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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1247413 times)

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4425 on: January 13, 2013, 09:20:27 pm »
Why bother with the messy business of murder when you can completely shut a person down with legal harassment and generally making their life a living hell?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4426 on: January 13, 2013, 11:41:53 pm »
Quote from: SalmonGod on January 13, 2013, 09:20:27 pm
Why bother with the messy business of murder when you can completely shut a person down with legal harassment and generally making their life a living hell?
until they have no hope left and commit suicide.

The man was hounded and driven until he couldn't take it any more.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4427 on: January 14, 2013, 05:13:01 am »
This showed up in my newsbox today: TPB AFK

Interesting...
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4428 on: January 14, 2013, 02:58:52 pm »
http://news.yahoo.com/boy-found-responsible-murdering-father-174217511.html

Kid is horribly abused by his father his whole life. And at 10, shoots the scum dead. They are going to hold the kid responsible for premeditated murder.

I am suffering from eye twitchy syndrome from reading this. That could have been me if shit went on a few years longer.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4429 on: January 14, 2013, 03:03:53 pm »
Follow the money or the military?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4430 on: January 14, 2013, 03:06:58 pm »
They still have to convince a jury. Good luck with that.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4431 on: January 14, 2013, 03:42:10 pm »
Well, he did kill his father. You kinda expect the prosecution to press murder charges in those case.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4432 on: January 14, 2013, 03:54:27 pm »
Quote from: Sheb on January 14, 2013, 03:42:10 pm
Well, he did kill his father. You kinda expect the prosecution to press murder charges in those case.

You grow up in a sufficiently abusive household and you know nothing but fear, pain and anger where your abuser has absolute control. Its a compromised mental state combined with ample justification. Even premeditated action is still a response to a persistent threat of harm and is still self defense.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4433 on: January 14, 2013, 04:02:20 pm »
I'm sympathetic (god KNOWS I'm sympathetic), but it is still murder. Not that I didn't fantasize about doing the same to my stepfather. In excruciating detail. At the age of 6.

But ultimately, it's an issue of personal responsibility. Abuse is a mitigating factor, not an excuse.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4434 on: January 14, 2013, 04:03:15 pm »
Is justifiable homicide a real thing or has TV been lying to me?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4435 on: January 14, 2013, 04:03:34 pm »
Quote from: MonkeyHead on January 14, 2013, 04:03:15 pm
Is justifiable homicide a real thing or has TV been lying to me?
Yes.
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« Reply #4436 on: January 14, 2013, 04:06:05 pm »
Quote from: Darvi on January 14, 2013, 04:03:34 pm
Quote from: MonkeyHead on January 14, 2013, 04:03:15 pm
Is justifiable homicide a real thing or has TV been lying to me?
Yes.

So I assume the defense will be aiming at that then, correct?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4437 on: January 14, 2013, 04:06:28 pm »
My questions are:

Did he have any other recourse available to him, and if so, why didn't he take them?

I'll accept some sort of self defense if the kid really had no other way out. Otherwise...
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4438 on: January 14, 2013, 04:07:38 pm »
Quote from: MonkeyHead on January 14, 2013, 04:03:15 pm
Is justifiable homicide a real thing or has TV been lying to me?
Depends who you ask really. The state generally seems to think so under certain circumstances... such as if you're a soldier and they're an enemy combatant, or if they're a clear threat to your life... or if they happen to be black and look suspicious.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4439 on: January 14, 2013, 04:09:56 pm »
He's too young to be fully responsible for his actions, really (an abusive upbringing which taught him it was ok to kill doesn't help).  What he needs is serious psychological help.
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