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kaijyuu

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3780 on: October 19, 2012, 05:36:58 pm »

That's a total non sequitur. How in the hell does any of that make them "not worth sympathy"?

Also it's a nice catch 22 with one of the earlier ones. Women are supposed to look for a life partner but men shouldn't be expected to keep them?
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« Reply #3781 on: October 19, 2012, 05:46:38 pm »

That's a total non sequitur. How in the hell does any of that make them "not worth sympathy"?
It isn't a non sequitur to them. They aren't being "proper women" by being barefoot and pregnant because they're "progressives" who just want to get sex out of good hardworking men and then abandon them or poison their marriage by becoming a mistress. Then they lose all their seductive charm and face their deserved fate as old single hags forever.

Not that different from how most conservative traditionalists anywhere see women who don't want to function as family slaves for men.
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« Reply #3782 on: October 19, 2012, 05:58:10 pm »

If you read the nytimes article it explains the background well. They're concerned that smart women aren't breeding enough. This really smacks of more of traditional right-wing thinking (genetic superiority/breeding = social superiority/success) than left-wing thinking (educational opportunities => success opportunities). My theory is that once any belief-system becomes entrenched ideology, then conservative thought processes takes over it's dissemination and justification, no matter what the core ideas were originally.

Since Chinese education is by definition socialist and perfect, any "remaining" inequalities can only be explained by the right-wing idea of genetic superiority. Once you're committed to the concept that you can determine genetic superiority based on social position, social eugenics becomes a no-brainer.

A much better solution than shaming single women, would be to allow 2 children when both parents have a university education. But that might sow discontent amongst the populace, so it's easier to demonize academic women who don't have the regulation 1 child.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3783 on: October 19, 2012, 06:12:50 pm »

I'm also confused about the thinking behind:

1)Men are allowed to have mistresses
2)Women aren't allowed to be mistresses

o_O

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« Reply #3784 on: October 19, 2012, 06:21:24 pm »

I'm also confused about the thinking behind:

1)Men are allowed to have mistresses
2)Women aren't allowed to be mistresses

o_O
As everyone knows Euld, male sexuality is good and a measure of success while female sexuality is bad and a measure of failure. Haven't you been paying attention at all?
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3785 on: October 19, 2012, 06:35:44 pm »

I have trouble grasping the logic behind double-minded double-standards at times  :P

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3786 on: October 19, 2012, 07:44:53 pm »

http://www.queerty.com/gop-senate-hopeful-supports-doma-dadt-but-says-hes-for-the-gays-20121019/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Queerty+Active&utm_campaign=Queerty+Daily+Newsletter

This is, clearly a publication for "teh gays." However, the video speaks for itself.

Mr. Mandel says he is for everybody, even gays, but he doesn't like any of our issues.... ???
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3787 on: October 19, 2012, 09:04:09 pm »

It's like he's trying to be as unappealing to each side as possible.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3788 on: October 19, 2012, 11:27:08 pm »

I'm also confused about the thinking behind:

1)Men are allowed to have mistresses
2)Women aren't allowed to be mistresses

o_O
As everyone knows Euld, male sexuality is good and a measure of success while female sexuality is bad and a measure of failure. Haven't you been paying attention at all?

Thus I propose that the only extramarital sex that is universally good, and which can rightly be sanctioned by the state, is man-to-man homosex.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3789 on: October 19, 2012, 11:28:34 pm »

Thus I propose that the only extramarital sex that is universally good, and which can rightly be sanctioned by the state, is man-to-man homosex.
I can't complain :P
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« Reply #3790 on: October 20, 2012, 12:17:51 am »

Nah I'm pretty sure China hates gay sex too, for its lack of reproductiveness o_O

Scary how much China's backwards ideals are frighteningly similar to the old hardcore prudish ideals the US had (and in some ways still has) to this day.

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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3791 on: October 20, 2012, 01:25:50 am »

Nah I'm pretty sure China hates gay sex too, for its lack of reproductiveness o_O
But homosex does one better than a one-child policy!
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3792 on: October 20, 2012, 03:40:47 am »

Boy Scouts of America has been hiding 50+ years of pedophile crimes, often comforting and getting counseling for the rapists while doing little for the victims and their families, and when a pedophile was actually persecuted they made sure the court documents never mentioned the rapist was a leader in Boy Scouts.

Good god.  My whole family has been involved in Boy Scouting, even as far back as my grandparents.

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« Reply #3793 on: October 20, 2012, 04:19:48 am »

Nah I'm pretty sure China hates gay sex too, for its lack of reproductiveness o_O

Scary how much China's backwards ideals are frighteningly similar to the old hardcore prudish ideals the US had (and in some ways still has) to this day.

Are you joking? China's government has a serious, nearly unethical obsession with reducing their population. They mandated the goddamn 'one child rule' ffs. No other country in the world does that. For all of China's government policies, they have equal rights for men and women, it's nothing at all like the USA in it's history.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #3794 on: October 20, 2012, 12:28:03 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JsRx2lois

This video renews my faith in humanity, also the preacher is actually a pastor.

He also runs a pretty cool blog.
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