kansa or someone else really changes things up.

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I'm also curious about the world.  Most are overland forests and plains, but rarely dealing with exotic locations like seasides, caverns, or deserts

Ohhh, it has something alright.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 03:39:30 pm
Big questions are simple - would I be better investing skill into Profession (Sailor) or into Handle Animal?  What's the general lay of the land as far as transportation, frequency of settlements, animal types, etc?  Don't want someone to roll a ranger only to realize the world has no giant spiders.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 03:40:19 pm
I did try to write up an entire continent across a vast ocean, but was running out of creativity and patience :/
May send another bit of my lore later.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on February 20, 2013, 03:43:19 pm
Big questions are simple - would I be better investing skill into Profession (Sailor) or into Handle Animal?  What's the general lay of the land as far as transportation, frequency of settlements, animal types, etc?  Don't want someone to roll a ranger only to realize the world has no giant spiders.

As of right now there are two continents but only one is accessible. Yet most of the world is heavily populated.

Anyhow it isn't about filling things in. That is one of the reasons why I don't let people consult eachother.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GlyphGryph on February 20, 2013, 04:22:00 pm
But creating a believable and good character at least requires matching the setting of the campaign. I think the question about whether there should be a Professio(Sailor) investment is a good one.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 04:22:57 pm
I believe the plan was to tell us about the setting once we actually have all the setting information submitted from everyone.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GlyphGryph on February 20, 2013, 04:32:41 pm
Which sounds great if you're playing a game about disparate people sucked into a foreign world against their will.

It makes no sense at all (and is a recipe for disaster) if you're playing a game involving people who are supposed to be from that setting.

So maybe it's the first one, and you guys get to be in for a real fun surprise. ;)
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 04:42:26 pm
I take it he's going to harvest location ideas, make a world, and THEN we make characters.  So leave some skill points or feats free, everyone designing their character, and be ready to shuffle them to whatever the world ends up being about.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 04:45:15 pm
I take it he's going to harvest location ideas, make a world, and THEN we make characters.  So leave some skill points or feats free, everyone designing their character, and be ready to shuffle them to whatever the world ends up being about.

Yea, that was what I meant. He tells us about the setting once he gets all the information in and actually makes the setting.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 05:04:26 pm
Realized the spells for magus class are extremely lame. I think I'll stick with archer sub class for fighters or a rogue :p
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 06:28:31 pm
I intend to make a Combat Rogue (Swashbuckler). So he will have some helpful rogueishness.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 06:31:31 pm
You lose trapfinding and trapsense instead. I would go with regular rogue, if I were you. The bonuses for swashbuckler are negligible.

Edit: I'm definately rolling an Archer (Fighter)
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 06:41:30 pm
Your advice is well founded, but I want to have a great sword, and thus the martial weapon proficiency is key. However, I suppose I could do the trait family heirloom and get at it that way.

I will take this into consideration. 
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 06:44:25 pm
You can also take Martial Weapon Proficiency as a feat at 1st level.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 06:48:15 pm
You can also take Martial Weapon Proficiency as a feat at 1st level.

Of course, but I'd rather not burn that feat if there is another way to sneak it in.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GlyphGryph on February 20, 2013, 06:49:02 pm
Great Sword Sneak Attack focus? :P
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 06:49:39 pm
Great Sword Sneak Attack focus? :P

Im new to pathfinder, is that a thing!? LoL!
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 06:52:13 pm
Sneak Attack activates any time the enemy is caught in a surprise round, you're invisible, or they otherwise have their dex denied (pinned by grappler, paralyzed, unconscious, etc).  It deals like 1d6 extra damage, or something.

With a greatsword, you'd essentially just be creeping up behind them and baseball-bat-swing into the gap between the breastplate ad the greaves for MASSIVE damage, and at flat-footed enemy's AC.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 06:53:35 pm
On a side note, think of it this way, what is more wasteful? Wasting a feat? or wasting 2 class abilities? :p

Think about that.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 06:54:38 pm
I think you're probably right, so I'll probably do it as an heirloom then.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 06:55:55 pm
Sneak Attack activates any time the enemy is caught in a surprise round, you're invisible, or they otherwise have their dex denied (pinned by grappler, paralyzed, unconscious, etc).  It deals like 1d6 extra damage, or something.

With a greatsword, you'd essentially just be creeping up behind them and baseball-bat-swing into the gap between the breastplate ad the greaves for MASSIVE damage, and at flat-footed enemy's AC.

Well said, and I think thats a good way to picture it - I was wondering though if there was some feat/ability called sneak attack focus? for greatswords?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 06:56:24 pm
I'm going as an archer-fighter, I can sunder / pin down enemies with bows and arrows, sacrificing armor proficiencies for it.
I pin them down, you 'sneak decapitate' them. Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 07:28:50 pm
I'm going as an archer-fighter, I can sunder / pin down enemies with bows and arrows, sacrificing armor proficiencies for it.
I pin them down, you 'sneak decapitate' them. Sounds like a plan.

Excellent Idea.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 07:38:46 pm
Sneak attack can't be triggered during a regular grapple.  When you are grappling an enemy, you have the option to Pin them, and once Pinned they have no dex.

Grappled enemies have -4 Dex and -2 Attack.
Pinned enemies have no Dex and -4 AC (on top of the anti-dex, which can drop their actual AC by 6 or more).
Sneak Attack works on Pinned enemies, but not Grappled.

There's all sorts of feats to help sneak attack, go to d20pfsrd, go to Combat Feats, and ctrl-f for "Sneak" and you can see plenty of feats.

If you're going to use Sneak Attack as your primary weapon, then work for a Small creature, as they get +4 to Stealth, and you're more likely to activate stealth so you can creep up and WHAM.  Although Small creatures also get a smaller class of weapons, so they don't do as much damage, but Sneak Attack itself isn't size-dependent, it'll do the same no matter your size.  Small creatures can also get -4 (or is it -2?) to equip a Medium One-Handed as a Small Two-Handed.  There's probably also decent weapon enchants for sneak attacks.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 08:30:00 pm
Realized the spells for magus class are extremely lame. I think I'll stick with archer sub class for fighters or a rogue :p

They are a bit meh, aren't they? The combat ability looks pretty good, though. It sounds like at level two you can effectively do a full attack, cast a spell, and make another single attack as part of that spell if it's touch. So you could cast shocking grasp, swing to hit with +3 if the target is wearing metal armor, then swing to hit again at a -2 penalty (or +1 with another chance at delivering the shocking grasp if you missed before and target has metal). Kinda like using rapid shot, except for a melee weapon and with added damage from the spell. Too bad none of the damaging cantrips are touch attacks.

