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Total Members Voted: 49

[SalmonGod]

I've learned a lot from it.  It's helped me understand a lot about people and figure out ways to get along better with them.  I've found myself able to identify people after spending some time around them, and guess at aspects of them that I wouldn't have been able to know otherwise.  It especially taught me a lot about my wife's thought processes and motivations, and provided me tools for finding ways to make my marriage happier.

I'm pretty sure it's a bit more than pop psychology, also.  I've known at least two people whose professional therapists have made use of it to develop life advice and training for them.  The online test linked in this thread is pretty simplistic, yeah, but there are more sophisticated assessments in use that aren't just multiple choice questionnaires.

[ECrownofFire]

So I was mistaken in saying hundreds of psychologists have developed it. But surely accepting it and using it for their own is roughly the same thing? If it wasn't accurate and valid, they would have used something else. If they had not accepted it, it wouldn't still be used today. The hundreds that have used it have in a sense developed it by way of effectively saying that it is valid. Or rather, by way of saying it is valid, they said that it doesn't need to be developed. Those that did not find it valid have said so, but those seem to be rather few in number.

[Leafsnail]

Really?  Are there serious psychologists who use quizzes on the internet developed by people without expertise?

[Max White]

Once again, this test has been developed over around a hundred years by hundreds, if not thousands, of psychologists. Who are you to just come along and say it's all wrong? This test is grouping almost 7 billion people into SIXTEEN categories, what gives you the idea it's going to be 100% accurate at all? Psychology is inherently pseudoscience. There is NOTHING that can change that. The brain and conscience is probably the only truly chaotic system in the entire universe. We can't predict what it will do. This test is as good as we're going to get because it's been researched and developed for so long. A "which Pokemon are you" test was probably thought up in fifteen minutes.

Also, these tests are based off of what you USUALLY do. Who's really going to think a question of whether they always plan ahead or not completely literal? And being sober, tired, stoned, whatever, those all change your personality and/or perception temporarily. They affect ANY test you take.

Now I do no question the method that these tests use. If you say you like to plan ahead, that means you the kind of person that likes to plan ahead, and we can all one to the tally board for the planing ahead trait. The logic is seemless. It describes back the person you described in these tests.

However, I do question how valid it is. How does it take into account the fact that people are not oftern who they think they are? I'm sure there are some people out there who would like to think they are highly social and do there best to get out at every chance, but in truth they are a lot more shy then they think, and are your typical intravert. The fact that you do not have an outside perspective on this makes is some what bias towards something you wish you were, rather then something you are.

I think getting constantly very high percentages should be a good clue to this. Even the most social butterfly enjoys some time alone sometimes, and the only people who should be getting 100% in anything are fictional characters with no depth.

[SalmonGod]

Really?  Are there serious psychologists who use quizzes on the internet developed by people without expertise?

No.  This internet quiz is not the sole product of the entire myers-briggs concept.

[Leafsnail]

Obviously, but I don't see why that means I can't criticise the test.

[ECrownofFire]

Once again, this test has been developed over around a hundred years by hundreds, if not thousands, of psychologists. Who are you to just come along and say it's all wrong? This test is grouping almost 7 billion people into SIXTEEN categories, what gives you the idea it's going to be 100% accurate at all? Psychology is inherently pseudoscience. There is NOTHING that can change that. The brain and conscience is probably the only truly chaotic system in the entire universe. We can't predict what it will do. This test is as good as we're going to get because it's been researched and developed for so long. A "which Pokemon are you" test was probably thought up in fifteen minutes.

Also, these tests are based off of what you USUALLY do. Who's really going to think a question of whether they always plan ahead or not completely literal? And being sober, tired, stoned, whatever, those all change your personality and/or perception temporarily. They affect ANY test you take.

Now I do no question the method that these tests use. If you say you like to plan ahead, that means you the kind of person that likes to plan ahead, and we can all one to the tally board for the planing ahead trait. The logic is seemless. It describes back the person you described in these tests.

However, I do question how valid it is. How does it take into account the fact that people are not oftern who they think they are? I'm sure there are some people out there who would like to think they are highly social and do there best to get out at every chance, but in truth they are a lot more shy then they think, and are your typical intravert. The fact that you do not have an outside perspective on this makes is some what bias towards something you wish you were, rather then something you are.

I think getting constantly very high percentages should be a good clue to this. Even the most social butterfly enjoys some time alone sometimes, and the only people who should be getting 100% in anything are fictional characters with no depth.

