I'd like to apologize for talking shit about this setup in deadchat, I thought it was something else.You...kinda did that for the whole sub-board though ._. It was a nice rant, but the pointy bits were spiking the rest of the quality content.
Oh, I am watching this one.No, players have to be alive to submit actions. Any of their delayed actions will still resolve even if they're dead though.
Question though, since it would get asked by someone eventually:
Are people able to make past actions occur after they die?
Example: Player 1 gets lynched D2, but never did anything N1, so still has an Annoying Parrot, and decides to travel back to N1 (before the lynch) to kill someone. Is that legal?
...In theory, sure.
can someone revive those killed via paradox by resolving the paradox?
ex: P1 Nks P2, P3 protects P2, P2 retro-blocks P3, P1, P2, P3 Paradox-killed... then P4 retro-redirects P2 to P5.
Do P1, P2, and P3 revive from the paradox-kill?
* Players begin the game on 0AP and gain 1 at the end of each night phase.Just to be silly about this: We can't gain action points any other way, yes? :)
Regarding delayed actions: can the mafiakill be delayed such that when N3 or N4 or whatever comes around, all the previous nights kills occur that night as well?Good question :O
AP costs for actions can't be split between players.Well uh o_O That was an answer I didn't expect at all. I was thinking more like 'since this ability is a faction ability, maybe YOU can spend {x} AP to do this, and then next night I'll spend {x} AP to do THIS! It'll be brilliant! And you can do your other ability in the meantime!'
Will roleblocks on N(X) affect actions taken N(X) but scheduled for a different night?Yes, but they won't block actions submitted on a different night that would take effect on N (X)
So blocks have to be on the night it is SENT, protects on the night it is RECIEVED?Yes.
SK1 on N1 delays a kill of townie1 until N3, on N2, to block that kill, you'd retro-block SK1 on N1, to protect against it, you'd delay-protect townie1 on N3.You can only ever submit a delay of one night for an action, but aside from that this is right.
swapping those would make them fail, correct?The actions wouldn't fail, but they wouldn't do anything about that kill either.
what about redirects?A redirect only changes the target of an action, not any thing else.
can redirects forcibly delay an action?
As far as I can see it would, aside from not being able to change the phase that Scum1's action resolved on.
lets get a lil more abusive of the system here, shall we?
D1 lynch is Townie1, 3v2, lynch, flip town, situation normal.
N1 vig1 retro-kills on N0 townie 2, who had voted for townie1 on D1.
This revives townie1, making him confirmed town.
N2 scum1 retro-blocks vig1 on N1. this revives townie2 as confirmed town and kills townie1 via D1 lynch.
N3 meanie1 retro-redirects Scum1 on N2 to himself on N999. does this kill townie2 and revive townie1 again?
This particular situation isn't possible, but the mafia would only win once they were uncontestable, including any pending actions.
it is post-mylo-night (mislynched), meanie1 delay-redirects the doctor from the next night to himself on the current night. he is targeted by the mafiakill on the current night. do the mafia win without the protect from the future resolving or do town get another shot at victory?
time management.....
N1 joker1 redirects Vig1 to dude1Dude 1, then dude 3 dies on N3 and dude 6 dies on N2
N2 joker1 redirects Vig1 to dude2
N3 joker1 retro-redirects Vig1 to dude3 on N2
N1 vig1 delay-kills dude4 on N2
N2 vig1 delay-kills dude5 on N3
N3 vig1 retro-kills dude6 on N2
who dies?
I'm not 100% on what you're asking here. Assuming my substitution is correct, D2 dies on N2, D4 dies on N1 until N3, after which D5 died on N1, and D1 dies on N1.
alternate:
N1 joker2 redirects [vig2] to D2
N2 joker2 redirects [vig2] to D4
N3 joker2 retro-redirects [vig2] to D5
N1 vig2 delay-kills D3 on N2
N2 vig2 retro-kills D3 on N1
N3 vig2 superretro-kills D1 on N1
who dies and when?
I got the information I wanted from your answer. sa'll good. 8)
next scenario:
N1 joker1 delay-redirects Vig1 to joker2 on N2
N2 joker1 redirects joker2 to Vig1
N1 joker2 redirects D1 to D2
N2 joker2 retro-redirects Vig1 to joker1 on N1
N1 Vig1 kills D4
N2 Vig1 kills D5
N1 joker3 delay-redirects Vig2 to D3
N2 joker3 redirects Vig2 to D4
N1 Vig2 kills D6
N2 Vig2 kills D7
N1 joker4 redirects joker5 to joker4
N2 joker4 retro-redirects joker5 to D8
N1 joker5 redirects Vig3 to joker4
N2 joker5 retro-redirects Vig3 to joker4
N1 Vig3 kills D9
N2 Vig3 kills D10
who dies and when?
I wonder what happens if someone dies in the past though. [1] If that person voted for someone which lead to a lynch... which then didn't happen due to the kill... would another person end up lynched instead? [2] Does the timestream only 'change' each day/night phase? [3] And what order are actions resolved in?[1]: It depends on the vote count, but yes, the lynch result could change as a result. Could. Or at least, that would be my guess.
Caz: That's a very easy question you gave Roseheart. There are two mafia and seven town(barring third parties or a setup deviating from the norm in a ridiculous manner). Town can afford losses, mafia can't. For town, the answer is yes, period, provided the suspicion is high enough. Why would you give Roseheart such an easy question?
Speaking of which, seriously, all of these are questions that should be going to the mod, not me. These all seem like stuff that should be public knowledge.
Team Win>Self Survival>Strawberry Shake
Teneb, juicebox, caz: How are you going to deal with the time shenanigans in this game?I won't. I'll just play normally.
Roseheart: You work out that you can use an action that will cause a time paradox and eliminate someone you suspect to be scum, but it will also eliminate yourself. Do you do it?I mean this. Don't do what I quoted. Quote like I do. This ain't one of them FG&RP freeform roleplays.
There are two mafia and seven town(barring third parties or a setup deviating from the norm in a ridiculous manner). Town can afford losses, mafia can't. For town, the answer is yes, period, provided the suspicion is high enough.~~~
Please give an example of a question with suitable difficulty?A question with a non-obvious answer, or a question with multiple possible answers.
During the night, you gain a 1-shot kill ability. At the end of each night other than the night you receive the ability, you have a 50% chance of loosing the ability. There are 3 people you have varying suspicions of of being scum, and your own role ability is the ability to role block somebody. What do?And how would the asking of this question or the answering of it help you find scum?
It actually is a straight answer. Just phrased in a convoluted manner.
Town win above the survival of self. Essentially this.
During the night, you gain a 1-shot kill ability. At the end of each night other than the night you receive the ability, you have a 50% chance of loosing the ability. There are 3 people you have varying suspicions of of being scum, and your own role ability is the ability to role block somebody. What do?
Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.Ignore them. It's out of my hands, so I'll just work with everyone and let whatever screwed action resolution eventually, well, resolve itself.
Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.
Teneb, juicebox, caz: How are you going to deal with the time shenanigans in this game?It's the ol' fashioned game of Detective actually :3 We link people to people, and this game rather exemplifies the importance of knowing others' abilities moreso than their roles (because, for example, you investigated a dude--which is a pretty precise action specifically regardless of paradox or not {as paradox only seemingly matters in terms of defense or kill or redirect or otherwise}, and you got Mafia, so you know they're mafia but then you paradoxically died or paradoxically lived because of paradoxically blocked kill, so you know multiple things or at least infer them, but the certainty still remains)
Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.
Hi guys let's be time travellers. Didn't think I would actually get into this game, so this is pretty neat. I forget like half of you though, so excuse me :lCAAAAAAZ ♥
DUN DUN O_O Someone really hinting they're excited for the KNIGHT! @_@Teneb, juicebox, caz: How are you going to deal with the time shenanigans in this game?I won't. I'll just play normally.
Also, perhaps we can skip the RVS? It rarely if ever results in anything.
So you're claiming non-third party then, got it. I'm lost on the strawberry shake part thoughPress the quote button instead of using italics. It's there for a purpose :P
Strawberry shakes are delish'.
*looks at own role*Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.Ignore them. It's out of my hands, so I'll just work with everyone and let whatever screwed action resolution eventually, well, resolve itself.
Fallacy - Answer your own question?
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this. What are your theories about the game?
Roseheart - Strawberry shakes are horrendous.
Apparently highest poster is rarely scum.NQT made it pretty much a point that the content matters rather than the quantity too :P That's the theme underlying all this, roseheart. So if you'd expect everyone else to work by 'apparentlies', I'd expect more than brevity and one liners from you, because people aren't easily so phased (or...lackingly invested).
Roseheart
Are you interested in hunting scum? How will you do it?
What are you going to do with today?
Apparently highest poster is rarely scum.Also what was this referring to?
Yes, but no earlier than that.
DA: Because I'm forgetful--hypothetically, can an action be pushed to N0?
Just to clear up probabilities.
Fallacy - Answer your own question?
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this. What are your theories about the game?
Also why'd you target 3 people...and then ask the same question to literally everyone else? o_O FoUCouldn't think of any more RVS questions at the time.
I also haven't played in about a year. The last game I played was that horrible Mafia Championship where people acted like I was crazy for scumhunting per the usual method here and expected me to post several times each fucking hour of the day.DUN DUN O_O Someone really hinting they're excited for the KNIGHT! @_@Teneb, juicebox, caz: How are you going to deal with the time shenanigans in this game?I won't. I'll just play normally.
Also, perhaps we can skip the RVS? It rarely if ever results in anything.
You didn't behave like that ever :O Suspicious!
What else do you see the usefulness of Day 1 as, when the next night or day doesn't particularly indicate as much in particular?Day1 is as useful as any of the other days. Which is why it's important not to waste half of it on useless RVS.
Teneb (Also would you prefer me calling you by your previous name or...?)I don't mind either way, but it may confuse newer players.
What do you think about an early massclaim :OConsidering the roles are unknown? No. Too easy to lie.
Apparently highest poster is rarely scum.So sayeth master detective 4maskwolf. Do you have anything to actually contribute to the game, scumbucket.
Tiruin.Learn2Read, scrub. Also, nice dodge of Tiruin's question to you.
Why do you post so much stuff that nobody can read all of?
What are you going to do with today?This one.
RoseheartYou also dodged this one.
Are you interested in hunting scum? How will you do it?
I think you might be innocent, Tiruin.Why the actual fucking fuck would you vote for someone you think is innocent?
During the night, you gain a 1-shot kill ability. At the end of each night other than the night you receive the ability, you have a 50% chance of loosing the ability. There are 3 people you have varying suspicions of of being scum, and your own role ability is the ability to role block somebody. What do?And how would the asking of this question or the answering of it help you find scum?
* TheDarkStar /What the fuck is this.
* BlackHeartKabal /
* Tiruin //
* juicebox
* Teneb////
* Roseheart/////
* FallacyOfUrist ////
* roo
* caz ///
BHKI can garner a generalist idea in my view of how people behave and then guess what actions they'll take from that, I'm just not good at actually doing the guessing. Behavior, I suppose. You?*looks at own role*Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.Ignore them. It's out of my hands, so I'll just work with everyone and let whatever screwed action resolution eventually, well, resolve itself.
Fallacy - Answer your own question?
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this. What are your theories about the game?
Roseheart - Strawberry shakes are horrendous.
Power is relative :V [/attractingheat]
I theorize that since this is the first ever instance of this game happening, DA is making it heavy-light; this means that this is convoluted enough to be fun, but also simple enough to be fun. :P
This RVS seems pretty light in particular, to be coincidental.
Do you feel it is better for you to focus on actions or behavior, BHK?
I think you might be innocent, Tiruin.Then are you mafia?
Postcount.* TheDarkStar /What the fuck is this.
* BlackHeartKabal /
* Tiruin //
* juicebox
* Teneb////
* Roseheart/////
* FallacyOfUrist ////
* roo
* caz ///
* TheDarkStar /
* BlackHeartKabal /
* Tiruin //
* juicebox
* Teneb////
* Roseheart/////
* FallacyOfUrist ////
* roo
* caz ///
Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.
Pictures. I'll probably keep a log for myself of all the actions that I know about and every once in a while I might post an MSPaint picture illustrating it. That way we can avoid unintended paradoxes.
CAAAAAAZ ♥
MISSED YOU :3
How will you sort out a paradox, and what is your impression of massclaiming in the context of this game?
I'll try to use time shenanigans to my advantage! If somebody flips town, we can kill somebody who voted them to revive them! Or block whoever killed them.
hi :D who are you again?Love you too. :P
Plus this being bastardmaf we can't really have a proper idea of what's a likely setup etc.I've PM'd DA on the action resolution order, he didn't somehow respond that in his first response. (The first question was personal stuffs--apparently, people can act as much as their AP can allow, so say you've a night action and you start with 0AP? You can act 5 times, that being the theoretical maximum (as tonight I assume we get +1, so 1AP, and the minimum is -4Ap) and then recharge the next 4 days) :P
I would try to work with everyone to avoid paradoxes though. They sound grisly and a way to get rid of a lot of people in one day, which is (usually) always bad for town.
I've PM'd DA on the action resolution order, he didn't somehow respond that in his first response. (The first question was personal stuffs--apparently, people can act as much as their AP can allow, so say you've a night action and you start with 0AP? You can act 5 times, that being the theoretical maximum (as tonight I assume we get +1, so 1AP, and the minimum is -4Ap) and then recharge the next 4 days) :PAll actions follow AP rules, including any kills. Also worth noting is that you gain 1AP at the end of the night, not the beginning; so you'll still be on 0AP when submitting actions.