Only downside is you have to worry about casting in combat. But I assume you could probably use the 5 foot step for stuff. Like one round you swing, step 5 feet back, then cast. Then another round you cast shocking grasp, step 5 foot in, then try to hit with it, then take your full attack.



As far as sneak attacks, can't you just flank with another melee char to get them in?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 08:45:26 pm
I think you're right about sneak attacks Paul. For traps all we really need is patience and a 10 foot pole. and/or henchmen.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 08:46:14 pm
or a rogue that can do its job.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 08:54:11 pm
or a rogue that can do its job.

I refuse to have my characters be type-casted! (which is probably why I mostly play GURPs) haha.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 08:57:25 pm
Kansa applied as a rogue on GIH's party, so I think it's safe to assume that he'll make another rogue character for this party.
Ugh, I may drop out of this game, but I'll see where this goes.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Kansa on February 20, 2013, 08:58:05 pm
I was actually going to make an oracle instead of a rogue this time
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 08:59:29 pm
Ugh, I may drop out of this game, but I'll see where this goes.

Are you concerned that I won't be rogue enough for you?
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 09:00:53 pm
Nope, I am more concerend about this party taking up too much time without me really fitting in,
It's what we do for leisure after all, right?
I really wanted to roll a spellcaster since i already have a cavalier somewhere else, and we already have 3 spellcasters :p
and a rogue.
Which means I am probably going to have to play another melee fighter.
Ugh.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 09:03:24 pm
The best parties are unbalanced.  Just roll up what you want to play, and play it to the best of your abilities.  Sure, it's nice when you can see all the traps and shoot at enemies from behind a shield wall, but isn't it so much more interesting when 5 paper-delicate wizards wander in to face the ogres?
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Post by: Kansa on February 20, 2013, 09:04:08 pm
Nope, I am more concerend about this party taking up too much time without me really fitting in,
It's what we do for leisure after all, right?
I really wanted to roll a spellcaster since i already have a cavalier somewhere else, and we already have 3 spellcasters :p
and a rogue.
Which means I am probably going to have to play another melee fighter.
Ugh.

I would go with what you want to go with instead of worrying about party balance, it is for fun after all and its more important for you to have a role you enjoy rather than us having the optimal build for fighting.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 09:05:15 pm
I'd rather have a poorly thought-out scream fest as we can't handle the single kobold that's come too close, than have an easy walk of barbarians and archers railing the dungeon.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 09:06:14 pm
Fine, I'll roll a swordlord or an archer.. or a spellcaster. If neonivek is fast enough to send us the world details no later than tomorrow.
If not, due to exams coming next week, I may have to skip the first session. :p
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 09:14:35 pm
I agree with all previous statements. However, if you really want a rogue, I will be the melee guy.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 09:19:15 pm
or we can both be rogues. Who cares? Let's have fun. and roleplaying.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 09:19:38 pm
Wat. I don't want a rogue. I considered it, but I am simply not a rogue material :S
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 09:40:09 pm
Oh - I misunderstood. Doing 100 things at once!

NEONIVEK I WANT THE SETTING MATERIAL SO I CAN DREAM UP AN AMAZING CHARACTER TO ROLE PLAY VICIOUSLY.
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Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 09:46:31 pm
Fine, I'll roll a swordlord or an archer.. or a spellcaster. If neonivek is fast enough to send us the world details no later than tomorrow.
If not, due to exams coming next week, I may have to skip the first session. :p

You can make a caster. Just go with what you want, we'll deal with it. Maybe a caster with some buffs, then you can beef up the rogue or the magus to be the front line warrior  ;)
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 20, 2013, 09:54:32 pm
Nope, not gonna make another buffer. Might just go back to being a magus, :p
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Post by: Paul on February 20, 2013, 11:01:26 pm
Having two of them wouldn't hurt anything. Go for it :)
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 20, 2013, 11:08:55 pm
I'm also a wizard, but being utility-focused I won't be a whole lot of good in combat.  By contrast, the Magus has poor utility and should be treated more as melee class than anything else.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 20, 2013, 11:18:01 pm
I think this is going to be a sick group of companions.

EDIT: Besides who wants to play for strick combat utility? If I wanted that I'd play Warhammer, where every unit type is merely a type and every unit has its purpose.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 12:00:54 am
Times like this I wish I had hex paper.

I do want to map out the world to some extent, at least the known world.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 12:04:50 am
Do you want help acquiring suitable hex template PDfs etc?
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 21, 2013, 12:05:45 am
www.lmgtfy.com/?q=hex+paper

roll20.net also allows Hex maps instead of Square.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 12:59:08 am
Well I think that is everyone. I thought more people would join but I guess their times don't coincide.

I'll start putting the information together.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 01:07:04 am
Awesome!!!! Do it!

EDIT: Sorry...drunk on rye again.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 01:08:34 am
Ohh Mich Rye the Dungeon Guy... *head shake*
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 09:19:27 pm
To speed things along I will say the creation rules. I am still putting things together (with a helping spoonful of procrastination) but I don't want people waiting too long.

-Level 1
-Classes: There are no class restrictions
-Races: All standard races: Goblins, Kobolds, Drow (Ignore allignment rules).
-Starting Gold: 100gp

Dieties:
-Nethys: Magic, Knowledge, Destruction
-Minor Dieties: Any domain except magic. Nethys has no competition. You may invent your own diety as there are as many as there are stars in the sky.

Important notes:
-The world is split into a surface and underground areas, both of equal size. While the surface world is mostly civilised with pockets of instability blocked off by powerful military regimes the underground world is mostly unknown with no one kingdom really knowing too much about the other with a lot of chaos.
-Humans are the overwhelming majority (99%) of the land surface and consider themselves supperior at best and have genocidal rage at worst. Keep that in mind when chosing your race.
-Dwarves, Goblins, Kobolds, Half-elves (the vast majority who are half-drow), and Drow make up the rest.
-While there is a coast the continent is covered in steep rocky cliffs. There are only two major ports in the entire continent so sea travel is difficult at best.
-The only other known continent is known as the "Orient" but due to a lack of trading routes and ports very few ships dock.
-Magic is rare outside of specific city centers of the world, who specifically employ them. As well the use of magic is strictly forbidden in many parts of the world as well.
-Elves only exist as a rare birth between two Half-elves and do not have their own culture.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 09:29:26 pm
The only other known continent is known as the "Orient" but due to a lack of trading routes and ports very few ships dock.

