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[Flaede]

Actual mud... no... again make a stone that shows up no where and pretend...

Oh, I was not expecting that one to work anymore. Just noting it DID, before, and I figured glass was free enough, and utterly free mud bricks was overdoing it.

[Shaostoul]

I could be wrong though... I'm not exactly in a very good mood... so I'm bound to make mistakes.

[Flaede]

I could be wrong though... I'm not exactly in a very good mood... so I'm bound to make mistakes.

fell mood?
It is an artifact forum post! It menaces with spikes of Dwarf Bone, and is adorned with hanging rings of Dwarf Leather.

[ToaHero92]

 I edited the raws before world generation. And I know they are still alcohol dependent because after about a year I can look at at of my dwarves thoughts and preferences and they all say they could really use a drink right now (usually after a new line comes up stating that they depend on <favorite drink here> to get through the working day and become sluggish without it.)

[darkflagrance]

Once a dwarf's caste, personality, etc. are generated, they cannot be changed by raw editing. The same thing goes for life span. Now that you've altered the raws, whatever changes to the dwarf creature you made will be applied to newly born children or migrants that arrive afterward, but they do not affect the original dwarves.

This is also partly influenced by the fact that alcohol reliance is a trait that can occasionally be generated on non-alcohol dependent races.

[albatross]

Once a dwarf's caste, personality, etc. are generated, they cannot be changed by raw editing.

But... the guy did a world regen. Are you saying that any changes to raws regarding dwarves don't matter, even after doing a world regen? That the changes apply ONLY to children and future migrants? That it is impossible to affect the original seven dwarves that start the fortress?

[Shaostoul]

That's not what he is saying... Let me clarify...

This is if you DO NOT regen
All effects done to PRESENT creatures will not take effect, unless it's like noeat nosleep nodrink speed (simple stuff)
Firebreath, insane homeotherms and set temps and alcohol dependency and all that fun extra stuff (complex stuff) will persist in PRESENT creatures INDEFINITLY
So more or less, creatures presently on the map will not be effected from the change.

If you DO regen
all changes are applied. original 7 get new specs, new creatures get new specs, etc.

[albatross]

If you DO regen
all changes are applied. original 7 get new specs, new creatures get new specs, etc.

Ok, in theory anyway. But like the guy said, he didn't see the alcohol dependency go away even after world regen. And no one can actually observe the changes made in attribute or skill decay/gain rates. That's the issue that eventually brought me here. It's on the bug tracker, too. Well, sort of. Not the exact same issue but closely related.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=803
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My own testing solely consisted of experimenting with the original seven dwarves after making changes to the raws (plus the world regens). So that's why I wondered if the original 7 get potentially hard-coded values...

So.. this is just great. First I wanted to run a one dwarf fortress in DF2010. Then I discover that attributes and skills decay over time, after which I immediately attempt to alter this behavior, with no result. So, after a dozen failed attempts I try out the 40d version, which tasted pretty sweet after sucking on the sour DF2010. Urist McChosenOne organizes an unfortunate accident for the other six of his team and gets to work. Several years pass and he kills dozens of creatures while defending his fort. Then one day he notices that he's rather good with his crossbow, and decides he's actually so good that he doesn't have to work anymore. And that's when I learn about the hero status, and that they essentially can't be ordered to work, once a weapon skill has reached a certain level. And all I ever wanted to see was one battle-hardened know-it-all superdwarf. Switching weapons is not a permanent solution either. It -would- be if the skill and attribute gain/decay control worked properly, but alas... It all comes together in oh so wonderfully frustrating way :/

[Shaostoul]

Meh, w/e

[Bob Clarke]

I didn't find a reaction to make fat, or soap. So I made one that works for me.

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[REACTION:MAKE_FAT]
   [NAME:make fat]
   [BUILDING:CHEAT_WORKSHOP:NONE]
   [REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [PRODUCT:100:20:GLOB:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:COW:FAT][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
   [SKILL:SOAP_MAKING]

Which I based off of

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[REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:COW:BLOOD][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]

From Shaostoul's wiki page.

Sorry if it's redundant, I couldn't find one with a search.

[Daywalkah]

I can't get the lye into the barrel. Is there anything visibly wrong with this? I could get the fat in the barrel, but not the lye, so I removed the necessary tags from the fat.

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[REACTION:SUMMONING]
[NAME:summon lye and fat]
[BUILDING:SMELTER:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:BARREL:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:GLOB:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:COW:FAT]
[PRODUCT:100:100:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:LYE:NONE][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:A]
[SKILL:SMELT]

[Shaostoul]

I don't think 100 of anything fits in a barrel? Try setting it so it makes only one lye and see if it works then.

[Daywalkah]

*facepalm*

I always miss things as simple as that. Thank you.

[Shaostoul]

No problem.

I only ever remember seeing meats and seeds being stored I think at 5-20 per barrel? I forget the exact number though.

[Daywalkah]

IIRC it was 20.

BTW, I created a link to your modding guide wiki in the modding guides section of the wiki so it can be more accessible. I saw it no where else, so I added it. I probably skipped over it somewhere.