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[Empiricist]

That depends, are we talking about anti-magic as in the thing that fucks up magic and prevents its usage, or antimagic as in void?

In the first case, it usually just cancels it out, unless the anti-magical field has an exception for that kind of magic, though I suppose it could cut a powerful spell down to a weaker, more appropriate size.

In the second case, they tend to fuck each other (in a different way to the God of Creation and the God of Void) but can be used together if done right. Doesn't generate anything 'pure', but can be used without destructive interference.

[Empiricist]

From my understanding, there isn't any "pure" supernatural force, though it is possible to get something pure from some domains.
The former PC, Shys'm Caes wielded pure Creation.
The NPC, Void (yeah, @Ragnarok never bothered giving him a name) wields pure Void (though I don't think he ever used it).
I don't think pure persona are possible unless you fuck around with the collective unconscious and archetypes seeing as they tend to be locked to their user.
Fate was available by proxy but now due to it's agents being abandoned, is available only in pure form.
Wall Street isn't available in pure form as it's abilities are broken down into set categories.
The Gallery's magic seems to only ever be used in pure form.
Not sure what a pure superpower would be. Probably not possible.

[smurfingtonthethird]

As Creation and Void seem to be opposing forces, I thought combining them would make something... explosive, like matter + antimatter.

Alright, we should work out the kinks in the prototype system, whatever they may be.

[Akroma]

Okay, time to write up the complete system, and then wait for all the dozens of comments what needs to be changed because I am such a fool.

Spoiler: Stats (click to show/hide)

In this stat-system, the stats a completely average human would have are set to 5. This is for referance when stating your own character, but also combat encounters. There are 8 (optional: 9) stats in the system, meaning a perfectly average human has a pool of 40 points. Depending on just how high the GM wants the powerlevel to be, I suggest a pool of starting stats of 100. To clarify, all rolled dice depend on the skill. If you have 7 strength, you roll a d7


Optional rule: Depending on which stat on a character is the highest, he gains a perk based on that stat. This serves to further differentiate characters from eachother, but needs a bit of review regarding how powerful the perks are. Of course, you can suggest own perks. If two stats are the same level, pick one.


Health:

This stat represents your vitality. It grants you 3 (optional: 4) hitpoints per point in this stat, and also dictates your rate of regen. Any regen phase, which is usualy a good nights sleep, or simply whenever the GM acknowledges that you have time to regenerate health, you regen twice your health stat. That means if you were close to death, you'd need about 3 days of rest to be back to full. Not realistic, because this is a game and all, but also not so miraculously quick that grave wounds are without consequence - you may stumble into the next encounter with less than optimal health if you do not watch out. Professional medical care can boost the regen to 3 times your health stat. And I mean professional, making sense with the caretaking chars background. Just bandaids and clumsily applied bandages with a bit of antiseptic salve is nice and all, but will only do something if the GM in question feels generous. More on this stat below under Combat.

Optional: Possible perks: Regen happens in shorter phases or no medical care is needed or death treshold (more on that later) is increased or one point in health is now worth 4 Hitpoints.



Mana:

How big of a vessel for energy you are. It grants you 2 (optional: 3) manapoints per point in this stat, and also dictates your rate of regen. A regen phase is about 12 hours without using mana, and regens your Mana by as many points as the stat is high. So a complete nights rest should get you back to full mana, and unless encounters or times where you use mana come in rapid succession, you will not entirely run out.


SUGGESTED UPDATE: Mana regen halved

Possible perks: regen of mana during combat 1 point every 5 rounds or one point of mana is now worth 3



Speed:

How fast you are. This stat is used for dodging, but also for chases and of course when the GM feels now is an appropriate time to use it. When you are dodging multiple enemies in succession, you gain a penalty of -1 on each successive dodge. This penalty resets between hits. Dodging AoE attacks get's a penalty of -2 per size category.