Is it known if human(oids) live there, and what if anything is known about them?
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 09:39:24 pm
Also, I cannot decide and would appreciate thoughts - fighting rogue or roguish fighter?

Neonivek, where would you like the character sheets sent/posted?

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Post by: Girlinhat on February 21, 2013, 09:42:10 pm
*Puts on her Dwarf Hat and prepares to descend.*

Interesting ploy with the lack of true elves...  The forbidance of magic will make certain areas tricky, diplomacy may be required.  And by "Diplomacy" I mean "Axes" of course.  I just hope this doesn't make spell acquisition difficult, as we have 3 casters with spellbooks, and need to be able to add new spells, granted we ARE getting like 6 per level, so we're decently equipped to spam out level-gain spells too.

It sounds like Acrobatics and Climb will be more useful than Profession (Sailor), especially if there's a large under-world then there's all SORTS of potential for bottomless cracks and sheer cave walls.

Exactly -how- rocky are areas?  Packed rock, goat-country, wagon-prohibitive, 'better try and saddle a giant goat', or 'the only way to get anywhere is ropes and hooks'?  In other words, should I worry about bringing a wagon or is the terrain too difficult?

NINJA: Michel - rogue, more than likely.  The Magus will provide plenty of melee superiority.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 09:52:24 pm
I have a pretty unique cad build going. But I also have a good rogue built. Both can fight and do rogue things. In my mind they are two sides of the same coin, it just depends what aspect of the character (in the RP sense)  I want to emphasize.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 09:55:15 pm
Specifically the continent is surrounded by steep cliffs that makes access to the sea nearly impossible.

Spells are available, in fact there is a major magic school and a god of magic, but you won't be able to go just anywhere and get your hands on magic. Meaning that trips to major cities and capitals are required. There is just one section of the world where magic is not only banned but where using it is incredibly dangerous.

Also while there are a lot of rocky areas, roads to just about every destination in the world exists.

You can email/PM me your sheet, (I need to send a few more people my email but I cannot remember who I didn't send it to) I have no issue with it in writing.

Which come to think of it I should make a pantheon. Yet the game seems to already imply that this is a monothiestic world.

The only Diety is Nythis
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 21, 2013, 09:58:28 pm
TO THE DWARF MOBILE!

...what do you mean a wagon coated in metal doesn't count as a dwarf-mobile?

...well, maybe.  Needs more alchemical engines.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 10:05:40 pm
I'll need to look at the info I got extra hard to derive more dieties. As I doubt people want only one available.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 10:07:00 pm
Are we expecting a more or less combat  focused game?
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 10:10:27 pm
Are we expecting a more or less combat  focused game?

I'd personally would let the players decide that, however I wouldn't bank on the game ever staying combat lite too long. Given the setting.

There I have Nethys down.

The Night sky is magic in this setting. While each star represents a different fragment of destiny and power, the black upon which they all perch is Nethys.

Hense why Nethys is often refered to as the Black Curtain.

The only diety who can dirrectly interfere with worldly events without a conduit is Nethys. Any diety who sets foot inside this world is turned to stone and plummets.
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Post by: Paul on February 21, 2013, 10:32:04 pm
What attribute pool are we using? 20 points?

And you haven't sent me your email yet.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 21, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
20 point-buy and 100 starting gp was stated before, somewhere.
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Post by: Paul on February 21, 2013, 10:45:52 pm
Ah, I see he mentioned it on the first page. Missed that.

Already saw the 100gp. That's a tight budget, won't be able to get very good armor :D Just a chain shirt by itself costs that much, guess I'll have to get studded.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 21, 2013, 10:47:19 pm
Future gear can come cheaper, I'll be investing heavily into crafting.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 10:49:05 pm
Good. I have no armor. Just a giant sword.

My character is part aspiring duelist, part second story man, and part thug.
I went with Cad Fyi(s)

Don't worry though - he is skilled in disable device, stealth, bluff, and acrobatics.
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Post by: Paul on February 21, 2013, 10:51:49 pm
Ah, so you decided to go fighter?
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 10:54:15 pm
Yes, but I think it is an interesting blend and can help fulfill several rogue-like niches.
I was striving for a very unique character, and I'm very impressed with the ways that pathfinder (as opposed to what I am used to (3/3.5E)) lets you manipulate the system to irk out what you want.

Have I let you down by going more fighter?
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 21, 2013, 10:54:53 pm
I am fighter-archer. Welcome aboard the figher-ship.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 10:58:46 pm
Girlinhat thanks for the awesome new sig.

My character is in your face dirty giant sword fighting, so I wont be stepping on archer toes.

EDIT: Also, judging by the the setting described so far, this looks like it is a very nasty, brutish, and hostile world. So more combat ability could never hurt!
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 11:02:59 pm
I am used to 3.5 so I thought 100 gold was being generous for level 1.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 21, 2013, 11:05:40 pm
Average gp for casters is 75~125 from what I'm seeing on source material.

average for melee fighters is 150~175. We have specific dice rolls to determine starting gp, should we use it? or are we just going to have a universal pool?
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 21, 2013, 11:18:44 pm
Well, he said universal 100gp.  I suppose that's what we're using.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 11:23:18 pm
We'll just have to kill....unfortunates....and take their stuff. Or take their money and use it to buy stuff.
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Post by: Paul on February 21, 2013, 11:23:53 pm
Guess the class based GP thing is to account for the expensive armor/weapon needs of the fighter types.

