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Author Topic: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????  (Read 9009 times)

mithosaurion

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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2012, 12:10:07 pm »

Actually, elves can become necromancers.  In a recent world I found this tower.

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Those purple elves are all necromancers.
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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2012, 12:21:21 pm »

i think the purple elves are zombies and the human is the necromancer.
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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2012, 01:02:15 pm »

Looks like it. That's why I don't like graphic packs :C

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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2012, 01:09:34 pm »

The worst part about elves is that they're small and, unlike dwarves, they don't get a corresponding strength bonus.  As an adventurer, expect to get charged and knocked to the ground by every opponent. 

I assume Toady will get around to balancing them some day, but until then, it's easy enough to mod the RAWS. I used to give them a minimum natural skill in dodge to make them tougher opponents.
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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2012, 03:06:49 pm »

The worst part about elves is that they're small and, unlike dwarves, they don't get a corresponding strength bonus.  As an adventurer, expect to get charged and knocked to the ground by every opponent. 

I assume Toady will get around to balancing them some day, but until then, it's easy enough to mod the RAWS. I used to give them a minimum natural skill in dodge to make them tougher opponents.

If you look in the RAWS where Toady used +s and -s to show which races are better in which attributes, dwarves beat elves in strength and toughness by one +, where as elves beat dwarves in agility by two +s.  Agility is basically the most important stat, because once you hit someone once they're at a disadvantage, and agility is tied both to who hits first, who is more likely to hit, and how often you can act.  Elves also just have better attributes in general (more +s, and every Elf has literally perfect memory), which is balanced out by dwarves' [TRANCES] tag, which lets them make artifacts and enter martial trances.

In theory, the elves are balanced with the other races.  They have reasonable stats in the RAWS and in legends.  The problem is that in actual gameplay their wooden weapons can't even penetrate clothe, and they have no tactics besides running up and smacking you with them.  In the art rewards and threetoe stories, the elves have used poison, their alliances with various animal peoples, magic, friendly spirits, stealth and forest based tactics like attacking from positions atop trees, but none of these things are possible in game yet.
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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2012, 03:09:46 pm »

that means goblins have been demoted to kobold class enemies... the only difference being that they wear armor.
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Kobolds don't have whips and scourges, Elven Whelp.
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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2012, 03:45:50 pm »

elves dont suck, elven weapons and armor suck.
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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2012, 04:29:18 pm »

Elves can become vamps though, just saw one in hamlet. He was bragging about how he was a hunter once and has killed 74 humans. How.. inconcpicious.

As for racial advantages, Elves' perfect memory is useful for cave crawling.
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Re: Why do elves suck so much!!!!?????
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2012, 01:26:27 pm »

Just killed a dozen or so elven wererhinoes, so atleast the npc's can become werecreatures.

They also stop sucking right after they join a human civ and get metal weapons, so far the hardest fight in this adventure was an elven spearmaster armed with an iron spear.
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