Deus Asmoth: More questions :3
> Does the Mafia have the Faction Mafiakill?
> Does the Faction Mafiakill follow the AP rules, or is it only once per night?
Reasoning based on their answer. I'm not sure how yet.During the night, you gain a 1-shot kill ability. At the end of each night other than the night you receive the ability, you have a 50% chance of loosing the ability. There are 3 people you have varying suspicions of of being scum, and your own role ability is the ability to role block somebody. What do?And how would the asking of this question or the answering of it help you find scum?
Teneb, juicebox, caz: How are you going to deal with the time shenanigans in this game?
Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.
Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.Ignore them. It's out of my hands, so I'll just work with everyone and let whatever screwed action resolution eventually, well, resolve itself.
Fallacy - Answer your own question?
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this. What are your theories about the game?
Roseheart - Strawberry shakes are horrendous.
BHKI can garner a generalist idea in my view of how people behave and then guess what actions they'll take from that, I'm just not good at actually doing the guessing. Behavior, I suppose. You?*looks at own role*Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.Ignore them. It's out of my hands, so I'll just work with everyone and let whatever screwed action resolution eventually, well, resolve itself.
Fallacy - Answer your own question?
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this. What are your theories about the game?
Roseheart - Strawberry shakes are horrendous.
Power is relative :V [/attractingheat]
I theorize that since this is the first ever instance of this game happening, DA is making it heavy-light; this means that this is convoluted enough to be fun, but also simple enough to be fun. :P
This RVS seems pretty light in particular, to be coincidental.
Do you feel it is better for you to focus on actions or behavior, BHK?
Fallacy- Suppose you have a one shot protect and have the option of going back to save either a townie with a role inspect, or a vanille townie who is a strong scumhunter. Which do you choose?Well, there is the hidden third option of waiting to see if a better townie dies later, but ignoring that, I'd go with the townie with the role inspect. Even if he doesn't get alignment from the inspect results, there's still the possibility of determining if someone is scum based off their role(if they have mafiakill special abilities, it's a dead giveaway, another possibility is having much more power than average).
Why do you post so much stuff that nobody can read all of?
I think you might be innocent, Tiruin.
Day1 is as useful as any of the other days. Which is why it's important not to waste half of it on useless RVS.
Are you guys really ignoring my point about roseheart possibly being under post-restriction? Really easy lynch guys, well done such scumhunt. 5 stars. No, 6 stars.
ExtendOh great, you lynched Extend. Now we can't extend the day anymore. [/joke]
I vote to end the day.
ExtendOh great, you lynched Extend. Now we can't extend the day anymore. [/joke]
~~~
So... what are we going to use our extra time on? More RVS?
Hi guys let's be time travellers. Didn't think I would actually get into this game, so this is pretty neat. I forget like half of you though, so excuse me :l
FallacyofUrist: Deal with them as they come I suppose. Being semi-bastard I expect we'll come to the wrong conclusions and make some !!fun!! mistakes.
I wonder what happens if someone dies in the past though. If that person voted for someone which lead to a lynch... which then didn't happen due to the kill... would another person end up lynched instead? Does the timestream only 'change' each day/night phase? And what order are actions resolved in?
Same question for you, btw.
Roseheart: You work out that you can use an action that will cause a time paradox and eliminate someone you suspect to be scum, but it will also eliminate yourself. Do you do it?
ExtendOh great, you lynched Extend. Now we can't extend the day anymore. [/joke]
~~~
So... what are we going to use our extra time on? More RVS?
I'd prefer to use it on actual scumhunting, but unfortunately we don't have much to go on right now
Fallacy, why don't you try to generate some content to try get out of RVS?
juicebox
BHK-If they don't change their behavior? I don't, unfortunately. If you're referring to alignment changing as conversion from town or mafia or TP to another party, a conversion mechanic is unlikely in this game, so I'd suppose that's irrelevant here.BHKI can garner a generalist idea in my view of how people behave and then guess what actions they'll take from that, I'm just not good at actually doing the guessing. Behavior, I suppose. You?*looks at own role*Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.Ignore them. It's out of my hands, so I'll just work with everyone and let whatever screwed action resolution eventually, well, resolve itself.
Fallacy - Answer your own question?
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this. What are your theories about the game?
Roseheart - Strawberry shakes are horrendous.
Power is relative :V [/attractingheat]
I theorize that since this is the first ever instance of this game happening, DA is making it heavy-light; this means that this is convoluted enough to be fun, but also simple enough to be fun. :P
This RVS seems pretty light in particular, to be coincidental.
Do you feel it is better for you to focus on actions or behavior, BHK?
But a change in behavior doesn't always denote a change in alignment. How do you determine whether a change in their behavior is due to their alignment changing or due to some other factor?
Reason?ExtendOh great, you lynched Extend. Now we can't extend the day anymore. [/joke]
~~~
So... what are we going to use our extra time on? More RVS?
I'd prefer to use it on actual scumhunting, but unfortunately we don't have much to go on right now
Fallacy, why don't you try to generate some content to try get out of RVS?
juicebox
juicebox
Why?
Hi guys let's be time travellers. Didn't think I would actually get into this game, so this is pretty neat. I forget like half of you though, so excuse me :l
FallacyofUrist: Deal with them as they come I suppose. Being semi-bastard I expect we'll come to the wrong conclusions and make some !!fun!! mistakes.
I wonder what happens if someone dies in the past though. If that person voted for someone which lead to a lynch... which then didn't happen due to the kill... would another person end up lynched instead? Does the timestream only 'change' each day/night phase? And what order are actions resolved in?
Same question for you, btw.
Roseheart: You work out that you can use an action that will cause a time paradox and eliminate someone you suspect to be scum, but it will also eliminate yourself. Do you do it?
ExtendOh great, you lynched Extend. Now we can't extend the day anymore. [/joke]
~~~
So... what are we going to use our extra time on? More RVS?
I'd prefer to use it on actual scumhunting, but unfortunately we don't have much to go on right now
Fallacy, why don't you try to generate some content to try get out of RVS?
juicebox
An initial review of the thread. I feel stuck. mostly because I can't be bothered to read read. I merely looked at the posts. everyone is focused on roseheart. it's the same mistake everyone makes on this site. they don't know it so they kill it. I wouldn't mind it if the next day was used to look at persons motives and reasons, but even then it feels like everyone resets as if the last day was a one off and it begins again the questions that lead nowhere. I am gonna vote juice box their blatant and significantly worse sin of demanding content without providing any. I am curious why Fallacy didn't say anything even with his post of posing a what now. It certainly does feel woe is us type post. but I am more interested in juicebox atm. If rose is gonna die today so be it. I will be hunting scum. anyone care to join me?