I pity the poor archer. Longbow (composite) = 100gp. Arrows? Armor? Backpack? Who needs em, whack your enemies to death with your bow in melee and make a backpack from their skins and arrows from their bones. Oh, and rations from their tasty flesh.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 21, 2013, 11:25:08 pm
100gp is okay for spellcasters, for an archer?
...no.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 11:27:15 pm
Perhaps we'll all be gifted basic adventuring goods (backpack / arrows / +5 large greatsword / arrows ) by the DM outside of the $100
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Post by: Paul on February 21, 2013, 11:33:07 pm
We could just start with the average by class. That way no special dice rolling need be done for char creation, and each class will get money based on their needs. The archer can get 175g so that he can afford a bow and some arrows. The magus would be able to afford a fancy chain shirt. And the spellcaster would be able to complain that the rest of us gipped them out of 30gp by complaining about the 100gp starting gold.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 21, 2013, 11:35:31 pm
200 gold start is fine with me if it is too small for some classes.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 21, 2013, 11:37:26 pm
200GP. I will bring 10 barrels full of beer. Expect liver failures.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 21, 2013, 11:40:34 pm
I knew I liked you doom onion.

Neonivek, I will be adding a chain shirt to my character then, if you want an updated sheet let me know.
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Post by: Paul on February 21, 2013, 11:58:23 pm
With my newfound wealth, I shall purchase ten combat trained mongooses. I will carry them in an adventurer's sash and release them upon my enemies. I will name all of them Boo.

Go for the eyes!
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 12:12:59 am
I can imagine how that works.  A goblin pops out of the bushes and shouts 'ooga booga'.  You promptly scream, turn, fall, and scramble along the ground as your backpack explodes with mongooses just sort of dropping out to the sides.

Do we have anyone with Charisma yet?  For that matter, who's in the party?
Myself, a dwarven crafting wizard
Onion, a human ranged fighter
Michel doing something
Paul doing something
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 12:16:23 am
I'm a human, dirty fighter with a giant sword, capable at disabling devices, being acrobatic, being stealthly, climbing, and passable (not good) at bluffing.
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Post by: Paul on February 22, 2013, 12:18:48 am
I'm doing a magus with lots of book learning. Not so much in the social skills.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 22, 2013, 12:20:57 am
As a matter of fact, I have negative charisma. But due to my traits, I get +1 bonus to bluff and diplomacy against creatures that can be sexually attracted to me.
Damn, I am good looking.

yes, we need a party leader.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 12:21:59 am
I vote that we vote for the least charismatic to be party leader - so you Onion?
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 12:36:17 am
I'm a dwarven smith, that'd probably be me.  7 charisma at -2, could actually drop lower thanks to racial trait!  Charisma of 5 nets me -3, if I felt like totally bottoming out.

Do we know each other before the campaign starts?  If myself and Paul both have spellbooks, are we assumed to have already shared spells, or do we still need to do that afterwards?

I'm also looking into the logistics of frosted barrels.  Namely, how to enchant the barrel to keep the beer cool at all times.  After that it's just a matter of hashing together a Decanter of Infinite Water (infinite water) and Enhance Water (water to booze) and we'll have infinite booze.

Also, what's the DM's judgement on a mobile forge?  I can buy an anvil, bellows, hammer/artisan tools, a barrel/bucket for water...  Would that suffice to repair items?  I assume that to make new items I'd need to get coal and bricks to make a proper forge and get the metal hot.  At what point would we shift from "Not workable." to "You get 1/4 rate for crafting while adventuring." to "You have a fuckin' mobile forge!"?  Granted that my skills are into armor and weapon craft, primarily.
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Post by: Kansa on February 22, 2013, 05:48:21 am
The world sounds very interesting and should be fun to play in and as an Oracle's main stat is charisma I will have quite a lot of it
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 09:12:33 am
The world sounds very interesting and should be fun to play in and as an Oracle's main stat is charisma I will have quite a lot of it
Face!
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 03:03:01 pm
Kansa what mystery you going with
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Post by: Kansa on February 22, 2013, 03:03:39 pm
Probably the Spellscar mystery so random magical effects abound
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 03:09:02 pm
Double post... But that sounds cool. Excited to get started I think this is going to be awesome
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 03:41:13 pm
Quote
Also, what's the DM's judgement on a mobile forge?  I can buy an anvil, bellows, hammer/artisan tools, a barrel/bucket for water...  Would that suffice to repair items?  I assume that to make new items I'd need to get coal and bricks to make a proper forge and get the metal hot.  At what point would we shift from "Not workable." to "You get 1/4 rate for crafting while adventuring." to "You have a fuckin' mobile forge!"?  Granted that my skills are into armor and weapon craft, primarily

The question is less could you have a mobile forge and more if you could have a mobile forge that does everything you want it to. (which the answer is no unless it was really impressive or magical which is far outside your current budget.).
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 05:27:25 pm
Will you be giving us more info on the setting ?

Will we know  each other at start?
Do we know where we will (collectively or individually) be starting?
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 05:33:37 pm
Yeah I've bolted myself to my seat and am now compiling the information earnestly. So if anyone has any little tidbits they forgot and want to add, now is pretty much your last chance.

---

As for where you will be starting, there are two logical starting locations, however the most neutral one is the Dwarven Borehole.

It is essentially a inverted Spire and city controlled somewhat by the Dwarves that connects the surface world to the underground.

Though the Grotten Influence, the rulers of the world, weighs heavily there.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 05:35:26 pm
Thing about a porta-forge is that you'd need something to heat metals, would you not?

Hammering cold metal doesn't really work, and a regular fire, even with bellows, probably wouldn't quite cut it.
Yeah, that's what I've been fussing over.  I think a large fireforged steel cube would be the only real option, and coal and/or magical fire.  Maybe a Mithril forge instead...  Up to DM say, overall though.  I know it's beyond my current capabilities, but I'm thinking ahead as well.

NINJA:  Oh!  I made the borehole :D  Essentially think 'open face diamond mine' design, except really deep.  Just strip-mined straight down to the good ore.  Citizens naturally started digging into the sides of the hole and a large city founded.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 05:41:49 pm
The only surface nations that survived both the Nethys Culling and the March of Grotten are ones who have very powerful defenses.

In the Borehole's case it is extremely defensive being completely below the surface with an large army for its size. Dakama is a near unlivable wasteland with large magical walls and demons wandering the desert countryside making it an extremely unattractive prospect. While East March is carved into a cliff face.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 05:44:35 pm
You realize this is Bay12, so if we start in the Borehole, we're just not leaving the underground.  The entire campaign will be cave crawls.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 22, 2013, 05:48:00 pm
I'm finalizing my equipments, I'll send you the details possibly tomorrow.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 05:49:34 pm
You realize this is Bay12, so if we start in the Borehole, we're just not leaving the underground.  The entire campaign will be cave crawls.

