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[scriver]

Hey, at least hopefully it'll show the states why such laws are bad ideas. Anyone up for a betting poll on how long it takes for North Dakota to realise it was a stupid idea?

[Sheb]

Well, it really depends on how it's enforced, since I don't think a "compelling interest" is well defined.

[Frumple]

How do law enforcers determine what beliefs are both religious and sincerely held, anyway? I'm not entirely sure how you'd identify either, unless you discriminate based on organization size in the case of the former and just take people's word for it in the latter case (which would be hilarious, in a sense.). "Why yes, your honor, it is my sincerely held belief that employees should not receive benefits, safe working conditions, or a living wage."

[Nadaka]

Think of the old school mormons who will be allowed to express their deeply held religious convictions regarding the pimping of 11 year old girls.

[Truean]

So basically, the church can overrule the state...? No literally, that's what this is. It's a broad based attempt at a theocratic takeover. Simply, all the state can really do is pass laws and with this, all religious people have to do is have a "sincerely held religious belief" and none of those laws apply anymore. Same with regulations and pretty much everything. They're almost becoming citizens of their religion where the state is subservient by the plain text of this law, because it becomes clear who trumps who.... 

That doesn't even get into the practical impossibilities of implementing this law. Starting with the big one, if someone starts a satanic cult can they perform human sacrifices? If someone believes religiously in "honor killings" (indian or islamic) can they do those. Or, if I'm a hard core christian can I literally put Leviticus into effect?

Hey, it's in the bible man, so you know that's legit....  You wore mixed fabrics, ate shellfish and pork, have a tatoo, and like 10 other things that book of the bible prohibits so clearly you get stoned to death and it's on your own head....

This law is completely impractical and just.... Nuts really.

[scriver]

"Honour violence" is a religious thing, Truean, it's cultural. It's just as prevalent among Middle East Christians as it is among Muslims, and not just "fundamentalists" either.

On satanists though, it would be funny if those "satanist" "religions" that basically just comes down to getting a mandate to be douchebags to people use this law as an excuse to constantly be, well, douchebags to people.

[Truean]

"Honour violence" is a religious thing, Truean, it's cultural. It's just as prevalent among Middle East Christians as it is among Muslims, and not just "fundamentalists" either.

On satanists though, it would be funny if those "satanist" "religions" that basically just comes down to getting a mandate to be douchebags to people use this law as an excuse to constantly be, well, douchebags to people.

Agreed partially, but you know that makes the point more clearly. Moreover, you know or really should know that if someone is accused of a crime and tries to use this as a defense then it will suddenly become religious or they'll turn up some old passage from somewhere to try and fit it into the religious category.....

[Glowcat]

That doesn't even get into the practical impossibilities of implementing this law. Starting with the big one, if someone starts a satanic cult can they perform human sacrifices? If someone believes religiously in "honor killings" (indian or islamic) can they do those. Or, if I'm a hard core christian can I literally put Leviticus into effect?

Pretty sure with humanity's track record there will be plenty of exceptions. Those being the desires of minority religious groups. Heck, this law itself is giving special rights that won't be granted to the non-religious anyway, so they might as well go the full distance in discrimination and enshrinement of privilege.

[Nadaka]

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-racists-attack-white-heritage-group-family-restaurant-003220721--abc-news-topstories.html

White supremacist meeting attacked by members of H.A.R.M. anti-racist organizations.

[JoshuaFH]

Never thought I'd feel bad for the White Supremacists, just minding their own business.

[Nadaka]

Never thought I'd feel bad for the White Supremacists, just minding their own business.

I still don't. White supremacists who were actively participating in a white supremacist meeting to actively further their white supremacist goals.

[Leafsnail]

They named their organization H.A.R.M?

[scriver]

Never thought I'd feel bad for the White Supremacists, just minding their own business.

I still don't. White supremacists who were actively participating in a white supremacist meeting to actively further their white supremacist goals.

Good for you! You are a fascist.

[Nadaka]

Really? How does that make me a fascist?

[Loud Whispers]

Steel batons and hammers.

I'm going to put on my thinking hat (tin foil make), and say it's another one of them gummiment conspiracies.