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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5640 on: April 22, 2013, 01:49:12 am »

A congressman from Colorado tried to add a last-minute amendment to CISPA that would ban employers from requiring employee's social media passwords as a condition of employment.  It was knocked down.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5641 on: April 22, 2013, 02:55:41 am »

Wait. What. Did you write that correctly? Because. What the hell.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5642 on: April 22, 2013, 03:00:17 am »

Oh good, I wouldn't want something smart like that tacked onto CISPA.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5643 on: April 22, 2013, 03:03:26 am »

Wait. What. Did you write that correctly? Because. What the hell.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5644 on: April 22, 2013, 03:07:40 am »

A congressman from Colorado tried to add a last-minute amendment to CISPA that would ban employers from requiring employee's social media passwords as a condition of employment.  It was knocked down.

Oh my god =(
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5645 on: April 22, 2013, 03:45:29 am »

In case you guys didn't know, employers have been doing this to people for at least 5-6 years.  It's not common, by my understanding, but it happens.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5646 on: April 22, 2013, 03:48:59 am »

Can employers also demand a copy of your house keys as terms for employment?

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« Reply #5647 on: April 22, 2013, 03:52:57 am »

No, I know.  I've heard people say it's necessary for security jobs, to which I always figured I'd say "I think that giving you my password would disqualify me for the position, personally."

But that would be too logical.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5648 on: April 22, 2013, 04:00:35 am »

Ok, I was a little worried for a second. Well I still am worried, but at least employers aren't holding peoples homes hostage.
But seriously, this is bullshit.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5649 on: April 22, 2013, 04:16:22 am »

When do you get to be "not at work"?
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« Reply #5650 on: April 22, 2013, 04:21:49 am »

When do you get to be "not at work"?
When you're on disability. :P
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« Reply #5651 on: April 22, 2013, 04:33:12 am »

Ask the company for the admin password to their server. Fair's fair, after all.

When do you get to be "not at work"?
When you're on disability. :P

Employers these days love to make you sign NDA's and agreements that on your own time you're still responsible to the company, even saying in some contracts that anything you create in your own time, is company property. But if you get injured or some other bad thing during your own time, good luck trying to get your company to help pay the medical bills.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5652 on: April 22, 2013, 04:45:30 am »

When do you get to be "not at work"?
When you're on disability. :P

Employers these days love to make you sign NDA's and agreements that on your own time you're still responsible to the company, even saying in some contracts that anything you create in your own time, is company property. But if you get injured or some other bad thing during your own time, good luck trying to get your company to help pay the medical bills.
Playing devil's advocate here, that actually makes sense for many companies given current copyright law. If a company's trade is IP, they need to make damn sure they've lawyered up, since any one of their employees could just as easily apply their IP without the development costs. Be it code, design ideas, ect.

So in that regard, it does make sense assuming you take current copyright law as being sensible. :P
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5653 on: April 22, 2013, 04:52:40 am »

Not really.  It would be illegal for an employee to make personal use of a company's IP in the same way it would be for anybody else.  So they're not really covering anything there that isn't already.  All it allows them to do is prevent their employees from doing anything creative for fun or for their own personal benefit on their free time.  It can get really shitty, too.

Let's say you're an artist working for a company and you've signed one of these agreements.  You want to be independent, but you can't afford it.  So you work on your own projects in your free time while working for this company.  Eventually you finish your projects and think you can launch your independent career, so you quit your job and commercially release your own work that you made completely by yourself on your own time with resources you paid for.  If the company you worked for can provide evidence that you produced this work while you were employed with them, they can claim it as their intellectual property according to your contract.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #5654 on: April 22, 2013, 05:19:38 am »

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