So you want me to start you off in East March?

Also embarassingly enough I missed a diety. Luckly there are no clerics.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 05:52:38 pm
I'm just sayin', if you want us to have surface ventures we're gonna need to start up there, or you're gonna have to get creative and force us up.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 22, 2013, 05:56:35 pm
Oh ho ho, east march isn't any better than bore hole, I warn you. In fact, expect lots of crimes down there.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 06:11:37 pm
Oh ho ho, east march isn't any better than bore hole, I warn you. In fact, expect lots of crimes down there.

I like how if you seperate the words... it turns into "Bore" and "Hole".

What I have so far

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As you can tell I have a lot of work to do.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 06:14:11 pm
I think you are doing a great job.

What is the mark of Nethys?

I love reading about the setting as I start to dream up my backstory.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 06:15:39 pm
When I started my campaign I had a half an idea.  Worlds evolve as you progress through them.  Being a DM of a custom campaign is no different from being an author, and no author has their setting 100% laid out when they start writing it up.  Except maybe Tolkien...  But I think we can all agree how very dry his books are.  Epic, certainly, but the style is simply dry.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 06:32:47 pm
Tolkien has what people call "Setting Porn"

This setting isn't complete though. There is plenty of room for more.

Heck the underground is almost completely unexplored to the extent that even the Boredom hole doesn't know all the nations it connects to.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 07:14:52 pm
haha boredom hole. Sounds like an ex-girlfriend of mine.
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Post by: Paul on February 22, 2013, 07:16:01 pm
Huh. I just happened to pick Dwarven as one of my char's languages, too. That'll be convenient if we start in dwarfland.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 07:16:51 pm
Yeah, I did that as well. Awesome for us all.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 07:31:55 pm
I am a dwarf!  Also got like 18 int, so I can pick 4 more languages.  "Undercommon" is probably a good choice.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 07:48:01 pm
I haven't chosen my last bonus language. That may be wise.
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Post by: Paul on February 22, 2013, 07:52:03 pm
I already submitted my char before learning of the starting area, but had already picked Undercommon and Dwarven. Actually I had already picked those languages for the char before I even learned of the setting at all, haha. I just swapped out Elven for something else after learning that elves as a culture no longer exist ;D
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 22, 2013, 07:57:12 pm
Then again, Elven may allow you to read exotic ruins...  Or I can cast Comprehend Language and read EVERYTHING.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 08:01:45 pm
Got quite a bit done including a timeline.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I should state that 0 is just when the continent was created.

Whatcha think about the timeline? I still have to fill it in and fill in the important locations.
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Post by: Kansa on February 22, 2013, 08:12:29 pm
It all looks awesome to me so far
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 22, 2013, 08:21:13 pm
'5273: East Marsh'

Pretty sure this needs fixing :p
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 08:24:55 pm
'5273: East Marsh'

Pretty sure this needs fixing :p

Fixed and remembered what I was supposed to add in there. A Plague in East March.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 08:30:28 pm
I think it's great. Keep up the good work. Let us know if you need any help/details.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 08:34:18 pm
Does it give an idea of the events that took place in the world?
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 08:35:47 pm
I think we need a little more details on the taming of lands, the great disaster, and the orient. but other than that yes.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 08:47:38 pm
I think we need a little more details on the taming of lands, the great disaster, and the orient. but other than that yes.

The Taming of the lands is just me trying to say that Grotten killed monsters and lesser races to establish the kingdom. Something in a world filled with monsters is a bit more difficult to do.

The Great Disaster is when the nation of Nethys, a nation named after its diety, attempted to usurp the power of their god and were punished for it releasing many magical disasters and plagues that can still be seen and experienced today.

Also I should state that the Sky is actually solid. If you somehow had the ability to fly high enough you could touch it. Yet there is no known ability to venture beyond it.

The Orient is unknown, they send traders and have technology and wealth that seemingly outstrip everyone in the land of Nethys.

Also if you want me to rename things I will. Since "The Land of Nethys" the "Nation of Nethys" and "Nethys the god of magic" maybe confusing. I know that the planet is named after the god of earth.
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 22, 2013, 08:51:16 pm
If the elven culture is gone, can we have the Orient's language in place of elven?
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 22, 2013, 08:54:17 pm
The Orient is unknown, they send traders and have technology and wealth that seemingly outstrip everyone in the land of Nethys.

To the extent that the reasonably well informed of our continent would know -are the orient people reinassiance like? colonial era like? industrial? steam punk? What can we know?
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Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 09:47:04 pm
Written up the world history... that took a while.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


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To the extent that the reasonably well informed of our continent would know -are the orient people reinassiance like? colonial era like? industrial? steam punk? What can we know?

They have Post-Medieval technology. Not much is known about them because they don't have strong ties with anyone and their trading with East March is brisk at best.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 24, 2013, 12:00:55 am
Whats next on our agenda?
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Post by: DoomOnion on February 24, 2013, 12:03:58 am
Also, I may not be able to join the first session guys. The current session is... very time and stamina consuming.
I'll join up next week!
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Post by: Kansa on February 24, 2013, 08:37:23 am
Are we having a session tonight or are we going to have the first one next week?
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Post by: Neonivek on February 24, 2013, 10:28:39 am
Next week is a good idea, though very hectic on my schedual due to two very close tests, as it allows me more time to construct a scenario and allows everyone to be there.
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Post by: Kansa on February 24, 2013, 10:41:47 am
Ok sounds good to me
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 24, 2013, 10:44:17 am
We had like a 7 hour game last night, so Onion is apparently tired.  What a wuss.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 24, 2013, 10:47:14 am
We had like a 7 hour game last night, so Onion is apparently tired.  What a wuss.

How many people died?
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 24, 2013, 10:49:48 am
Leatra dropped to -4, but failed to die, despite being mauled by a magical dire badger.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 24, 2013, 10:50:30 am
Dang I wish Pathfinder had loot generation.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 24, 2013, 10:57:12 am
http://pathfinder.zonegamma.com/

Works decently.  A big idea is to just make the loot arbitrarily expensive.  "It's a masterwork shortsword, but the ruby embedded in the pommel makes it worth about 500g."
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Post by: Neonivek on February 24, 2013, 04:14:39 pm
Sometimes a really funny things to do against the players is to have very expencive objects that require special tools and holding cases to transport (Paintings for example) or that are extremely heavy such as a Stone statue.

