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Author Topic: [43.05][44.xx] D4FS - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch  (Read 24979 times)

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[43.05][44.xx] D4FS - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch
« on: October 04, 2016, 03:20:04 pm »

Hello!
Welcome to the fourth iteration of Dwarf Fortress From Scratch!
You may have heard of this before. Basically, it is a mod that removes all most vanilla raws and replaces them with user defined ones. Anyone can contribute.
The previous three iterations died off because sharing and accessing files was complicated, which is why we now have GitHub to do that! Here's a link!

Links


Install instructions/home page
Here is a link to the wiki
Here is a link to the original thread

Releases
When on the page, click download source code, in .zip or .tar.gz format.
v0.4
v0.3.0
v0.2.0
v0.1.2
v0.1.1
v0.1

latest preview(unstable)



Changelog

-v0.4 fixed bugs, added necrobees and other things I forgot.
-v0.3.0 - Fortress mode works. Missing inorganics caused problems. Thanks to milo christianen for temporary raw replacement.
-v0.2.0 - Adventure mode should work. At least it doesn't crash instantly.
-v0.1.2 - typo fixes, removed some vanilla lines.
-v0.1.1 - a bugfix that corrected left feet to be on the left side
-v0.1 - first release!


Note
I am not good at this, at keeping up threads and stuff, but I think it would be a shame for this to die off, therefore, I do what I can.

Note on 32 and 64 bitness
I saw this pop up a few times. the same raw and data files work for both versions! also 43.03 works too.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2018, 08:11:09 am by Gwolfski »
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf Fortress Froms Scratch IV - first release!
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2016, 10:12:01 am »

PTW also, I liked the name dwarf 4tress from scratch. this isn't a completely different mod, right? this is just a different thread?
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf Fortress Froms Scratch IV - first release!
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2016, 01:28:33 pm »

Same mod. ill change the title back
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2016, 02:16:30 pm »

It looks like this is a version intended for release with vanilla files added to make it work. The other one is a pure from-scratch version.
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2016, 02:29:57 am »

It looks like this is a version intended for release with vanilla files added to make it work. The other one is a pure from-scratch version.
This is a pure from scratch version. I probably should update the OP about this. Currently, it is missing lot of stuff, but is playable, ask pikachu about that.
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2016, 09:54:36 am »

It looks like this is a version intended for release with vanilla files added to make it work. The other one is a pure from-scratch version.
It looks like this is a version intended for release with vanilla files added to make it work. The other one is a pure from-scratch version.
This is a pure from scratch version. I probably should update the OP about this. Currently, it is missing lot of stuff, but is playable, ask pikachu about that.
well, Jecowa's not actually wrong(depending on what he means by "the other one", though). This does in fact have more vanilla stuff than normal. granted the default material template can be removed, since I've created my own, but the following vanilla files are still here, and used:
b_detail_plan_default(can be replaced with b_detail_plan_shutupdf from the other scratches), body_rcp(can be replaced with body_shutupdf. will remove all randomized stuff including demons, so you might want to not do this if you want a dark fortress), material_template_default(replaced with material_template_shutupdf), tissue_template_default(can be replaced with tissue_template_default). also, body_default appears to not be in scratch 2, although I can't currently confirm whether it's in 1 or not.

Also, Gwolfski did you notify everybody in the first thread that you started a second?
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2016, 10:20:48 am »

objects files identical to vanilla:
(Items in yellow have D4FS versions that can replace them as detailed in pikachu17's post above and post below.)
  • b_detail_plan_default.txt
  • body_default.txt
  • body_rcp.txt
  • descriptor_pattern_iris_eye.txt
  • descriptor_pattern_pupil_eye.txt
  • descriptor_pattern_special.txt
  • descriptor_shape_standard.txt
  • examples and notes/gaits.txt
  • examples and notes/item_instrument_example.txt
  • examples and notes/reaction_instrument_example.txt
  • language_DWARF.txt
  • language_SYM.txt
  • material_template_default.txt
  • tissue_template_default.txt

objects files similar to vanilla:
  • creature_equipment.txt - same as vanilla, but with three more tags added
  • descriptor_color_standard.txt - same as vanilla, but with three more colors added