Possible perks: If your speed is at least 5 points higher than your targets speed, you can dual attack him or if your speed is at least 5 points greater than your target, dodging them does not cause a penalty for successive dodges or you can attack two different targets each round, but in that case only deal 60% damage to both



Skill:

How good you are at aiming, timing your attacks or going for blindspots. This is also the skill that is used to roll on for mundane skills, like crafting and whatever else, if the GM feels it is appropriate.

Possible perks: if the optional rule for critical hits, see below, is active, and your skill is at least 5 points higher than the target, your critical hit chance increases from 5% to 20% or if your skill is at least 5 points higher than the targets, you can aim at weak spots in their armor (if that exists?) to ignore 2 points of damage reduction



Strength:

How good you are at dealing physical damage. Yes, I know, being super buff should not affect your damage if you use a gun, BUT we are looking for unified system, with clear rules. So you better be lifting son. Note, this does not necessarly have to mean you are incredibly buff. If you want to deal tons of damage and still play something that is frail and not muscular at all, this is roleplay - feel free to roll strength checks for lifting the huge boulders badly on purpose.

Possible perks: When grappling an enemy, he needs to roll at least 5 points higher than you to escape your grapple or if you strength is at least 5 points higher than the enemies defence, ignore two points of damage reduction or your unarmed attacks deal 2 points more damage



Defence:

How good you are at minimizing damage to you. This may mean you have thick scales or are a robot made of steel, but also that you know how to properly brace yourself before a hit, to prevent that a bullet that otherwise might have been lethal hits anything too important.

Possible perks: If your defence is at least 5 points higher than the enemies strength, the incoming damage is reduced by 2 or physical AoE damage is decreased by 25%



Magic:

How powerful your magical abilities are, and how adept at using them. For the sake of unifying the game, magic covers all supernatural abilities, no matter wether it is actual magic, or a superpower. Wether or not Personas use the same stat or are so radicaly different, I barely care. Only one person uses them, and in fact, does not use them for anything other than the healing spell, and instead has technology skills that definetly classify as a superpower. I will leave this for others to figure out. More on this stat in the magic section.

Possible perks: Your spells are more mana efficent (-1 cost), or simpler to cast (TN -1) or have less drawbacks


Resistance:

Works exactly the same as defence, but against the supernatural.

Possible perks: As with defence

Spoiler: Combat (click to show/hide)

Combat innitiative is determined by the speed stat. When you attack someone, you roll skill vs the targets speed, if you rolled higher, you hit. Damage is calculated by you rolling strength+(weapon, more on that later), vs the enemies defence (+possible extra armor). Simple.
For magic the same, assuming it is a kind of magic that needs to be aimed and that can be dodged, skill vs speed, and then mag vs resistance. Depending on how much mana you use, the mag score will be increased, more on that on magic.

Should someones health fall to 0, that character is unconscious, probably heavily bleeding. His allies now have [health] turns time to perform any sort of CPR or live saving measures on him. This takes no roll, however while doing so, you are an easy target, and prone to interruption. Maybe you wanna kill the demon first and CPR then? Maybe someone should cover you? Should health fall below 0, you have that much less turns to save the wounded allies live. Wether he was saved or not, that character is out of combat.

Spoiler: Magic (click to show/hide)

Magic is split into categories, starting from negliable, small, medium, big, enormous, epic. To be able to cast medium spells, one needs to have a mag of at least 6, 9 fof big, 12 for enormous, 15 for gigantic, higher categories may exist.

Negliable skills cost no mana, and are mostly flavour. This also covers a basic magic attack, that does nothing besides rolling on mag for damage. They require no roll to be succesfully cast, except skill if it need to be aimed.

Small skills cost 2 mana. That's either attacks that deal more damage (mag*1.5 is rolled here), or add side effects, like setting the enemy on fire to do damage over time, or adding a small AoE etc.