Wait... I am a DM... so I shouldn't be telling my own players of the wicked ways I like to pass things over them.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 24, 2013, 05:03:43 pm
Sure would be a shame if one of us brought a cart and were able to transport these things...
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Post by: Neonivek on February 24, 2013, 05:05:53 pm
Sure would be a shame if one of us brought a cart and were able to transport these things...

Sure will be helpful... In the Borehole... a large building like structure :P
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 24, 2013, 05:06:41 pm
And if any place would have statues to loot, it WOULD be the dwarves with excess stone...
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Post by: Neonivek on February 24, 2013, 05:10:49 pm
Honestly Treasure in dungeons and dragons tends to be in the "Easily carried" variety.

No vases, tables, chairs, curtains, Large Silver mirrors.

Could you imagine a Silk Couch in a dungeon? "Ok, you hold one end, I'll hold the other. Perhaps we can get through this doorway"
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 24, 2013, 05:11:10 pm
It sure would be a shame if one of us ate all of the statues.
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Post by: Lorgath on February 25, 2013, 05:53:25 pm
Neonivek has very kindly allowed me to join. What is everyone playing, out of interest? I was considering being a sorcerer of some description, but I'm willing to play something else if needs be.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 25, 2013, 05:54:41 pm
We've got a crafting-oriented wizard, an archer, and a magus, I think another doing something too...
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Post by: Kansa on February 25, 2013, 06:02:48 pm
I'm playing an oracle
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Post by: Paul on February 25, 2013, 06:31:05 pm
Wizard, Magus, Oracle, Archer, and a Cad (Archer and Cad both being fighter archetypes).
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 25, 2013, 06:35:29 pm
Paul is correct.

So you should play....

whatever makes you happy.

Or a cleric.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 25, 2013, 06:45:12 pm
So it's a party of 6 then?
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Post by: Lorgath on February 25, 2013, 06:47:38 pm
Interesting group! I have never played Pathfinder, though I have dabbled with 3.5. I'm buying myself a copy of the rulebook later this week, but I'm also flicking through the wiki thing to figure a few bits out. So what are archetypes, exactly?

Or a cleric.

Isn't an Oracle rather similar to a cleric? Just wondering.

Anyway. I'll probably be either a summony sorcerer (summon monster I is highly amusing: celestial dolphins!?) or some sort of scummy rogue.
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Post by: Kansa on February 25, 2013, 06:48:22 pm
Oracle is to a cleric what a sorcerer is to a wizard 
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 25, 2013, 06:54:07 pm
Archetypes are like sub-classes, or more specialized variant of the base class. Usually trading some of the default class abilities for different abilities.

The Cad is based off the fighter, loses some fighter abilities but gains some rogue skills + some dirty fighting special abilities.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 06:56:13 pm
One of the largest problems with starting this campaign will be if I do give you free reign of the first session and let you guys do what you want.

I think perchance I should take more firm control.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 25, 2013, 07:00:12 pm
Are we all going to wake up in a dungeon with no idea of how we got there!?
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Post by: Lorgath on February 25, 2013, 07:09:36 pm
Cheers, GMichelIV. Erm, so what are Traits then? Ohgodthisissoconfusing.

Are we all going to wake up in a dungeon with no idea of how we got there!?

I've used that start a couple of times before. Once was an amnesiac sci-fi game where it turned out everyone was a fresh clone in some arcology on Titan. The other was the start of an ill fated fantasy campaign where everyone was from a galactic star empire (powered by magic) that got conquered by orcs - they had dived through a portal to escape. They ended up in 14th century Europe, I believe.


Also, Neonivek: I'm sure things will work out. The best games I've ever been in have been made up as the GM went along.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 25, 2013, 07:38:19 pm
Traits are mostly like your upbringing or parentage.  Like if you lived on the coast growing up, you might take Born to Water, for a free +1 to swim.

Feats are similar, but primarily 'trained' types of traits, things that you pick up and specialize on your own time.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 08:03:46 pm
Obviously some traits don't work but I had to compile most of the setting info in a week so asking me to do a full set of traits unique to this setting would have been extreme.

HECK I was originally going to make a new race called the "Molemen" and just about finish them until I read someone's story closer and noticed that [Dwarf-like race] meant... someone elses place with dwarves. It somehow felt cheaty.

If you want to use a trait that doesn't fit anymore but could make sense just PM me with it.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 25, 2013, 08:14:17 pm
There is actually a race of lower dwarves already.  The Duergar (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/uncommon-races/arg-duergar) could be slightly reskinned with fur and claws, or something.
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Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 09:56:11 pm
There is actually a race of lower dwarves already.  The Duergar (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/uncommon-races/arg-duergar) could be slightly reskinned with fur and claws, or something.

Oh I had the molemen stated and then I scrapped them when I realised that it wasn't a reference to a unspecified race but one "another" player was using.

A sort of a net term.

Like if someone wrote: "The Goldmen Paradise Faction were peaceful until [insert other players faction] invaded and slaughtered them"

Shame too, but I am not complaining. There wasn't an adjustment for having claws and fangs but honestly I don't consider them an "advantage" for a race.
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Post by: GMichelIV on February 25, 2013, 10:49:32 pm
Sorry for the ambiguity! I hope I didn't ruin plans, feel free to do whatever you want with my material, I don't care lol
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 26, 2013, 04:31:09 am
Claws add a natural attack.  But then they can prevent gauntlets or holding weapons.  So depends how you play it!
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Post by: Neonivek on February 26, 2013, 05:22:05 am
Claws add a natural attack.  But then they can prevent gauntlets or holding weapons.  So depends how you play it!

All which adding a natural attack does is it means you don't have to buy a near useless feat that no one buys (which its only use IMO, is that mages can threaten)

As well I wouldn't prevent it from allowing either of those unless it is specific. Yet the game rarely, if ever, specifies if you can wear armor or not due to a creature having odd dimensions.
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 26, 2013, 05:36:32 am
For catfolk claws, it'd be fine, for mole-like large, fixed claws, then I'd probably restrict gauntlets.

Don't doubt your natural attacks though.  A catfolk can take a racial trait for 2 claws of 1d4 each.  Depending on the character, that can be as much as 2d4+4 on a decent attack - 10-26 damage for a strong catfolk, well, that's pretty decent.  That's also open-handed, leaving availability for grapple or disarm moves as well.

