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[Toady One]

I removed the most recent discussion.  The source in the happy/rage threads was not a stable enough foundation to pretend to have a friendly conversation here.

[penguinofhonor]

Not a very promising start to my vacation. I won't be on the forums very much in the next week, so try to keep it a little more chill than normal.

[scriver]

...But it's so hot these days.

[kingfisher1112]

"The Charitable-Industrial Complex".

Please read this fantastic article.  It is a treasure.

I read this as: "Capitalism and America are responsible for Africa's problems"

[scriver]

And I assume you disagree?

[kingfisher1112]

And I assume you disagree?

Of course. It's my self appointed job to disagree with almost everything anyone posts in GD.

[GlyphGryph]

Come on, Scriver. You know as well as I do that it's Europe, not America, that is responsible for most of Africa's problems.

[kingfisher1112]

Come on, Scriver. You know as well as I do that it's Europe, not America, that is responsible for most of Africa's problems.

I think it's more Africa that's responsible for Africa's problems.

[scriver]

Come on, Scriver. You know as well as I do that it's Europe, not America, that is responsible for most of Africa's problems.

Well, it is. Add "and the EU" behind "Capitalism and America" and you have the correct statement.

And yes, if the EU did not exist it would just be Europe there in it's stead.

[kingfisher1112]

Come on, Scriver. You know as well as I do that it's Europe, not America, that is responsible for most of Africa's problems.

Well, it is. Add "and the EU" behind "Capitalism and America" and you have the correct statement.

And yes, if the EU did not exist it would just be Europe there in it's stead.

Right, so, name problems that couldn't be fixed by African governments or prevented in the first place caused by the EU and America.

[GlyphGryph]

Considering that Europe set up most of those African governments AND the power structures that support them AND the countries themselves most of the time AND created the situation that led to their rise in power of all the others, most of which came about from revolutionaries trying to overthrow European rule... I'd be guessing it's because they don't WANT to fix them. Europe set them up but good, and even though it sucks for the people of Africa the governments tend to be pretty well off!

The other sources of Africa's problems are a helluvalot of superstition and religious conflict, and the fact everyone with the power to change it benefits from Africa being terrible in some way or another.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I'm not sure why you would put the blame on the EU. While they haven't done much to help the situation, the root of Africa's problems from Europe significantly predates the EU.

Africa ultimately ended up like it did because it was hit by the resource curse far harder than anywhere else on the planet. Everything else is history and circumstance stemming from this.

[Owlbread]

Now this is vague, but I remember hearing quite a long time ago that most of France's former colonies in Africa are under a carefully cultivated sphere of French influence. Besides the obvious linguistic situation I'm trying to remember something about these African national banks being controlled or heavily influenced by France, meaning that, basically, if France says jump they ask how high.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's no secret that France was hesitant to decolonize. The Vietnam War probably wouldn't have happened if not for that.

[Owlbread]

I thought the whole Malian situation smelled a bit of that sort of thing.