BHK-If they don't change their behavior? I don't, unfortunately. If you're referring to alignment changing as conversion from town or mafia or TP to another party, a conversion mechanic is unlikely in this game, so I'd suppose that's irrelevant here.BHKI can garner a generalist idea in my view of how people behave and then guess what actions they'll take from that, I'm just not good at actually doing the guessing. Behavior, I suppose. You?*looks at own role*Everybody else: Same question, actually. It's the question on all of our minds, really. How to deal with time shenanigans.Ignore them. It's out of my hands, so I'll just work with everyone and let whatever screwed action resolution eventually, well, resolve itself.
Fallacy - Answer your own question?
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this. What are your theories about the game?
Roseheart - Strawberry shakes are horrendous.
Power is relative :V [/attractingheat]
I theorize that since this is the first ever instance of this game happening, DA is making it heavy-light; this means that this is convoluted enough to be fun, but also simple enough to be fun. :P
This RVS seems pretty light in particular, to be coincidental.
Do you feel it is better for you to focus on actions or behavior, BHK?
But a change in behavior doesn't always denote a change in alignment. How do you determine whether a change in their behavior is due to their alignment changing or due to some other factor?Reason?ExtendOh great, you lynched Extend. Now we can't extend the day anymore. [/joke]
~~~
So... what are we going to use our extra time on? More RVS?
I'd prefer to use it on actual scumhunting, but unfortunately we don't have much to go on right now
Fallacy, why don't you try to generate some content to try get out of RVS?
juicebox
An initial review of the thread. I feel stuck. mostly because I can't be bothered to read read. I merely looked at the posts. everyone is focused on roseheart. it's the same mistake everyone makes on this site. they don't know it so they kill it. I wouldn't mind it if the next day was used to look at persons motives and reasons, but even then it feels like everyone resets as if the last day was a one off and it begins again the questions that lead nowhere. I am gonna vote juice box their blatant and significantly worse sin of demanding content without providing any. I am curious why Fallacy didn't say anything even with his post of posing a what now. It certainly does feel woe is us type post. but I am more interested in juicebox atm. If rose is gonna die today so be it. I will be hunting scum. anyone care to join me?You kinda outlined the problem in your idea. You didn't read :P
An initial review of the thread. I feel stuck. mostly because I can't be bothered to read read. I merely looked at the posts. everyone is focused on roseheart. it's the same mistake everyone makes on this site. they don't know it so they kill it. I wouldn't mind it if the next day was used to look at persons motives and reasons, but even then it feels like everyone resets as if the last day was a one off and it begins again the questions that lead nowhere. I am gonna vote juice box their blatant and significantly worse sin of demanding content without providing any. I am curious why Fallacy didn't say anything even with his post of posing a what now. It certainly does feel woe is us type post. but I am more interested in juicebox atm. If rose is gonna die today so be it. I will be hunting scum. anyone care to join me?You kinda outlined the problem in your idea. You didn't read :P
And merely gleaned and stuck to the idea that 'people are focused on roseheart' when context pretty much is obvious :P ...that people are more curious ABOUT him rather than 'OMG LYNCH DED'
What do you think about rose?
Compared to your current target?
PFP
Oh also Caz is ok with playing; all confirmation should come from her :p
in regards to rose well if we're all about context it is fairly obvious :^)
-snip-What do you assume exists in game? :O A voting mechanic seems a bit far fetched.
in regards to rose well if we're all about context it is fairly obvious :^)But there is no context
HMPH :I
Foin. I:
But I'm PRETTY sure there are no jesters (in the kill me I win hah case) :P
Also I'm betting roo is posting by phone, which explains his everything in his posts thus far :V
On Juicebox, of his 7 in-game posts, none of them are an OMGUS, as he's voting you over something he perceived rather than you voting him or anything :p Although you do have a point in that it can really seem like a reaction vote back to you voting him.-snip-What do you assume exists in game? :O A voting mechanic seems a bit far fetched.
Alright. My goal is to set a trap. Let's see how I do.
An initial review of the thread. I feel stuck. mostly because I can't be bothered to read read. I merely looked at the posts. everyone is focused on roseheart. it's the same mistake everyone makes on this site. they don't know it so they kill it. I wouldn't mind it if the next day was used to look at persons motives and reasons, but even then it feels like everyone resets as if the last day was a one off and it begins again the questions that lead nowhere. I am gonna vote juice box their blatant and significantly worse sin of demanding content without providing any. I am curious why Fallacy didn't say anything even with his post of posing a what now. It certainly does feel woe is us type post. but I am more interested in juicebox atm. If rose is gonna die today so be it. I will be hunting scum. anyone care to join me?You kinda outlined the problem in your idea. You didn't read :P
And merely gleaned and stuck to the idea that 'people are focused on roseheart' when context pretty much is obvious :P ...that people are more curious ABOUT him rather than 'OMG LYNCH DED'
What do you think about rose?
Compared to your current target?
PFP
Oh also Caz is ok with playing; all confirmation should come from her :p
you misread :^)
I said I didn't read read. like 10th grade where teach tells you to read actively instead of passively.
tldr; I read the entire thread, but wasn't actively looking for anything what I did see didn't impress me. still I don't see where my analysis is incorrect. Context only matters when you had to extend the day rather than end it, correct me if I'm wrong but would rose be dead or alive if the day ended. You can be as curious as you want as long as we're not counting votes.
I'll say it again:
everyone is focused on rose
Juicebox made the sin of voting for someone to generate content whilst not making any himself and now explains it was a reactions vote and now votes me for not being scum but for being dumb and voting him I mean come on.
If rose is gonna die today so be it.
in regards to rose well if we're all about context it is fairly obvious :^)
I like my current target. the omgus it makes me like it even more.
in regards to rose well if we're all about context it is fairly obvious :^)But there is no context
HMPH :I
Foin. I:
But I'm PRETTY sure there are no jesters (in the kill me I win hah case) :P
Also I'm betting roo is posting by phone, which explains his everything in his posts thus far :V
On Juicebox, of his 7 in-game posts, none of them are an OMGUS, as he's voting you over something he perceived rather than you voting him or anything :p Although you do have a point in that it can really seem like a reaction vote back to you voting him.-snip-What do you assume exists in game? :O A voting mechanic seems a bit far fetched.
Now we're getting somewhere. I say let rose die, be as curious as you want I mean why bother talking it out and explaining why someone is likely scum. Hey as long as we're all curious it should be fine.
The point isn't that I voted him first. The point is I called him out on his post. he backed off fallacy and quickly voted me with the suprise "wow just wow". As in I can't believe what I just read. I'm totally befuddled by the words strung together and outragd by their conclusion. I don't buy it. I say kill juice box with fire.
Only a mafia would have conviction that it must be a bad thing.Typically, in a 9 player setup, there are only two mafia. Three players are voting you.
