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[Virtz]

Going along the story, it's really killing me that

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I cannot immediately (or ever?) ask the people at the Institute about the more questionable things they're doing. Like how their synths, covert or otherwise, are killing innocent people. Like wouldn't this be a pretty high priority when you're taken into the "big bad" organization?

This is like going to the Enclave and ignoring their whole mainland genocide thing and instead focusing on shit like "so you've got the president of the United States here, huh?". I'd really want them to at least try and convince me those things were accidents or not their doing, but instead I'm kinda just asked to ignore these things for the time being and hope it gets brought up eventually. It's killing me.

Similarly with the BoS. And the Railroad to some extent (although here I feel they're just too stupid to consider the consequences of their actions). And the New Vegas Legion. I'd really like to learn a faction's full ideology before I start doing stuff for them, especially if it's doing stuff against other factions.

[BFEL]

I was just attacked by a deathclaw mid conversation. FUCKING LIZARD. Just listening to what Danse has to say and then "DONG. DONG. DONGK AGH"

[Egan_BW]

All the factions are shitty in their own way, and you can join them, but you can't try to tell them to be less shitty?

[BFEL]

All the factions are shitty in their own way, and you can join them, but you can't try to tell them to be less shitty?

Pretty much.
The primary conflict of the game basically relies ENTIRELY on everyone involved having absolutely zero give in what they think.

Its the kind of thing that could probably be solved in about 10 minutes by sitting down and having a conversation in RL, but in vidyaland it can only be solved by choosing the least shitty of the diarrhea brigade and dumping on everyone else.

[Sergius]

I was just attacked by a deathclaw mid conversation. FUCKING LIZARD. Just listening to what Danse has to say and then "DONG. DONG. DONGK AGH"

https://youtu.be/jLfIC9njdfU

[Sensei]

So, is there a way to sell power armor frames? I've been taking them back to my village every time I find one, and now I have more than I could possibly need (namely one for me and one for a partner) unless I want to start turning all my settlers into space marines.

[Flying Dice]

Not yet. But given that they can be bought from vendors as an abstracted item, I imagine that'll be modded in soon.

I was just attacked by a deathclaw mid conversation. FUCKING LIZARD. Just listening to what Danse has to say and then "DONG. DONG. DONGK AGH"

https://youtu.be/jLfIC9njdfU

This? This is another perfect example of why dialogue that doesn't lock you into a freezeframe and menu is more interesting and dynamic.

[Aseaheru]

So, is there a way to sell power armor frames? I've been taking them back to my village every time I find one, and now I have more than I could possibly need (namely one for me and one for a partner) unless I want to start turning all my settlers into space marines.

Do what I do and make different ones for different situations.

Currently I have two decked out that way, one for when Im gonna chew on lasers and one for combat and talking.

[Gabeux]

I finally got around to finishing the game. Finished with level 71, I think.

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After doing a lot of quests for everyone, I got pretty disappointed that none of it mattered, and all I got was a video with a few seconds. It felt terrible.
I ended up going with the Railroad because I liked everyone there, and their 'dynamic'. But they are just as radical as all other groups.
It's pretty sad that all endings are static and bland as they can be. Then again, my mistake for expecting a well-made ending in a Beth game..however, it felt great on FO3.
This one felt rather awkward. I was forced to betray one of the factions I did a lot of quests for - Brotherhood or Railroad. They almost make you betray Minutemen and you have to betray the trust of your son if you don't want to simply tell everyone on the surface to fuck off.

Not being able to assassinate Maxson or cornering the Brotherhood to force a surrender or a peace treaty, or anything like that, is pretty sad. Even though the leadership of the BoS is stupid, it's all good people. It doesn't feel right to murder them just because you're Railroad.
Even though I get the point that everyone was pretty much lost and trying to stand their ground, it just feels forced that every one has to kill each other like the game force us to.
And I guess..that's always the point. The leaders make wars, don't give up on their ignorant/arrogant/self-righteous ways, and the good people, soldiers and innocents are the ones who pay.
Mutual Assured Destruction, "The world died again", that's the message they wanted to convey, I guess. Or it was just lazy writing, could be..

Still, good game - extremely time consuming for a static ending, but worth playing. I hope they make it even better in the months to come, and the modders will have A LOT of potential on this one.

PS: Reading what most people said, I thought the plot and the ending were going to be extremely horrible. I didn't think so.
I didn't get disappointed in the story in itself, but in the complete lack of influence by the player. You're a General, a Paladin, an Agent, a Lone Survivor and a fucking super-hero, but it feels you're on a pawn yet the supposed kings and queens are revolting AF. At least I'm relieved it's not actually "horrible", just awkward, weird, and uninspiring compared to previous games.

[Chiefwaffles]

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Did the Minuteman ending, which feels a bit more involved than what you're complaining about. Mainly the fact that it felt kind of like my forces were the ones that ended the Institution.
Though it was really just "Preston doing everything for me", but still, that counts!

