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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1244394 times)

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2025 on: June 26, 2012, 02:57:58 am »

I decided the 2000 post milestone was enough of a reason to change the title of the thread. "Expression" was just starting to seem like a slightly subpar word choice. I'll try to keep this title for even longer.

Runner-up title: PoH's Great and Gutsy 'Gressive Gabfest
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #2026 on: June 26, 2012, 03:38:06 am »

Mandatory sentencing of minors to life imprisonment without parole banned by the United States Supreme Court.

It's about time. That's even part of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (which of all UN member states only Somalia and the US have not ratified :()
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2027 on: June 26, 2012, 04:57:01 am »

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120625/12333619468/eu-commissioner-reveals-he-will-simply-ignore-any-rejection-acta-european-parliament-next-week.html

Maximum RAGE. This traitor is Belgian.

That's it, I'm mailling the local socialist party this evening and I'll enlist in the Pirate party.

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2028 on: June 26, 2012, 04:58:46 am »

That's it, I'm mailling the local socialist party this evening and I'll enlist in the Pirate party.

That's great :)
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2029 on: June 26, 2012, 05:09:30 am »

Well, I'm not surprised. It's standard European policy to have people vote again and again until they vote what the Governments and Commission want them to vote.

The ECT was voted down, so they re-wrote it and proposed it as the Lisbon treaty. It was voted down by the Irish, so they just had the Irish vote again. They had done that already with the Danes in 1992 for the Maastricht treaty (although they changed a couple stuff, so it's not such a flagrant disregard for democracy) and the Irish for the Nice treaty.

I'm not as familiar with the European Parliament, but I guess some examples of this kind of behavior must exist somewhere.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2030 on: June 26, 2012, 05:12:23 am »

Fuck the Union.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2031 on: June 26, 2012, 05:32:35 am »

The European parliament is nice, but right now we're in that weird situation were the EU is mostly controlled by the governments and their envoy (the commissioners), and is used as a scapegoat by the very same governments who pretends they're forced to impose the very same policies they've voted for at the European level.

The European Parliament is by and large a good thing, but the fact that in a lot of countries it's used as a way out for ageing politicians doesn't help. It also doesn't have nearly enough power.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2032 on: June 26, 2012, 10:46:10 am »

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120625/12333619468/eu-commissioner-reveals-he-will-simply-ignore-any-rejection-acta-european-parliament-next-week.html

Maximum RAGE. This traitor is Belgian.

That's it, I'm mailling the local socialist party this evening and I'll enlist in the Pirate party.

Let's Sopa that asshole.

Looks like this dude needs to be removed from power asap.
Club him with forms and procedures!

Wonder if this will get a protest going...
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Expression Thread
« Reply #2033 on: June 26, 2012, 11:03:38 am »

Mandatory sentencing of minors to life imprisonment without parole banned by the United States Supreme Court.

It's about time. That's even part of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (which of all UN member states only Somalia and the US have not ratified :()
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Article 37
a) No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or
punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be
imposed for offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age;
Ratifying a UN convention means nothing. Saudi Arabia, Iran, and China all execute and permanently imprison minors.

Anyway, this doesn't ban life imprisonment of minors. It bans making that a mandatory sentence.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2036 on: June 26, 2012, 02:12:04 pm »

Actually, I do wonder why they were shot. The article honestly makes it sound like this was probably significantly more personal than just someone who had a problem with their sexual orientation. The fact that one of them lived might leave a good chance of catching them if he was an acquaintance as well.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2037 on: June 26, 2012, 05:48:45 pm »

No link, 'cause I'm not really sure which news site to use and they screw up my iPad junker anyway, but heeey folks! Remember how we've talked about the potential downsides for allowing compensated organ donation in the past (possibly the last progressivism thread, I'unno)?

The states have passed a law saying that compensation for bone marrow donation is now legal. We've got precedence and we get to see if the dystopian possibility will become actuality.

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2038 on: June 26, 2012, 06:13:24 pm »

That discussion must've been before my time. Trying to think of downsides... Coercion, maybe? The black market already exists for organs, so I don't see a rise in organ theft happening (it might even go down due to competition).

The worst I could see would be people selling their bodies out of desperation to feed their family or whatever. 1) that can be made illegal so it wouldn't be any worse than it is now (would have to be done through black market), and 2) that's indicative of other economic problems if people can get that desperate at all.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #2039 on: June 26, 2012, 06:17:28 pm »

To be fair, bone marrow regenerates and is naturally present in excessive levels. Regularly selling your extra marrow is no more dangerous than regularly donating blood and/or blood plasma. It's not like they're asking you to sell them anything irreplaceable.
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