Do I seem like a person with a lot of allies?Caz.
I am the allegentless. I am the defender. I am the canarie.Sure, act like you are the hero or whatever is going through your head. See, the reason I am lynching you is this: mafia or town, you are playing badly. Not roo levels of laconic, just straight up bad. As such, it would be a Bad Thing if you get to a situation like MYLO or LYLO because how the hell can I even tell what your alignment is? Furthermore, you say Tiruin is innocent (without even saying why) and then... vote her? wat.jpg.
Tonight you will here my death song and know.
The mine is poisonous.
Trust not, those quick to silence me.
Fallacy, Tiruin, Teneb.
I rest.
Also sheep me or gain a bullet guys. TyIs this an inventor claim?
I'm not claiming yet because I'm part of really wondering if the targets I hit are scum :pYou just claimed a multi-target action.
I'm all for Extending, though it's MYLO(assuming 2 mafia), not LYLO.I'm not claiming yet because I'm part of really wondering if the targets I hit are scum :pYou just claimed a multi-target action.
Idk why Roseheart acted so useless. We are 3 town don't wn day2 so that's a fucking wonder.Neither. I tried to investigate roo last night because I don't always have the most consistent reads on them, but, well, they died.
Teneb which one did you kill last night?
All actions can be used multiple times per night if you got the AP.I'm not claiming yet because I'm part of really wondering if the targets I hit are scum :pYou just claimed a multi-target action.
REALLY NOW @_@Idk why Roseheart acted so useless. We are 3 town don't wn day2 so that's a fucking wonder.Neither. I tried to investigate roo last night because I don't always have the most consistent reads on them, but, well, they died.
Teneb which one did you kill last night?
But sure, try to throw suspicion on me.
LIES.And you know this how? :P
Because you moved my action to happen N0.
Or at least someone did.
More likely, someone redirected you.
You would have been paradoxed, Roo died on N0, Teneb.Idk why Roseheart acted so useless. We are 3 town don't wn day2 so that's a fucking wonder.Neither. I tried to investigate roo last night because I don't always have the most consistent reads on them, but, well, they died.
Teneb which one did you kill last night?
But sure, try to throw suspicion on me.
You would have been paradoxed, Roo died on N0, Teneb.Please elaborate on why he would have been paradoxed. If you're right, then either Teneb made a mistake or he's lying scum(and made a mistake), and I'd be fine voting him for that.
He can't investigate on N1 someone who's died on N0.You would have been paradoxed, Roo died on N0, Teneb.Please elaborate on why he would have been paradoxed. If you're right, then either Teneb made a mistake or he's lying scum(and made a mistake), and I'd be fine voting him for that.
And I would've won :VYou would have been paradoxed, Roo died on N0, Teneb.Idk why Roseheart acted so useless. We are 3 town don't wn day2 so that's a fucking wonder.Neither. I tried to investigate roo last night because I don't always have the most consistent reads on them, but, well, they died.
Teneb which one did you kill last night?
But sure, try to throw suspicion on me.
If that's the case, then either you lied about targeting Teneb with your reversing action or you were redirected and not told(and not all setups have players being told when they're redirected). Speaking of which...Either yer pretty much not reading the OP (No offense :P)
Boop :3You would have been paradoxed, Roo died on N0, Teneb.Please elaborate on why he would have been paradoxed. If you're right, then either Teneb made a mistake or he's lying scum(and made a mistake), and I'd be fine voting him for that.
Ayyyy dis.He can't investigate on N1 someone who's died on N0.You would have been paradoxed, Roo died on N0, Teneb.Please elaborate on why he would have been paradoxed. If you're right, then either Teneb made a mistake or he's lying scum(and made a mistake), and I'd be fine voting him for that.
He can't investigate on N1 someone who's died on N0.Well.
...BEcause you are aware that we can multiact right? I even posted about that back in D1. :PWell. I knew we can multiact, I just didn't consider it as an option. Used to mafia games where you can only make one action per night.
Deus Asmoth: If a player's target was changed, would they be told?Players will be told who their action's target was and the night on which it resolves.
Deus Asmoth: If a player's target was changed, would they be told?Players will be told who their action's target was and the night on which it resolves.
I tried to investigate roo last night because I don't always have the most consistent reads on them, but, well, they died.
REALLY NOW @_@
Because I moved your action to happen on N0.
From this we can determine at least one of two are scum. There can't be outside interference due to the mod's statement. If Teneb somehow flips town (really, really doubt it) then Tiruin can be deleted tomorrow.Ehh, doubt it :v
Tiruin how many paradoxes do you need for a win?Just bloody one.
And does anyone have a useful explanation about how Teneb has been redirected/blocked without causing a paradox that isn't that he/she lied?
I targeted:I already acted N0 though.
> ROO
> TENEB
> FOU
> BHK
And moved their actions one day earlier. Meaning N0.
Well is ANYTHING going to happen? -.-And it did. Note how I said tried. Also remember how I said I'd not take part in timey-wimey shenanigans. I inspected roo on N1, got sent to N0, which changed nothing because they still died, so my results are meaningless.
6 people left. LYLO pretty much. Nobody's poking anything.REALLY NOW @_@Idk why Roseheart acted so useless. We are 3 town don't wn day2 so that's a fucking wonder.Neither. I tried to investigate roo last night because I don't always have the most consistent reads on them, but, well, they died.
Teneb which one did you kill last night?
But sure, try to throw suspicion on me.
Because I moved your action to happen on N0.
Normally, I couldn't. But my action got thrown to N0. So there you go, scumsucker.He can't investigate on N1 someone who's died on N0.You would have been paradoxed, Roo died on N0, Teneb.Please elaborate on why he would have been paradoxed. If you're right, then either Teneb made a mistake or he's lying scum(and made a mistake), and I'd be fine voting him for that.
Why on earth were you trying to inspect a dead person?He was alive. He was killed retroactively. How is this hard to grasp?
Also no 3rd party kill happened n2(or from whichever time stream we are on now)
We are really hingeing on if people will be informed of their abilities being blocked or so. If an action is taken on n2 for example to go back to n0, wouldn't the affected players find out due to the time difference? Once the timeline changes they would notice that things aren't how they should be. This is just an assumption but if true it would look to Teneb's guilt more than their innocence.
Why on earth were you trying to inspect a dead person?
I targeted:I already acted N0 though.
> ROO
> TENEB
> FOU
> BHK
And moved their actions one day earlier. Meaning N0.
I'm a benevolent third-party whose extra-curricular is doing anything alignment sided :P I'm a Jester (Not Really). Really.
Basically my only wincon is that I'll be creating a time paradox or that I'm involved in one -_- My only ability is making things happen earlier or later than the time my own action resolves. (As in, either I can cause it, or I'm involved in it) I can easily infer that mine just resolved N1.