Medium skills cost 3 mana, and you either need to beat a TN of 3 on mag, or the spell could come at a minor drawback. Mag*2 for damage

Big skills cost 5 mana, and you need to beat a TN of 6 on mag to pull them of, or a TN of 3 alongside a minor drawback, or no TN, but two drawbacks. Mag*2.5 for damage


Enormous cost 7 mana, and need a TN of 9, or 6 with drawback, 10 mana, TN of 12 etc for bigger, you see how the categroies increase

If the TN is not met, it is reduced by 3 if you try to continue casting the same spell next turn
 
A charsheet should provide ample amount of examples what theirt abilities would do in each category, and the GM needs to look those over carefully.

Examples of drawbacks: Deal a d3 of damage to the caster, cost 1 more point of mana, is immobile while casting. A turn to charge the attack counts as two consecutive immobilisations, so that's two drawbacks. You can always come up with more, customise your character.

Summoning:
Negliable: some cute critter of no actual use apart from being cute, and possibly distracting
Small : 25 stat base
Medium: 50 stat base
big: 75 stat base
enormous: 100 stat base
gigantic: 125 stat base
even bigger: 150 etc etc

The summoning itself takes 1 turn, with the summon being ready to act on the next turn. For enormous summons, there is a delay of 1 turn while the summon manifests itself. The character that summoned it can already act that turn, Gigantic 2 turns delay, etc etc

Summons remain for as many turns as you have rolled over the TN, example, for an enormous summon, with a TN of 9, summoned with a mag roll of 11 stays only 2 turns. It is generaly recommended to decrease the TNs and add drawbacks instead

Spoiler: Equipment (click to show/hide)

As magic attacks are mostly about huge burst damage, physical attacks are more about steady, but comparatively lower damage, but comes at no drawback. Your damage is defined by your strength roll, of course, but also by your mode of attack, which is determined by the quality of your weaponry. The values here mean *on average*. A bit of variation is entirely okay if the GM allows it.

Unarmed: no bonus. Note that dragons, clawed things, things that are permanently on fire etc etc do not count as unarmed.

Normal: +3, your everyday weapon that is really nothing special. A PC could likely make or aquire such a weapon with no problems whatsoever

Good: +5, a weapon that has recived some fine tuning, or is in other ways above average. Aquiring these should cost money, which should be finite, or proper skill in weapon making, that is not only your skill stat must be high, it should also fall in line with your background.

High quality: +7, these are usualy rare, and probably won't be found in a store, but more in the grave treausres of some ancient warrior or whatnot. Characters are unlikely to be able to make these easily.

Masterwork: +9, does not get better than this. A character should have real trouble getting his hands on one of these babies.

One time use: Explosives etc, that you can only carry a very finite amount with you deal between +5 (for grenades, added AoE), to +10 (RPG) damage.

As far as the effects of enchanting does, that really depends on the enchant, but a pure damage enchant would probably add a +2.

Optional: For further customisation, there could be a distinction between light, medium and heavy weaponry. Light weaponry (daggers etc) deals 1 point less damage on average, but grants a bonus of +1 on the skill roll to hit, while heavy weaponry (huge ass hammer) deals 1 damage more, but reduces skill by 1, as it is easier to dodge.

Armor:
no armor +0, light +1 defence, medium+3 but -1 speed, heavy +5 but -2 speed and -1 skill.

as for other items, like the speed increasing 3D gear, or whatever you want, the above guidelines give a good idea how much stuff can give. Of course, the GM decides alone wether something is allowed or not. For already existing gear that carries over, they may be subject to rebalancing. As far as new starting gear goes, the GM decides how much one should be allowed. Equipment that increases Mag should be incredibly rare, as it would snowball most likely.

I think this is it. I will try to figure out summoning rules soon, but as only Alucard seems to be using that, it's less of a problem, as the stuff he summons falls into my lore expertise, so I can decide upon what category a summon is in. Bigger summons may need to be sustained through a continous mana cost though




now, feel free to make adjustments to this system or make your own and whatnot. When enough time has passed, voting will happen

[smurfingtonthethird]

Hmm, maybe have a singular defense skill instead of two? It'd make combat a bit easier, especially if an attack is a combination of physical and magical attacks.

