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Neonivek

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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #3900 on: September 18, 2014, 04:03:30 am »

Response to Glowcat...

If you don't read it Glowcat I am sorry for Taunting you. No matter the reasons I shouldn't have done it.

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My feelings on the "Men should be Macho" article

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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #3901 on: September 18, 2014, 04:14:41 am »

Hoff sommer and most "anti feminist" only oppose part of recent feminism.

Personally, I like her a lot.
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #3902 on: September 18, 2014, 04:18:59 am »

Hoff sommer and most "anti feminist" only oppose part of recent feminism.

Personally, I like her a lot.

I honestly was expecting a lot worse from that Macho article... I was groaning going "Ohh gawd, now I have to defend someone who probably had an idea that men should act like men form the 1950s..."

I'll have to give it a closer look as well as the full video she is referring to. It might be enough to make a "Male Gender Roles" thread. Which to prevent the whole "Men talking about men problems is misogyny" issue, would need a lot of actual information posted in order to work and sustain itself.

Though maybe when I read closer I'll find out no... it was in fact terribly sexist... but if not, I might actually have to pay more attention to her. Since the only Feminist I follow for reasons that I like their reasoning, is a Economic Feminist who has LONG since retired and I haven't checked but she even could be dead (She is absolutely fascinating, she basically tried to devise a way to give value to work that is typically for women by measuring it economically through a system other then money, which is time. Though while I say that, she didn't just primarily work in the field of Feminism, her work feels rather incidental. I feel her main struggle was trying to find systems of worth that economics doesn't put value on... I should read more up on her, I only read two articles and a video on her). I mean, sorry but... so far so good.

Did I ever mention I dislike the 1950s?
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« Reply #3903 on: September 18, 2014, 04:56:04 am »

Yeah I looked up anti-feminism after what you wrote Covenant because I assumed that anyone opposed to feminism as a whole was "anti-feminist" but apparently no (So I haven't met any anti-feminists). Anti-feminist means is against women's rights basically (and YES I do hold that there is a distinction between disliking feminism and disliking female rights... In the same way that there is a difference between disliking Socialism and disliking human decency)

Opps... teaches me about assuming a definition based around how people use it instead of looking it up.

So yeah... Nothing there suggests anti-feminism.

I'd need something a bit more convincing to be convinced that CH Sommers is... well... invalid... Then a fair video and a fair article... Does she have something worse?
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #3904 on: September 18, 2014, 05:08:54 am »

I've just been banned on 4chan, for posting on a GamerGate thread on /v/. The censorship is going that far.
I've been lurking on /v/, too, and I really have no idea what happened there. They just suddenly started deleting all the gamergate threads and banning people. No message from anyone about why. And the 4chan feedback page was deleted, along with the email links to the site owner, Moot. It isn't really even a competent effort at censorship.

Chinizz: From what I heard, a particular mod on /v/ has taken the opportunity of moot being gone for a couple of days to ban any and all GamerGate threads. He apparently posted with his mod tag and outright admitted it (in the 'Screw you guys, no GamerGate discussion for you until Moot gets back you sexist manbabies' vein).
That's one theory, but given that this is 4chan and I've seen like four theories, each more insane than the last, I'm inclined not to believe anything until someone makes some kind of official statement.
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« Reply #3905 on: September 18, 2014, 06:33:10 am »

Chinizz: From what I heard, a particular mod on /v/ has taken the opportunity of moot being gone for a couple of days to ban any and all GamerGate threads. He apparently posted with his mod tag and outright admitted it (in the 'Screw you guys, no GamerGate discussion for you until Moot gets back you sexist manbabies' vein).
That's one theory, but given that this is 4chan and I've seen like four theories, each more insane than the last, I'm inclined not to believe anything until someone makes some kind of official statement.

A wise approach. I should have said that I did see a screen capture of the aforementioned mod making the post on the 16th. It could have been a fake, of course.
I stopped trusting screencaps as soon as I realised how easy they were to fake.
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« Reply #3906 on: September 18, 2014, 01:54:15 pm »

Yeah I don't know what to think of Gamergate at this point anyhow...
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Re: Only two posts on 'Tropes vs Women in Video Games'
« Reply #3907 on: September 18, 2014, 02:38:38 pm »

I stopped trusting screencaps as soon as I realised how easy they were to fake.

Text screencaps has always been easy to fake. You should always look at them with sceptism especially on topic subject to a lot of controversy.

Edit: Obvious me is obvious.
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« Reply #3908 on: September 18, 2014, 05:08:43 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FlVaHXqaQg
Interesting livestream about this whole thing. Bunch of random redditors, as well as TotalBiscuit, MundaneMatt, and a moderator from r/gaming.

There are about 1,450 people watching it at the moment.
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« Reply #3909 on: September 18, 2014, 05:42:54 pm »

Welp, it just hit 2k viewers.
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« Reply #3910 on: September 18, 2014, 05:52:23 pm »

I'm one. The consensus so far seems to be "Gaming is fine as is. Regular gamers don't care about their characters' sexuality/gender. Only gameplay matters. This is the next 'violence in video games' controversy."
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« Reply #3911 on: September 18, 2014, 05:56:50 pm »

I'm one. The consensus so far seems to be "Gaming is fine as is. Regular gamers don't care about their characters' sexuality/gender. Only gameplay matters. This is the next 'violence in video games' controversy."
Yeah, pretty much. Hell, I just want to play my damn video games, why do we need politics involved?
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« Reply #3912 on: September 18, 2014, 06:00:10 pm »

I can't wait for the Horde primaries.
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« Reply #3913 on: September 18, 2014, 06:01:42 pm »

The big problem is even among the majority of gamers who DO care about sexuality and gender.

They don't care AS much as a lot of this political diatribe. They want Videogame women to stop having super huge boobs, but few of them would ever say that they are genuinely "hurting women". They want more women in videogames but they wouldn't say they are "excluding women". They think these things are incredibly contrite, aggravating, and stupid but they wouldn't say they are outrageous or hate-worthy.

And honestly I think it is far more worthwhile for gamers to voice their groans and moans to the stupidity in videogames... and I am more charged then that... but I do not believe Anita's videos have had any positive impact in gaming, I do not think the "getting people to think" her videos created have been beneficial at all.

Because Anita isn't about making better games and her videos are just negatively charged. They want people outraged more than they want people thinking.

What should be a call for people to come together and think of their buying choices or their values as far as gaming is concerned seems to just be turning more and more ugly.

But who knows MAYBE that is just for now.
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« Reply #3914 on: September 18, 2014, 06:19:00 pm »

Welp, Tynan Sylvester, developer of Rimworld, is on the stream. I had no idea he was so well-spoken.
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