I targeted:
> ROO
> TENEB
> FOU
> BHK
And moved their actions one day earlier. Meaning N0.
And it would have 'failed'.Why on earth were you trying to inspect a dead person?He was alive. He was killed retroactively. How is this hard to grasp?
Interesting. So what happens if you win? Do you just get removed from the game (assuming that you don't get killed in the time paradox you want, which would obviously make you dead)? What happens if a time paradox is resolved so that it's no longer a paradox? Do you not win anymore?Usual wincon I bet. I do get removed from the game unless somehow I can be probably paradox unparadox'd? :V But that'd require a lot more entanglement than is necessary.
A bandwagon is hardly anything. And I can't investigate if I am dead.And it would have 'failed'.Why on earth were you trying to inspect a dead person?He was alive. He was killed retroactively. How is this hard to grasp?
And I would have WON :V
Unless I'm misunderstanding stuff that people tried to clarify pages back >_>
. . . *realization sounds*
Pretty much only made it not a paradox, because I also moved your action to him.
well. Unvote.
So what made you claim out cop before anyone seriously did anthing?
[Teneb]Still have this to answer though :P
So what made you claim out cop before anyone seriously did anthing?
[Teneb]Still have this to answer though :P
So what made you claim out cop before anyone seriously did anthing?
A bandwagon is hardly anything. And I can't investigate if I am dead.
Assuming powers are unique, Teneb can't be the cop.Really? Are you sure? How sure? Because, let me remind you, there is zero evidence that roles are unique. You keep grasping for reasons to lynch me, all of them filmsy.
Yes, um...about that.[Teneb]Still have this to answer though :P
So what made you claim out cop before anyone seriously did anthing?A bandwagon is hardly anything. And I can't investigate if I am dead.
Not that this will dissuade you or anything.Yeah. It's not dissuading me at all.
Why did you claim at this certain time, and why'd you target said person.I already said why roo, but I'll restate it anyway: I inspected roo because I have a hard time reading roo. Thus I elected to not keep wondering and actually be sure. As to why then: as you yourself said, we are quite probably in LYLO. When it's lynch or lose, you go all in.
We massclaiming?Err ._. you missed the note way back?
I'm a Vig. I killed Roo on N0.
...You already acted on N0 meaning you CHOSE to act on N0?I targeted:I already acted N0 though.
> ROO
> TENEB
> FOU
> BHK
And moved their actions one day earlier. Meaning N0.
FallacyofUrist: If you really are a cop, who did you investigate as part of your action?... see this post.
I, on the other hand, investigated Caz, and learned she was town on N0.
Problem is 2+ people aren't giving MORE details to make their claim rather than just claiming an idea. :INot that this will dissuade you or anything.Yeah. It's not dissuading me at all.
Y'know, I think Tiruin's right. A massclaim may actually be a good idea. You have my claim.
1 - With the lack of leads, I simply chose to shoot roo.We massclaiming?Err ._. you missed the note way back?
I'm a Vig. I killed Roo on N0.
> Why, and reason on target, please :3
Also!...You already acted on N0 meaning you CHOSE to act on N0?I targeted:I already acted N0 though.
> ROO
> TENEB
> FOU
> BHK
And moved their actions one day earlier. Meaning N0.
Tiruin: Rewinder(causes an action to occur 1 night earlier).Interesting how only one player has any additional stuff to their action. That includes the dead players, and the only player that sorta-kinda violates that rule is the third party.
Teneb: Role cop, action unaffected by actions that resolve after it.
FallacyofUrist: Alignment cop.
Investigated Caz N1, pushed back to N0, got town result.
BHK: Vigilante.
Killed roo N0.
Unclaimed:
TheDarkStar, Caz
Interesting how only one player has any additional stuff to their action. That includes the dead players, and the only player that sorta-kinda violates that rule is the third party.Go back and read Juicebox's role flip. See how their power also has additional stuff to it? Are they mafia? Oh look, a hole in your little scum plot.
The one player that has something more than a single action? Teneb. And one would expect mafia to have a bit more power per role than town...
Deus Asmoth: Can investigations cause paradoxes? For example, if you attempt to investigate someone and they are retroactively killed that same night, does it cause a paradox? Or are you just attempting to investigate a dead person?You'd just be attempting to investigate a dead person.
Why do you care who's scum, aren't you a third party who needs to cause a paradox?Because, monsieur scum, she can't do that if the Mafia win today.
... if you're not sure if Caz is scum, and you're sure I'm scum, why aren't you voting me?Pressure for the claim at this point.
And also relevant, why do you think Caz is scum?Because I'm suspicious for her first post on this day, which while admirably bold and daring, seems like a gambit to me. And scum tend to do gambits far more often than town. Considering the fact that you "cleared" her, it makes me think you two are a team.
And actually, here's a better idea, why not lynch me first? If I show up as a town cop, then you'll know Caz is town, if I show up as mafia, you'll know I was lying about my inspection.Sure. FallacyofUrist
Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this.
1 - With the lack of leads, I simply chose to shoot roo.We massclaiming?Err ._. you missed the note way back?
I'm a Vig. I killed Roo on N0.
> Why, and reason on target, please :3
Also!...You already acted on N0 meaning you CHOSE to act on N0?I targeted:I already acted N0 though.
> ROO
> TENEB
> FOU
> BHK
And moved their actions one day earlier. Meaning N0.
2 - Yes.
No.Everybody else - I suspect that the majority of town are very strong power roles, and the mafia have time manipulation to account for this.
Forgot to include this in my last post. Do you still agree with yourself BHK?
...huh, I thought I posted already.I'd say that, in the absence of evidence, killing roo is a town oriented action.
Anyway: BlackHeartKabal:1 - With the lack of leads, I simply chose to shoot roo.We massclaiming?Err ._. you missed the note way back?
I'm a Vig. I killed Roo on N0.
> Why, and reason on target, please :3
Also!...You already acted on N0 meaning you CHOSE to act on N0?I targeted:I already acted N0 though.
> ROO
> TENEB
> FOU
> BHK
And moved their actions one day earlier. Meaning N0.
2 - Yes.
How is this a town-oriented action? It's not just that you killed roo early without any info, it's that you moved it back an additional night (which makes it even harder for someone to stop it). It just seems like a way for scum to get rid of someone and then get away with it.
I'm a roleblocker. Well, I remove 1 AP from people (+1 per time I use the action), but given the setup I'm effectively a roleblocker. Last night I targeted juicebox (because something about his posts gave me a funny feeling) but he died.
And before you say anything about that causing a paradox, see Deus Asmoth's response to my question. Targeting dead people does not cause a paradox.
I'd say that, in the absence of evidence, killing roo is a town oriented action.