[Akroma]

singular defence makes minmaxing super easy. The purpose of having two is that it makes it very difficult to cover all bases. With just one defense stat, you put that very high and are safe from all forms of attack. Have two, and either you are weak to one form of attack, or you put both of them high, meaning your other skills will fall short

[smurfingtonthethird]

True. Then can we integrate defense into other skills? Less stats is always good.

[Akroma]

very against it. from the start, the problem was some skills doing way more than others, and just pumping them up would make you nearly invincible.

[smurfingtonthethird]

Hmm...

Well, there's no skill that seems to dominate the others, so it should be fine.

[Akroma]

so, assuming we will use this system, I already have Icarus statted. If maybe someone else will try and do their character, for a test battle? For testing Purposes, assume 80 pool, and Items worth 4-8 points, really depends on your tastes.

I.C.A.R.U.S (Independant Combat And Rescue Utility System)


An original project by IRIS and DARPA to create the ultimate weapon for the fight against the supernatural, 7 Prototypes were built and distributed around the world for testing purposes. Through interactions of remnant magic from Winries technomancy and Kyles supernatural fertility when he tried to update ICARUS programming, a sort of electronical spirit was sparked into life, which slowly but surely grew more intelligent, eventually sentient, and even obtained a soul. This spirit, Icarus, marks the beginning of an entirely new age of supernatural phenomena, but is sadly entirely reliant on a sufficently advanced computer to sustain her existance.



Currently lives with Alice in Calais, trying to not draw too much attention, as previous events that maaaay be interpreted as a terrorist attack forced her to abandon the ICARUS-05, and go into hiding with the PIXEL-01. That doesn't stop her from going out at night and beating up criminals. She just can't help it, it's part of her nature. She also has taken up hacking, and is showing quite a talent for it, understanding systems better than most humans could. The PIXEL has various cables that can be used to gain access to systems, should a port be found, and has little trouble wirelessly accessing W-Lan, or even tinkering with mobile phones.



Stats (100)

Health:         14 - 42 HitPoints
Mana:           11 - 22 Mana
Speed:          16 (17)
Skill:             15
Strength:       13 (16)
Mag:              9
Defence:        13 (14)
Resistance:     9

Perks: (I guess they carry over from v2?): Brisk - Speed roll is increased by +1 when dodging
Statperk: Speed - Dual attack on two targets at 60% damage, calculated after damage reduction

Equipment:
PIXEL-01: A body created by Winry, which at least while dressed, looks human. Made for intermingling with society and evading law enforcement.

Robot-Fists +3 on damage on "unarmed" attacks. Concealed weaponry that pretty much looks like normal fists, but quite suprise when you notice they have a steel skelleton
Normal Handgun, +3 on damage, ranged, 10 shots in magazine, unregistered.
Steel-Frame (light armor) +1 on damage reduction
Weak to electricity, weak to acids, immune to poison, Overdrive is locked at small acts. Overdrive in this body can increase Str, Spe, Skl.


ICARUS-05: A body created by Winry in cooperation with IRIS and DARPA, after recent events, is locked up at the headquarters of Interpol in Lyon (that's where the HQ really is. Convenient coincidence that our old base is not far from there)

Orichalcum high-frequency blade, +4 on damage, ignores 1 point of armor. Increased damage against the divine.
Silver Particle Cannon, +2 on damage, magical damage, allows the increase of mag through Overdrive
Boron-Nitrate-fiber Armor +2 on damage reduction
High torque cyclonic barrier, when activated allows the increase of Def with overdrive.
Weak to electricity, resistant to fire, immune to poison, Overdrive is locked at medium acts. Overdrive can increase Str, Spe, Skl, Mag, Def.