The question of whether people are who they think they are is not a problem in this test. People like to lie to themselves, that's going to be a problem no matter what test you throw at them. People have desires, and will try to test their wanted personality, instead of the one they have.

Obviously, but I don't see why that means I can't criticise the test.

There is a difference between the test and the questions. Your random quiz on the internet is going to have different (and less) questions from an actual "serious" test.

[ToonyMan]

This test is perfect.

[SalmonGod]

I'm not sure what you were getting at, then, about psychologists using internet quizzes.  Yes, this specific online quiz can be very inadequate.

[Max White]

The question of whether people are who they think they are is not a problem in this test. People like to lie to themselves, that's going to be a problem no matter what test you throw at them. People have desires, and will try to test their wanted personality, instead of the one they have.

While people have a desire to know what personality type they realy have, it isn't that hard for somebody to convince themselves that the personality they describe is theirs, therefor satistfying there desire to seek the truth, because as far as they can see, it is the truth, and the desire to be a specific way, because this test told them what they wanted to hear.

I mean if you got a close freind to do the test for you, wouldn't that show a more valid figure?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Alright, I think I'll switch out the test for somthing less SERIOUS BUSINESS now.

Spoiler: Here are the old results. (click to show/hide)

Your test results? *NOW WITH 300% ADDITIONAL EVIL*
ENFJ-Teacher/The Cult Leader
 1 (1.2%)
INFJ-Counselor/The Conspiracy Theorist
 3 (3.5%)
ENFP-Champion/The Scientologist
 2 (2.4%)
INFP-Healer/The Idealist
 7 (8.2%)
ENTJ-Fieldmarshal/The Evil Overlord
 6 (7.1%)
INTJ-Mastermind/The Outside Contractor
 25 (29.4%)
ENTP-Inventor/The Mad Scientist
 5 (5.9%)
INTP-Architect/The Egghead
 20 (23.5%)
ESTJ-Supervisor/The Bureaucrat
 0 (0%)
ISTJ-Inspector/The Thought Police
 6 (7.1%)
ESFJ-Provider/The Control Freak
 1 (1.2%)
ISFJ-Protector/The Martyr
 1 (1.2%)
ESTP-Promoter/The Conman
 0 (0%)
ISTP-Crafter/The Psycho Vigilante
 6 (7.1%)
ESFP-Performer/The National Enquirer Headline
 0 (0%)
ISFP-Composer/The Crackpot
 2 (2.4%)

Total Members Voted: 85

Now, it's time to see where in hell you'll be suffering forever. The test has a ten minute time limit, so don't dally!

Spoiler: :D (click to show/hide)

Sixth Level of Hell - The City of Dis

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You approach Satan's wretched city where you behold a wide plain surrounded by iron walls. Before you are fields full of distress and torment terrible. Burning tombs are littered about the landscape. Inside these flaming sepulchers suffer the heretics, failing to believe in God and the afterlife, who make themselves audible by doleful sighs. You will join the wicked that lie here, and will be offered no respite. The three infernal Furies stained with blood, with limbs of women and hair of serpents, dwell in this circle of Hell.


The Dante's Inferno Test has banished you to the Sixth Level of Hell - The City of Dis!

Here is how you matched up against all the levels:
Level | Score
Purgatory | Very Low
Level 1 - Limbo | Low
Level 2 | High
Level 3 | Very High
Level 4 | High
Level 5 | High
Level 6 - The City of Dis | Extreme
Level 7 | Moderate
Level 8- the Malebolge | Moderate
Level 9 - Cocytus | Moderate

[Leafsnail]

Can we do the Forer Test next?

[Max White]

I approve of the direction of this thread. Lets see how I burn.

[Ochita]

Oh my. 7th level gooooooo!!!!!!!

[Darvi]

That test sounds extremely... uhh... what's the word for it?
Well it's kinda ridiculous.

Anyways, Dis for me. Lots of "No"s and "False"s for me there.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Purgatory	Repenting Believers	Very Low
Level 1 - Limbo	Virtuous Non-Believers	Moderate
Level 2	Lustful	Very Low
Level 3	Gluttonous	High
Level 4	Prodigal and Avaricious	Low
Level 5	Wrathful and Gloomy	Very High
Level 6 - The City of Dis	Heretics	Extreme
Level 7	Violent	Moderate
Level 8- the Malebolge	Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers	Moderate
Level 9 - Cocytus	Treacherous	High