Actually, hold on. if a paradox happens Tiruin wins alone? If so, we need to lynch Tiruin today.Da heck @_@
I'mma town phoenix, I rez people using the power of moebius strips or something. Still think massclaiming on day2 is dumb though.And nooooo reasoning whatsoever :v
Yeah Teneb my original vote was really just to put pressure on you and see who'd join the bandwagon. Results were interesting.
Been keeping up with the thread a bit but haven't had the time to post, tomorrow or smt.
Tiruin - joined the vote then changed mind after awhile. possible 'look i almost bussed, i'm totes town' play? also already claimed 3rd party and i don't really believe that 'yea i will help town!!' stuff
Re-reading the thread there's no way that Tiruin's ability isn't maf-orientated. They can nullify all the abilities of the town members killed n0, which to maf means nothing, they WANT people dead. From the other claims there isn't really anything that would make that balanced at all, unless TDS is hiding a nuke up his ass.-.-
Moving kills earlier = good
Moving pretty much any other ability earlier (except vig. which makes the vig read more town to me now) = bad
Tiruin
Teneb, then TDS/Tir, I guess?Yeeeep, I'ma have dat feel that people aren't really reading and instead just planning lynches. -_-
And before you say anything about that causing a paradox, see Deus Asmoth's response to my question. Targeting dead people does not cause a paradox.Yes. It does.
What does this mean for the player, Deus Asmoth?Deus Asmoth: Can investigations cause paradoxes? For example, if you attempt to investigate someone and they are retroactively killed that same night, does it cause a paradox? Or are you just attempting to investigate a dead person?You'd just be attempting to investigate a dead person.
Tiruin, the fact that I'm not dead means that visiting a dead person doesn't cause a paradox. If I'm reading the rules right, paradoxes only happen when you have a set of actions that can't be resolved. Basically grandfather-type paradox stuff.TDS, the only reason why the paradox didn't work is because we're using the common action order. I know this because DA told me that in PMs. Which he didn't apparently make public :V
Tiruin, the fact that I'm not dead means that visiting a dead person doesn't cause a paradox. If I'm reading the rules right, paradoxes only happen when you have a set of actions that can't be resolved. Basically grandfather-type paradox stuff.TDS, the only reason why the paradox didn't work is because we're using the common action order. I know this because DA told me that in PMs. Which he didn't apparently make public :V
Deus Asmoth: Action order please. Public. Thankies.
On action order, the game is reasonably close to standard action resolution, with protects/blocks etc. going before kills, inspects and so on. A couple of special actions go before protects.If you want more specifics, the resolution would typically go fast!other>blocks>protects>inspects/slow!other>kill>actions affecting dead players (though these actions wouldn't be blocked by a kill affecting their user on the same night).
Deus Asmoth: If a person died on an earlier night but was alive due to movement of actions (eg Kill action), the flip will be on the next night in normal order, or will you edit the previous night with their flip that they were killed in?Any flips are revealed on the day phase following the action taking effect, even if that action affected a previous night, simply for convenience.
How will acting on a dead person by time-shifting action occur?Tiruin, the fact that I'm not dead means that visiting a dead person doesn't cause a paradox. If I'm reading the rules right, paradoxes only happen when you have a set of actions that can't be resolved. Basically grandfather-type paradox stuff.TDS, the only reason why the paradox didn't work is because we're using the common action order. I know this because DA told me that in PMs. Which he didn't apparently make public :V
Deus Asmoth: Action order please. Public. Thankies.If you want more specifics, the resolution would typically go fast!other>blocks>protects>inspects/slow!other>kill>actions affecting dead players (though these actions wouldn't be blocked by a kill affecting their user on the same night).
...huh, I thought I posted already.Also for the record, while this may be fishy given the reasoning I've posted, I'm seeing this more as a 'response push vote' rather than a legitimate vote.
Anyway: BlackHeartKabal
« Last Edit: Today at 06:08:17 am by Tiruin »Yeah just because I've slow net and broke my quote on Deus Asm enveloping everything after it. -_-
Why do you care who's scum, aren't you a third party who needs to cause a paradox?While I'm adherent to my wincon, this doesn't stop me from being a player and playing. :V
FallacyOfUristI had one night to act.
Cop claims are strong, but you had time to back yours up.
You didn't.
Re-reading the thread there's no way that Tiruin's ability isn't maf-orientated. They can nullify all the abilities of the town members killed n0, which to maf means nothing, they WANT people dead. From the other claims there isn't really anything that would make that balanced at all, unless TDS is hiding a nuke up his ass.I do agree with you, but if we don't unify our votes, we'll get a no lynch because both Tiruin and Teneb happen to be voting me. Please help me lynch Teneb now and if I'm still alive tomorrow, we can lynch Tiruin. Alternatively, if BlackHeartKabal switches votes to Tiruin, I'll change vote to her as well.
Moving kills earlier = good
Moving pretty much any other ability earlier (except vig. which makes the vig read more town to me now) = bad
Tiruin
Okay, why are you voting me instead of no lynching? As you said, assuming there's two mafia, it's MYLO. If we lynch wrong today, there won't be any more scum hunting, that's it. If we no lynch, and scum only kill once, it'll be LYLO instead of game end.It is LYLO -.-
Why did you use up all your AP on Night 1 instead of drawing it out and giving you more chance to win?
Why did you use up all your AP on Night 1 instead of drawing it out and giving you more chance to win?Just because you only read that after I booped you? :P
I had one night to act.>_> Yes. But you didn't detail ANYTHING other than saying 'I inspected Caz, she's town'.
And I'm fairly sure we've got a Teneb-Tiruin scumteam now.::)
I do agree with you, but if we don't unify our votes, we'll get a no lynch because both Tiruin and Teneb happen to be voting me. Please help me lynch Teneb now and if I'm still alive tomorrow, we can lynch Tiruin. Alternatively, if BlackHeartKabal switches votes to Tiruin, I'll change vote to her as well.IF YOU ARE TOWN, VOTING ME WILL CAUSE YOU TO LOSE.
It's backed up by the fact that TheDarkStar and Caz also don't have secondary abilities.Quote from: ClaimsTiruin: Rewinder(causes an action to occur 1 night earlier).Interesting how only one player has any additional stuff to their action. That includes the dead players, and the only player that sorta-kinda violates that rule is the third party.
Teneb: Role cop, action unaffected by actions that resolve after it.
FallacyofUrist: Alignment cop.
Investigated Caz N1, pushed back to N0, got town result.
BHK: Vigilante.
Killed roo N0.
Unclaimed:
TheDarkStar, Caz
The one player that has something more than a single action? Teneb. And one would expect mafia to have a bit more power per role than town...
It is LYLO -.-My statement that it's MYLO assumes that you're scum.
3 Town
2 Mafia
Technical LYLO.