HYDRA-01: A body designed by DARPA, and ICARUS by faking the identity of various designers that worked from home. Not built yet.


Ability: Overdrive. Icarus sends energy into her systems to for a short time, greatly increase her combat abilities. Not all stats can be buffed, details in backstory. Because her current body, the PIXEL-01 is not the high tech military hardware she used to pilot, her abilities are currently locked at minor acts, until the ICARUS-05 (medium) and/or the HYDRA-01 (big) have been attained

Negliable: Sensors. Unless whatever Icarus is scanning is actively shielded against scans, her Sensors can gather a large amount of information hidden to the naked eye. [locked]: Flight.

Small: Increase of single stat by 1.5 or two stats by 1.2 (TN: No roll, cost 2 mana)

Medium: Doubling of a single stat, 1.5 of two stats, increase by 1.2 of 3 stats (TN:3, cost 4 mana)

Big: etc (TN:3, minor drawback - deals d3 damage to body, cost 6 mana)

higher levels will be statted when they become avaiable.

Of note: Weak to electrical attacks, but resistant to fire based attacks

[PrivateNomad]

I'll make a character for the test battle

[Kansa]

I think the mana costs are a little low on ICARUS, they should be higher otherwise we run into the same problem of mana never running out in battle again.

[Akroma]

Best try and stat HILDA or Alucard, or something you will use in the future anyway, saves time for when you actually need to stat them and fix their abilities etc


Kansa: noted. Manapools and Manacosts will be subject for revision, after the test battle.

[GreatWyrmGold]

"Refining"? My queries are more on the "defining" side.

I know that not many people are interested in it, but...for the record, if we went with GURPS, all these numbers would be both defined and refined.

Well, I do want to avoid cases of this, so I'd rather roll for combat checks than have it a set value.

First, is that really the best video you could find?
Second, GURPS does involve rolling, it's just that the difficulty of various rolls is already determined and the numbers adjusted accordingly. As another bonus, it lets us figure out abilities that much more easily.

A circle like that would be drawn over an entire city or country. Plus it only works during a solar eclipse.

Does it need to be total? If not, what part of the circle needs to be eclipsed? Total solar eclipses aren't very wide...

Okay, back on topic, how will lore be handled? I have summaries of some of it below:

-snip-

You left out demons.

Spoiler: Hell and Demons (click to show/hide)

First off, the lore I made for demons, like most of the lore I made oh-so-long ago, has been trampled on by others because they didn't like it. So some people might disagree. I've tried to incorporate their things, though.

Hell is the afterlife. Anyone who won't make a good enough cog in the machine of the Overgods and who isn't rescued by some other god (which annoys the demons, so they don't do it much) gets sent to Hell, under the control of a demon. The exact demon varies on a number of factors, largely the vices they enjoyed but also other factors. Originally, there were only a couple dozen demons or so, each taking a fairly simple selection of souls, but over time, demons traded soul rights around and sold them and as of the modern day it's Byzantine. Demons sometimes go to Earth to try and coax mortals in various directions to try and make them end up in some demon's control or another so they can collect a fraction of the soul's value.
As for the souls, there are in general two categories: Slaves and trophies. The former category is the most common; most souls get put to work maintaining their owner's domain, whatever it might be, serving as soldiers, or some other menial task. This tends to drain the soul of identity, if they can't find ways to express it. The latter is much rarer; a sufficiently special individual will be kept away from work so that the owner can boast about owning some great conqueror, artist, hero, or somesuch. Souls can also be sold; they're a little like stocks, if I had to make a comparison to mortal economics.
As for the demons themselves...it's complicated. Familiar with Hobbes? His philosophy is more or less correct. Demons are inherently selfish. They're willing to work together if they think it furthers their aims, whether because it does or because they're tricked into thinking so. The most common method of working-together involves a stronger demon forcing a weaker demon to do as he says. They're real nice people. Most demons live in Hell, either exclusively or most of the time, but some go to the mortal world for extended periods of time, whether because they were banished for some crime or another or because of some job they need to do. Regardless, they like Hell much better. Demons can shapeshift, but when in the mortal realm they are limited by conservation of mass. They also have other magic, typically involving some kind of specialty. There are no true subtypes of demons (e.g, incubi, ifrit, etc); the closest thing demons have are basically their professions. Demons reproduce asexually.
Imps are similar to demons, being made in the same way, but they have been stripped of their individuality. Rather than try to do what's best for themselves, they try to do what's best for their creator. Imps aren't unheard of, but they're not terribly common either; it's not easy to make one, and they're generally considered valuable. Also, they're weaker than typical demons.
Demons service not only the souls of mankind but those of all sentient races. Demons and Hell are a mixture of Creation and Void, and hence are technically Twilight beings. Don't ask if they sparkle, though.