In the campaign I'm DM'ing, the kobold's summoned eidolon had 3 natural attacks, and a full round attack would rip apart enemies.
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Post by: Kansa on February 27, 2013, 03:18:23 pm
Just wondering Neonivek do you want us to send you a background for our characters?
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Post by: Neonivek on February 27, 2013, 04:44:38 pm
Just wondering Neonivek do you want us to send you a background for our characters?

Would be nice. I suspect I gave enough setting info to do a halfway decent job on it.

Also remember that I have nothing wrong with Custom content you just have to pass it by me.
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Post by: GMichelIV on March 01, 2013, 07:45:24 am
I DEMAND BLOOD.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 01, 2013, 12:34:24 pm
Blood is hardly custom it is build quite handily in the game already.
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Post by: GMichelIV on March 02, 2013, 12:31:54 pm
Will we be playing tomorrow, and if so, through which medium?
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Post by: Kansa on March 02, 2013, 02:20:28 pm
I'm up for playing tomorrow
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Post by: Lorgath on March 02, 2013, 03:53:13 pm
Me three.

Am I right in thinking skill feats are a total waste of space?
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Post by: Neonivek on March 02, 2013, 04:50:40 pm
Roll20 is my hope. Though I don't have any maps to put down.
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Post by: GMichelIV on March 02, 2013, 05:21:58 pm
Cool. Thats why we have imaginations and you have words.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 02, 2013, 06:18:21 pm
I'd hope we would BOTH have imagination...
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Post by: Kansa on March 03, 2013, 08:28:22 am
So we are doing this tonight at 7 EST right?
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Post by: Neonivek on March 03, 2013, 10:25:54 am
So we are doing this tonight at 7 EST right?

Right
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Post by: DoomOnion on March 03, 2013, 01:02:58 pm
Can we use piecemeal armor system? or is it just the orthodox system?
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Post by: Neonivek on March 03, 2013, 02:34:57 pm
Can we use piecemeal armor system? or is it just the orthodox system?

Given I don't make much use of called shots, I am going to vote no.
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Post by: Girlinhat on March 03, 2013, 03:02:39 pm
Piecemeal is totally unrelated to Called Shots.

Piecemeal just lets you pick your arms, legs, and body, and compile them into one suit of armor - all regular armor is actually piecemeal that's already been compiled.  But this allows you to mix and match, and to upgrade more cheaply.  For instance, a Breastplate is 200, while Full Plate is 1,500.  However, a Breastplate in piecemeal is Plate Body with no arms and legs.  If you wanted to straight change, then you sell your breastplate for 100 and buy plate for 1,500 - you spend 1,400.  However, with piecemeal you already have the chest piece, so you just buy the arms and legs.  375 for arms, 925 for legs, 200 for chest/head.  That sums up to 1,500 - full plate price.  However you already own the chest, so you only buy the arms and legs for 1,300, saving you 100 over a straight purchase.

The biggest purpose of piecemeal is to let you upgrade slowly, I think.  If you've got studded leather, and want to upgrade towards full plate, then you can wear studded leather chest and arms, and full plate legs.  Then next time, you wear studded leather chest, and full plate arms and legs.  Then you finish your set.

Called shots are totally unrelated to Piecemeal.  Piecemeal still has 100% identical AC as normal.  Nothing changes except how you wear your armor, in combat it's identical, and characters can still purchase whole sets if they want.  Called shots do NOT work off the limb's AC.  Called shots work off the whole body's AC, because you only ever have 1 AC score.

Vanilla:
AC = 10 + Armor + Shield + Dex + Magic + Size

Piecemeal:
AC = 10 +  Chest + Arms + Legs + Shield + Dex + Magic + Size

Called Shots still work off your total AC.  Every attack only counts your total AC, your flatfooted, or your touch.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 03, 2013, 03:41:27 pm
And how does magic work in this case?
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Post by: Girlinhat on March 03, 2013, 03:45:37 pm
...what do you mean?  Magic isn't changed at all with piecemeal or called shots.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 03, 2013, 03:58:38 pm
...what do you mean?  Magic isn't changed at all with piecemeal or called shots.

Then it is broken.

It obviously has different rules for magical armor enhancement.
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Post by: Girlinhat on March 03, 2013, 04:11:17 pm
Oh, for enchants.  Yeah you didn't specify.  I figured you were talking about casting spells...

For enchanting armor, the 'biggest' piece of equipment, or the set, counts.  That's legs -> arms -> chest in terms of what counts.  So if you have enchanted legs but your chestpiece is normal, it doesn't count.

I think the way most DMs handle it, would be the 'whole set' rule.  When you get enchanted armor, it counts for that set of armor.  If you enchant a breastplate, and then add leggings, it breaks the set and the enchantment stops.  If you're wearing plate arms, plate chest, and chain legs, then you upgrade to plate legs, you've broken the set of armor.  You could also allow partial enchants, for 1/2 or 1/3 cost to enchant a specific piece with an incomplete magic, and then later they could pay for the remaining enchants on the other pieces to activate the enchant, but that's a little iffy.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 03, 2013, 05:26:32 pm
Taken down.
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Post by: Girlinhat on March 03, 2013, 05:35:15 pm
Might want to remove that link ASAP.  Better to send private messages.

Also if you'll come in and set up blank characters for us to edit, we can start popping in details.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 03, 2013, 05:55:43 pm
Ok link removed, I ask that anyone who hasn't got the link to the game's location to PM me ASAP.
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Post by: Lorgath on March 04, 2013, 04:35:32 am
That was good fun everyone, thanks.
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Post by: Kansa on March 04, 2013, 04:59:37 am
Yeah I really enjoyed our first session
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Post by: DoomOnion on March 04, 2013, 12:57:36 pm
It was fun. I like how Neo prepared the combat map and let us interact with it before the start of the combat, it opens up a whole new possibility.

Rogues and acrobatics could climb up buildings and ledges to make it to the rooftop before combat, and whatnot, it's awesome.
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Post by: GMichelIV on March 08, 2013, 07:19:49 pm
I resign.

I didn't realize how much I needed sunday nights to get things done.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Enjoy the game, and do whatever with Dietrich whatever you wish. Just remember he was a bad-ass mofo.
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Post by: DoomOnion on March 08, 2013, 07:20:52 pm
I resign.