Because that's pretty much the ripest time to cause a paradox. Night 0.Why? And seriously, why didn't you just save your AP? You could have waited until the massclaim now and modified actions based on what people claimed to cause a paradox... instead you just act at random?
Oh.But...he was obviously a non-party at that point? :/
I investigated Caz because of how much she supported Roseheart.
Yes but...that's the point. It may help a lot more to include everything I've done D2 to add into it. Like my whole claim there, and how it matches with Teneb being scum too.It is LYLO -.-My statement that it's MYLO assumes that you're scum.
3 Town
2 Mafia
Technical LYLO.
Why? And seriously, why didn't you just save your AP? You could have waited until the massclaim now and modified actions based on what people claimed to cause a paradox... instead you just act at random?WHY would anyone massclaim when most of my actions caused the thing happening today :-\
Also, that's quite a gamble. You ruined your chance of winning by spending all your AP at once. Maybe that could have worked, but it was a ridiculous gamble.That's...basically my point???
Basically I'm saying you're scum because your vote happened to align with Teneb's vote, and because you didn't play to your claimed wincon all that well when there's obvious better choices for how to do so. And I've already stated why I think Teneb is scum.Err...the orange bit doesn't make me scum because I apparently voted you; I've reasons why I picked you out, and those reasons aren't being acknowledged whatsoever (just because you dislike Teneb and go versus his claim of a cop, doesn't mean I am with him just because I voted you. Read it this way--in my perspective, his is more believable, because a fakeclaim from scum targets literally ANYONE and can mostly be right unless you hit a third-party. He picked a non-action, especially before me mentioning my actions)
because you didn't play to your claimed wincon all that well when there's obvious better choices for how to do so.Um ._.
If an action attempts to occur on a dead person, the action will basically do nothing. It won't be treated as failing completely, because if the target is later made to have been alive on the night the action would have otherwise occurred it will do so. There is no difference between this being voluntary or the result of someone else's interference. You can attempt to act on a dead person, but in most cases this means you're wasting an action unless someone else makes them have been alive for the result.How will acting on a dead person by time-shifting action occur?Tiruin, the fact that I'm not dead means that visiting a dead person doesn't cause a paradox. If I'm reading the rules right, paradoxes only happen when you have a set of actions that can't be resolved. Basically grandfather-type paradox stuff.TDS, the only reason why the paradox didn't work is because we're using the common action order. I know this because DA told me that in PMs. Which he didn't apparently make public :V
Deus Asmoth: Action order please. Public. Thankies.If you want more specifics, the resolution would typically go fast!other>blocks>protects>inspects/slow!other>kill>actions affecting dead players (though these actions wouldn't be blocked by a kill affecting their user on the same night).
What is the result on acting on a dead person?
What is the result on WILLING acting on a dead person?
Is there any difference between the two?
Can you act on a dead person? (ie Roo, as of now in this time)
If an action attempts to occur on a dead person, the action will basically do nothing. It won't be treated as failing completely, because if the target is later made to have been alive on the night the action would have otherwise occurred it will do so. There is no difference between this being voluntary or the result of someone else's interference. You can attempt to act on a dead person, but in most cases this means you're wasting an action unless someone else makes them have been alive for the result.>_>
Deus Asmoth: Is there any situation where, outside of roleblocks and kills and redirects and protects, a paradox can happen?Kill interactions do make up the bulk of the ones I was thinking of when the game was designed, yes.
Also for conciseness, why I'm voting FoU, in comparison to Teneb...Except this isn't in comparison to Teneb at all. It's just reasoning saying why either me or Teneb is scum(good reasoning), but it doesn't really compare me and Teneb at all.
Okay, you think scum is one of me and Teneb.You're probably not including the whole juicebox thing in the quote there. Alongside the note that given all this time, you're not pushing your case on Teneb AND INSTEAD VOTING ME. :PAlso for conciseness, why I'm voting FoU, in comparison to Teneb...Except this isn't in comparison to Teneb at all. It's just reasoning saying why either me or Teneb is scum(good reasoning), but it doesn't really compare me and Teneb at all.
And again, why are you pushing for a lynch when a no lynch will (slightly) increase the chance of fulfilling your win condition?Does 2 Mafia do 1 kill?
Two mafkills per night? O_oAll actions run off the same system. There was meant to be a balance put on it, but it should definitely have been the number of kills submitted on a given night that increased the cost of them, not the number that were actioned on a given night.
And that fakeclaim, kids, is why I'm top of the class.it was more that your competition didnt ping right either. If I was town (which I basically acted as in all but wincon), you were 1cm right next to being voted despite FOUs play.
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that was unbalanced right out :PTwo mafkills per night? O_oAll actions run off the same system. There was meant to be a balance put on it, but it should definitely have been the number of kills submitted on a given night that increased the cost of them, not the number that were actioned on a given night.
Balance comments:Basically this.
I agree that the scum were a bit too strong - one kill per night would have been enough.
It seemed really hard for Tiruin to win - it might have been better to give her a kill or at least a roleblock
Delayed actions didn't seem that useful; maybe make them cost less than just submitting a normal action?
That said, I liked the general set of rules and I would definitely play another game where time travel worked like this.
Also that wasnt good play, roseheart >_>
Alsoalso it was vitally important for people to remembrr the AP rules.
It didnt seem like many, did <_< or...this is a classic example of why it is important to also dayplay.
Annoyed I didn't get back before the day2 end but from what I can see even if I'd changed to help lynch Teneb TDS will have still put his vote on FoU. Shit even with a successful res we still lost, vigs need to not randomshoot.While BHK did randomshoot roo, so did TDS. So roo'd be dead anyway.
Attention was needed :P Yes.It made little sense to bet on something more theoretical than by what was given in such a span of time though, in my opinion.Balance comments:Basically this.
I agree that the scum were a bit too strong - one kill per night would have been enough.
It seemed really hard for Tiruin to win - it might have been better to give her a kill or at least a roleblock
Delayed actions didn't seem that useful; maybe make them cost less than just submitting a normal action?
That said, I liked the general set of rules and I would definitely play another game where time travel worked like this.
Totally called it on Teneb being scum. Pay no attention to Tiruin not being scum.
Thank you for the game Deus Asmoth.You could've done a lot better :-\
Annoyed I didn't get back before the day2 end but from what I can see even if I'd changed to help lynch Teneb TDS will have still put his vote on FoU. Shit even with a successful res we still lost, vigs need to not randomshoot.You have FoU, me, yourself, and BHK :P
Peeps talkin' smack.
It's a lot less that you won, and more on how you played :P Winning doesn't mean anything if the lead up to it wasn't as substantial, which would become more of a token win at that point.QuotePeeps talkin' smack.
I would LOVE to hear the STORY of the time you WON with 2 win CONDITIONS... and not even knowing WHICH side you are ON.
That said I think I had the best role in the game. I adored the challenge. *blush*!Glad you had fun though :D