I'd also like to note that a fair portion of the cast seems to be bisexual, rather than merely homosexual.

Equipment being an innuendo for a mans genitals and enchanted... being magically imbued somethings.

...
Seriously? You felt the need to read innuendo into that?

Looks fine to me, though I wonder if magic has a void counterpart.

Depends on how you define "magic". It could easily be its own Void counterpart.

Not sure what a pure superpower would be. Probably not possible.

Considering that the universe superpowers are from is based on comic books...there's probably someone wielding pure superpower.

Optional rule: Depending on which stat on a character is the highest, he gains a perk based on that stat.

How about just generalized perks? That allows us to differentiate between characters even better. Or we could incorporate perks into powers.
This could be a good place to slip in a bit of GURPS hybrid. Use this system for most things, but use GURPS advantages (with some tweaking to fit the system, or only selecting ones that don't need it) for the perks and powers.

Mana:
...A regen phase is about 6 hours without using mana, and regens your Mana by as many points as the stat is high...
Possible perks: regen of mana during combat 1 point every 3 rounds...

Seems like a pretty dang impressive perk...especially compared to its Health equivalent.

Speed:
When you are dodging multiple enemies in succession, you gain a penalty of -1 on each successive dodge. This penalty resets between hits.

Why? I'd have it reset between turns--ie, once you've had a turn, you don't take more penalties on dodge rolls.

Skill:
How good you are at aiming, timing your attacks or going for blindspots. This is also the skill that is used to roll on for mundane skills, like crafting and whatever else, if the GM feels it is appropriate.

...Seems like a pretty darn generic mishmash. Master smiths also have to be sharpshooters?

Strength:
How good you are at dealing physical damage. Yes, I know, being super buff should not affect your damage if you use a gun, BUT we are looking for unified system, with clear rules. So you better be lifting son.

Also problematic.

Wether or not Personas use the same stat or are so radicaly different, I barely care. Only one person uses them, and in fact, does not use them for anything other than the healing spell, and instead has technology skills that definetly classify as a superpower. I will leave this for others to figure out.

For the record, I don't really care if we ditch Personas altogether. They don't really mesh with anything else...and they were introduced by Richard, aka "person from another universe".

Should someones health fall to 0, that character is unconscious, probably heavily bleeding. His allies now have [health] turns time to perform any sort of CPR or live saving measures on him. This takes no roll, however while doing so, you are an easy target, and prone to interruption. Maybe you wanna kill the demon first and CPR then? Maybe someone should cover you? Should health fall below 0, you have that much less turns to save the wounded allies live. Wether he was saved or not, that character is out of combat.

And what about after combat?

Spoiler: Magic (click to show/hide)

Magic is split into categories, starting from negliable, small, medium, big, enormous, epic. To be able to cast medium spells, one needs to have a mag of at least 6, 9 fof big, 12 for enormous, 15 for gigantic, higher categories may exist.

Negliable skills cost no mana, and are mostly flavour. This also covers a basic magic attack, that does nothing besides rolling on mag for damage. They require no roll to be succesfully cast, except skill if it need to be aimed.