I didn't realize how much I needed sunday nights to get things done.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Enjoy the game, and do whatever with Dietrich whatever you wish. Just remember he was a bad-ass mofo.
Aw god dammit, he was my favorite character, you suck.
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Post by: Kansa on March 08, 2013, 07:22:57 pm
I resign.

I didn't realize how much I needed sunday nights to get things done.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Enjoy the game, and do whatever with Dietrich whatever you wish. Just remember he was a bad-ass mofo.

I'm sad that you are leaving but no need to say sorry real life always comes first
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Post by: Lorgath on March 08, 2013, 10:09:11 pm
Damn! But Dietrich, dearest of all my friends, think of the pilfering opportunities you shall miss out on!

Oh well, enjoyed playing with you.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 08, 2013, 11:24:12 pm
Well, I'd rather you do what is right for you then to sacrifice yourself for my sake.

Best of luck to you.

What I'll do with your character is have you become a High Commander.
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Post by: GMichelIV on March 09, 2013, 12:40:46 pm
Thank you all ! It was fun I wish it could work out better for me.
Finishing my last semester of law school, so it's really shoulder to the wheel time.

I look forward to seeing /hearing / reading what happens in the game.
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Post by: Neonivek on March 10, 2013, 06:13:09 pm
I didn't think I'd have an issue but is everyone aware of Daylights savings?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Paul on March 10, 2013, 08:41:26 pm
Hey, I'm sorry. I got busy today and didn't make it. Don't really have time at the moment to join in late either, and I need to get up early in the morning so can't stay up anyway. I should be able to make it other weeks, but if it becomes an issue I will drop out. Sorry again.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on March 10, 2013, 10:13:31 pm
Interestingly enough due to a Wagon Malfuction your character fell down a 20 foot pit, so you will have to be told what exactly happened to you Paul.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Lorgath on March 11, 2013, 09:25:04 pm
Comrade Neonivek, is there any chance you could update the first post with the current players and such-like please?

Aaaalso, I believe you mentioned something about putting some setting/campaign details up somewhere. Where will you be putting them, here or the roll20 place?
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on March 12, 2013, 01:06:17 am
The details are in this thread but I am putting some in Rolld20 but I havn't finished the write up and my current work load has me hectic.

Also sure, I'll edit the players who are still in the game.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM!
Post by: Neonivek on March 13, 2013, 07:44:26 pm
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Remember, it's what we do for fun

This is sort of what made me decide to do what I am about to do. It perfectly encapsulates the problem with this game.

Overall the one thing I would love to do is continue the game and indeed I had fun planning and running the game and I am sure at times you have as well. Yet I think after two sessions I have a feeling that what was expected of me was that I wanted to bring to the game was my own malicious enjoyment and not any sort of enjoyment I could bring to my players.

Suffice it to say, the players arn't having fun. They feel victimised, confused, and tools for my pleasure rather then triumphant, intergrated, and enjoying themselves.

While I appologise deeply to the players who have no issue with how the game is currently being run, I do not believe that things would improve ten, twenty, or thirty games down the line and I do not want to waste five hours of your week on something that is going to be unfruitful.

I am not going to make anymore excuses. I can't do it, I cannot provide you with the game you need. So I hope you find another one.

Thank you for all your hard work.

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I will later post the complete plotline for those interested. I had not completed the Player plotlines yet (player centric plots) so those won't be included.

Once I do, I will lock the topic.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM! (ENDED)
Post by: Kansa on March 13, 2013, 07:50:29 pm
I was really having fun though, I know I'm not likely to change your mind on this but I would ask you to please reconsider
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM! (ENDED)
Post by: Lorgath on March 13, 2013, 07:55:56 pm
I was really having fun though, I know I'm not likely to change your mind on this but I would ask you to please reconsider

You're not the only one Kansa! I too was thoroughly enjoying myself. I'd love to see more of the world we've all created and have more adventures in it.
Title: Re: Pathfinder (Dungeons and dragons) Neonivek is your DM! (ENDED)
Post by: Neonivek on March 13, 2013, 08:15:26 pm
I enjoyed it as well and I miss it already even though it has only been an hour.

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Plot:

Plotline 1: The Continent of Nyssys was on the verge of collapse as Grotten continued vying for total control as their own population and resources were dwindling.

Plotline 2: The New Emperor is in fact part of the original Emperor bloodline having been birthed by two half-elves. This bloodline containing so much power that he is the master of every weapon Grotten has ever had (this would include a sword but not a gun).

Plotline 3: The god of magic is in fact the protector of the world which turns out to be the planet closest to the sun in their solar system. It was the weakening of the god of magic that caused the disasters as the direct rays of the sun blasted the old kingdom.

Plotline 4: The Grand High Mage of the Old kingdom is still alive having transported himself into the prison demiplane and reconstructing it into a magic school to continue feeding off the magic of its students. In fact the elves of the first kingdom are still alive but gone mad from constant torture.

Plotline 5: The Deep underground is a chaotic place featuring horrific creatures being the closest to the dark heart of the world. Dwarves were the one race not tainted by this corruption and escaped. The ancient dwarves who had not escaped in fact still live there and have protected the surface for centuries.

Plotline 6: The Orient is paying attention to the politics on the main land and are considering conquest, but are unsure if it is profitable. They plan on giving East March superior technology in order to exhaust themselves on Grotten and weaken the continent further.

Plotline 7: The ruins to the west are still functional and protected by demons. This threat means that there is a serious risk of another disaster. The Demons protecting it not being malicious but in fact protectors.

Plotline 8: Demons are not in fact evil but alien protectors, however they are slowly going mad. They appeared in East March because they could be sustained without harm there. Unlike the hostile west, the militaristic grotten, and the unliveable undergorund.

Plotline 9: The curse mark Elves have  wasn’t a curse mark but a magically imposed tattoo to spy on them. It also connects all elves to a single device in the old capital.

Plotline 10: The High Generals of Grotten are all cutthroat and against each other. With the tactically inclined buy less physically fit ones being pitted against the mighty. This infighting is further hurting Grotten’s military campaign and can be exploited to stop grotten’s war machine. This is expanded upon by how these possitions are earned.

From here you can imagine that there really wasn't any true villains except the school master.