Also, I'm not sure if speech files count as raws, but even though D4FS adds a lot of lines to the /data/speech/ files, it still contains all the original vanilla speech lines. Is it safe to delete the vanilla lines from the /data/speech/ files?
Edit: Speech files have just had their vanilla lines purged.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 05:25:39 pm by jecowa »
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2016, 10:34:08 am »

objects files identical to vanilla:
  • b_detail_plan_default.txt
  • body_default.txt
  • body_rcp.txt
  • descriptor_pattern_iris_eye.txt
  • descriptor_pattern_pupil_eye.txt
  • descriptor_pattern_special.txt
  • descriptor_shape_standard.txt
  • examples and notes/gaits.txt
  • examples and notes/item_instrument_example.txt
  • examples and notes/reaction_instrument_example.txt
  • language_DWARF.txt
  • language_SYM.txt
  • material_template_default.txt
  • tissue_template_default.txt

objects files similar to vanilla:
  • creature_equipment.txt - same as vanilla, but with three more tags added
  • descriptor_color_standard.txt - same as vanilla, but with three more colors added

Also, I'm not sure if speech files count as raws, but even though D4FS adds a lot of lines to the /data/speech/ files, it still contains all the original vanilla speech lines. Is it safe to delete the vanilla lines from the /data/speech/ files?
the descriptor_color_standard is in scratch 1, they thought there was no point to changing it. creature_equipment can be removed, I have already added a replacement to the thing, it's the delivery truck. I guess the vanilla speech lines can be deleted, unless you mean the files, in which case they can't. body_rcp may or may not be removed, it's removal is a major game changer, so it's a major decision. personally, I vote for replacement with body_shutupdf.
the examples and notes stuff are in the previous scratches. in case you haven't noticed my process is: if it's in from scratch 1, then why remove it now?
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« Last Edit: October 28, 2016, 01:56:20 pm by pikachu17 »
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2016, 11:06:31 am »

if it's in from scratch 1, then why remove it now?

If it's in vanilla and it's not needed, why keep it? It sounds like the goal is to get Dwarf Fortress working with as little vanilla files as possible. From a couple of quick tests, it looks like the contents of the "examples and notes" folder aren't needed.
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2016, 12:47:59 pm »

if it's in from scratch 1, then why remove it now?

If it's in vanilla and it's not needed, why keep it? It sounds like the goal is to get Dwarf Fortress working with as little vanilla files as possible. From a couple of quick tests, it looks like the contents of the "examples and notes" folder aren't needed.

its handy for reference.

The reaspn there is so many vanilla files is becasue they are necessary, and its a pain to rewrite them.
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2016, 02:50:33 pm »

its handy for reference.

The reaspn there is so many vanilla files is becasue they are necessary, and its a pain to rewrite them.

I admit to being a little confused, because jecowa has a point. The mod's name and description both claim that all vanilla raws have been replaced, not just most. I was intrigued and downloaded the mod to check it out before I noticed jecowa's post, but I was also confused by all of the vanilla files still included.

Welcome to the fourth iteration of Dwarf Fortress From Scratch!
You may have heard of this before. Basically, it is a mod that removes all vanilla raws and replaces them with user defined ones.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 02:55:29 pm by Taffer »
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2016, 03:37:34 pm »

its handy for reference.

The reaspn there is so many vanilla files is becasue they are necessary, and its a pain to rewrite them.

I admit to being a little confused, because jecowa has a point. The mod's name and description both claim that all vanilla raws have been replaced, not just most. I was intrigued and downloaded the mod to check it out before I noticed jecowa's post, but I was also confused by all of the vanilla files still included.

Welcome to the fourth iteration of Dwarf Fortress From Scratch!
You may have heard of this before. Basically, it is a mod that removes all vanilla raws and replaces them with user defined ones.

Well, those are placeholders to keep the game running. They will be replaced once someone gets around to it.
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2016, 08:55:48 pm »

So what does this do exactly?
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2016, 09:17:25 pm »

From what I've seen, all the civilized races have been replaced by 3 types of Pikachu. Vulcan Pikachu and Capitalist Pikachu are the two playable races. Helicopter Pikachu are thieves, so watch out for them. It also replaces all the vanilla creatures and plants with its own versions, but I don't know much about those.
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Re: [43.05] DF4S - Dwarf 4tress Froms Scratch - first release!
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2016, 01:07:49 am »

So what does this do exactly?

Basically, everybody can mod in their own stuff, replacing vanilla. We could use a few more moders.
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