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[Rolan7]

Eh?  You're an artist, just not visual art.
It's definitely already threatening your field, it's just harder to... (gosh what pun do I go with) visualize the problem?  AI-mashed drawings present the problem more dramatically and accessibly.

This is a threat to creative fields, IE art, in general.

[Strongpoint]

Wow. A twtter\reddit style rant. Mention it and you'll summon it.

Yes, I am happy that talentless and uncreative folk that produced shit will lose their undeserved status of some elite category of great talents doing magical things when in reality they used simple techniques from youtube tutorials, digital tools (many of which are also AI-powered ), referencing and outright theft fan fiction.

PS. Scrapping their crap did little good for the model unless it was properly tagged as "amateur, bad anatomy, bad hands, generic, pornorgraphic, etc". Then it was useful for negative prompting

[MaxTheFox]

It's definitely already threatening your field, it's just harder to... (gosh what pun do I go with) visualize the problem?  AI-mashed drawings present the problem more dramatically and accessibly.

This is a threat to creative fields, IE art, in general.

I mean, not really? There is already a deluge of utterly forgettable writing on every webnovel site. It wasn't easy to get publicity even before AI because people cranking out pages upon pages of isekai LitRPGs with cultivation will massively outproduce you and for some reason people flock to them. And most of those are human-made. God I can't wait for that fad to pass.

The real problem with AI writing is when it's passed off as guides, manuals, etc. Now that's something I despise because it leads to actual, direct harm like people getting poisoned because ChatGPT told them a plant isn't toxic when it is.

(btw I don't share Strongpoint's enthusiasm, I'm more being skeptical of it being a major threat in the first place than passing it off as good. I just don't feel threatened. Scraping? I mean, do I really care, it'll be lost and diluted to nonexistence amid the millions of cookie-cutter LitRPGs in the dataset anyways.)

[Rolan7]

Wow. A twtter\reddit style rant. Mention it and you'll summon it.

Yes, I am happy that talentless and uncreative folk that produced shit will lose their undeserved status of some elite category of great talents doing magical things when in reality they used simple techniques from youtube tutorials, digital tools (many of which are also AI-powered ), referencing and outright theft fan fiction.

PS. Scrapping their crap did little good for the model unless it was properly tagged as "amateur, bad anatomy, bad hands, generic, pornorgraphic, etc". Then it was useful for negative prompting

I'm seeing a lot of (I assume?) vitriol at me as a person, and CERTAINLY at artists, which is exactly what I'm pointing out.  Thanks.

If their work wasn't valuable then tech bros who gave up after half of one tutorial wouldn't be so gleeful about devaluing it.  Through legally-not-yet-recognized theft.

Also you may have missed some sarcasm.  The fascist idea of Great Men who emerge fully formed on the scene is actually nonsense?  Every artist has to practice (this is why AI bros gave up on actual creation and got jealous and larcenous, they are definitionally lazy).  By flooding the market with stolen low-quality art, you choke out a necessary market for inexpensive amateur art.

Then you don't develop the Great Artists who can draw the double-Ds just right, and then the larceny algorithm runs out of material, but tech bros (and... "people who consider art and artists decadent") ironically don't consider future consequences if they can fuck over people they don't like.

[Strongpoint]

  Every artist has to practice (this is why AI bros gave up on actual creation and got jealous and larcenous, they are definitionally lazy).  By flooding the market with stolen low-quality art, you choke out a necessary market for inexpensive amateur art.

1) There is no theft, analyzing copyrighted data and using the results of this analysis is just not theft.

2) It is of varying quality. Yes, easy-to-use tools tend to let people flood the internet with low-effort shit but there are many wonderful things made with the use of generative AI

3) As I said, the impact of images of those 'artists' in models is insignificant and, most likely, net negative. Most of the training data is either public domain or copyrighted by huge corporations - Dysney, Warner Media, etc. For some reason, they don't sue anyone...
Note that, let's say, a Twi'lek girl on someone's art also belongs to Disney because it is a copyrighted race.

4) Customers do win from an alternative source of being able to do the most simple stuff themselves. They also win from the fact that good rational artists can do more using those great new AI tools. Also, it is amazing when you don't have to buy stuff from people who consider you "jealous and larcenous". Despising people for merely not possessing your skills (especially when your own skills in the field are modest) is an appalling behavior.

5) "Fan fiction masters"* with no creativity will never become truly professional artists no matter how much experience they amass. AI is just a great new excuse for why they will fail.

* I have nothing against fan fiction or other derivative works... When they actually add something. Fan fiction sequel to a book - cool. Image of a character in an unusual style or with a strong message - cool. But most visual fan fiction doesn't go beyond simple copying. It is literally "Look! I made another porn version of *inserted copyrighted character*! I am so better than those plebs who have no time or motivation to learn the basics of drawing"

and then the larceny algorithm runs out of material, but tech bros (and... "people who consider art and artists decadent") ironically don't consider future consequences if they can fuck over people they don't like.

1) It is not how AI training works...
2) Existing models aren't going anywhere. Neither will they change. Stable Diffusion on my PC will stay the same if the internet disappears tomorrow
3) Synthetic data is not inherently bad. Proper tags matter. Note that it isn't even raw output. It is a filtered output.
4) Randomly scrapping data from the internet is the easiest and the cheapest way to get training data. It is also the worst one.