But yeah. Some people complained that in FO3 you're too pivotal. In this you're just too unimportant. You find the son, then you decide to blow up the institution or, uh, something else that I also assume is equally 'bad' according to other people. Haven't done Institution ending.
And that's it. It's not even like the Institution is that bad. Sure, they abducted people, but if anything the Raiders are a bigger threat. and the Raiders aren't a piece of hope for the future.

Really, my main complaint is that your personal motivation (finding your son) really does not match up with what happens in the end. After your son is found, you help a faction because lel why not? That and it doesn't feel like you've impacted the Commonwealth nice. Even just a NV/FO1/FO2-type slideshow thing in addition to the ending cinematic would go a long way.

[Astral]

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I took off with the Institute, thinking, what the hell, I wasn't a fan of the Brotherhood's hamfisted approach to all technology ("We get all the good pre-war toys so you can't have them!"), the Railroad's "Liberate all the things! Including that toaster! It might be sentient!" approach, or the Minutemen, who I basically blew off first chance I got, as their ideal is decent, but the whole "shanghai you into being a General" thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I wasn't particularly fond of Shaun's reasoning behind going to kill the Railroad leaders, as they had helped me into the Institute in the first place, even if I hadn't pursued their quest line at all.

I was also fairly disappointed in the ending, after New Vegas' wrap everything up in a slide show you get "Blah blah blah, war never changes. Now go wander around more since we learned a little bit after Fallout 3." It's a bit more interactive in the ending, in that you're basically playing the sequence that leads up to it, but I suppose the portion that's considered the actual ending would basically be that fifteen second video.

The lack of overall options or influence of your actions on the plot could be a commentary in of itself, but I feel that they really skimped on that part. What happened to the companions I've traveled with? What about the settlements I've carved out of the wasteland, turning barren farms and abandoned buildings into thriving hubs of trade and agriculture?

I still enjoy the game, have sunk ~50 hours in it so far, and have a lot more exploring to do in post-apocalyptic Boston, but that'll be without shoehorning myself into a side. My original character ended at ~32, a squishy sniper. Now I'm running around with near maxed Strength and Endurance, stabbing people in the face with a knife while wearing a trench coat, fedora, and some goofy looking glasses, while taking all the drugs. It's a bit more rewarding of a playstyle, though I do believe I've lost Nick Valentine after the mental institution sidequest.

[Majestic7]

Beth is known for shitty writing, so expecting a good ending is like expecting gourmet meal in McDonalds. I think their focus in the game has clearly been just making looting and shooting fun, that's it. The plot is just an excuse to make those things happen. I bet they've been looking into percentages of people finishing games (and how many keep playing after finishing) according to Steam and concluded making a good ending is simply not worth it. Why put thought and time and money into it, if people will buy the next game anyway?

So yeah, hopefully Obsidian gets to make Fallout: Seattle or something which will the Fallout with an actual plot.

[MorleyDev]

I don't think writers at Bethesda have ever truly *understood* the way the other Fallout games ended. Elder Scrolls games, you play the epilogue. You walk around and are hailed as a great hero, praised as Nerevarine, see Paarthanax take control of the dragons. It comes at the price that you aren't told the future consequences of your actions.

Meanwhile Fallout 1, 2 and NV tell you the impact you've had on the wastes. 2 even let you have both worlds, still explore the wastes whilst telling you the future impacts, but it did have flaws (You can derail the predictions after all).

I don't think Bethesda's writers ever truly groked the why of that, so they stay with what's familiar.

[motorbitch]

Not yet. But given that they can be bought from vendors as an abstracted item, I imagine that'll be modded in soon.

I was just attacked by a deathclaw mid conversation. FUCKING LIZARD. Just listening to what Danse has to say and then "DONG. DONG. DONGK AGH"

https://youtu.be/jLfIC9njdfU

This? This is another perfect example of why dialogue that doesn't lock you into a freezeframe and menu is more interesting and dynamic.

i very much want the same for hacking and lock picking.
hey everyone, can we stop killing each other for a second? i have to loot some stuffs.

[BFEL]

Not yet. But given that they can be bought from vendors as an abstracted item, I imagine that'll be modded in soon.

I was just attacked by a deathclaw mid conversation. FUCKING LIZARD. Just listening to what Danse has to say and then "DONG. DONG. DONGK AGH"

https://youtu.be/jLfIC9njdfU

This? This is another perfect example of why dialogue that doesn't lock you into a freezeframe and menu is more interesting and dynamic.

i very much want the same for hacking and lock picking.
hey everyone, can we stop killing each other for a second? i have to loot some stuffs.

Its even more egregious if you do the loot pause on a corpse WHILE JUMPING/FALLING. "Yo gravity? Couldja let up so I can strip this corpse naked?"