Small skills cost 1 mana. That's either attacks that deal more damage (mag*2 is rolled here), or add side effects, like setting the enemy on fire to do damage over time, or adding a small AoE etc.

Medium skills cost 2 mana, and you either need to beat a TN of 3 on mag, or the spell could come at a minor drawback.

Big skills cost 3 mana, and you need to beat a TN of 6 on mag to pull them of, or a TN of 3 alongside a minor drawback, or no TN, but two drawbacks.

etc etc. A charsheet should provide ample amount of examples what theirt abilities would do in each category, and the GM needs to look those over carefully.

Examples of drawbacks: Deal a d3 of damage to the caster, cost 1 more point of mana, is immobile while casting. A turn to charge the attack counts as two consecutive immobilisations, so that's two drawbacks. You can always come up with more, customise your character.

I'm noticing that there's basically no mention of where anything but attacks would fit in. Since the non-combat magic was the most problematic...shouldn't we bother to do something about that?
Insert point that GURPS would provide a balanced, complete system for this here.
On that note...well...it would be kinda tough to fit into your proposed Magic system, but if we just used GURPS for the abilities, we would have access to a wider array of potential powers. Passive powers, for instance, are impossible. Having multiple weaker types of magic? Difficult if not impossible to balance. Noncombat magic? Fiat time. Perks? Better hope you can get a stat one that fits your fancy. These problems are solved with a GURPS hybrid system. The biggest problem would be converting damage values, but that's not such a problem.

True. Then can we integrate defense into other skills? Less stats is always good.

Oh, I disagree. Less stats is only good if there are too many stats. Splitting up the Ruling Stats (stats that are far, far more important than any other, like Dexterity in v2 of this game, Agility in Looter's Delight, Speed in Call of Cthulhu...huh, I'm noticing a trend) is always a good thing.

[Akroma]

A) Generalised perks, maybe. Make a list of suggestions. I'd suppose chars start with just one.

B) Considering we will revise mana amount and/or mana costs of spells, it becomes less impressive, but yeah it might be nerfed to every 4 or 5 turns.

C) Maybe. I was just trying to resolve a common problem we have, that we are usualy in great numerical advantage, and if the penalty does not reset, villains would be pummelled to death rather quickly. The penalty reseting after being hit makes things more survivable, without making things entirely untouchable.

D) Well, I'm very reluctant to enter yet another stat to handle mundane perks. I am open to suggestions. Anyway, a guidelines for PCs is "just because you could does not mean you should". If someone takes high skill to have a high mundane skill, that person is welcome to put a smaller amount of points behind the number in brackets for combat - or maybe take low skill, and then a perk that increases it for the mundane skill?

E) Different weapons running off different skills to deal damage is too minmaxy. Someone who uses guns would not need and strength at all, but only skill, thus being able hit more often *and* deal more damage, all with the same stat. Similar things happen if damage for weapons would run of dex etc etc. So no, Strength stays the stat for physical damage, regardless of your weapon.

F) Non-attack magic falls into the descriptions the players put on their sheets, examples etc. When they then do some magicing out of combat, the GM compares the suggested action to the examples to see what kind of category it would fall in to determine mana costs and TN. Multiple types of magic as with Sanure do get balanced by them being weaker. They'd deal way less damage in regard to their mana cost, basicaly putting all of that kinda stuff up one category.

And yes, some magic does fall into fiat time. It's the GMs duty to look into just how powerful an action is to see if it is possible, give it appropriate mana cost and TN, and then narrate the result. That's what GMs do

G) After combat, any players remaining alife will stabilize wounded players if they have time. The unconscious player still need a regen phase until the get back up and can act again.

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As for the mana patch, how about simply doubling the costs we have right now. Small spells costing 2, then 4, then 6 etc. That way ICARUS would for example run out of Mana after 3 big uses of her power - which is basicaly how it is right now. Considering how much big spells do, that seems good. Mana regen may also be slower


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