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[da_nang]

Now try it as a low-level, armorless, Non-Dunmer, vampire mage. With difficulty-increasing mods. Bonus points if you're an Altmer with the Apprentice sign. More bonus points if you do it without Restoration and Alchemy (including exploits). More bonus points for doing it without shouts.

Thank Sithis for UFO. Soon I'll have a veritable follower army to bring those flaming horrors down.

[Putnam]

Thank Sithis

"Sithis doesn't real!"
-Lore experts

[WillowLuman]

Don't you mean "thank the night mother?"

Is it just me, or did Dragonborn try to retcon the Morag Tong as Sithis-worshiping mercenaries? They acted more like hired thugs/soldiers than secret assassins. Maybe that Dunmer guy is just being unreliable about their worship, though.

Also, I wish the Tong would thank you for wiping out their sworn enemies, which you can do.

[Eotyrannus]

I would presume that, like the Brotherhood, the Tong had regressed into lawless killers by that point. No rules, no discipline.

[Teneb]

Dunmer have never liked outlanders, so they may simply consider you to be outlander scum.

Or, since the Brotherhood was already down to it's last sanctuary, they just assumed it had already been destroyed long ago.

[Putnam]

Don't you mean "thank the night mother?"

Is it just me, or did Dragonborn try to retcon the Morag Tong as Sithis-worshiping mercenaries? They acted more like hired thugs/soldiers than secret assassins. Maybe that Dunmer guy is just being unreliable about their worship, though.

Also, I wish the Tong would thank you for wiping out their sworn enemies, which you can do.

When I hear "Sithis-worshiping", it reminds me of when the beggars in Oblivion say "Blessings of Anu upon ye". Padhome and Anu can't do anything by definition. They were the first of AE, that created Aurbis. Their souls, Anui-el and Sithis, can't do anything either; they are forces, not spirits. Now, Padhome does have a big influence on Aurbis in the form of Mundus, which has mortals with free will. Similarly, Lorkhan is very kindred with Padhome, and his Shezzarine are very given to world-changing events (see: Pelinal Whitestrake, Champion of Cyrodiil, Zurin Arctus, Ysmir Wulfarth, Nerevarine?). However, Padhome isn't doing anything there--it's just a pressure on Sithis, which has pressure on Lorkhan, which has incarnations in these mortals.

But worshiping Sithis itself? Probably Mephala messing around.

I would presume that, like the Brotherhood, the Tong had regressed into lawless killers by that point. No rules, no discipline.

Man, the 4th Era is pretty shit. This Kalpa has lasted longer than usual, apparently, no doubt due to Alduin's strange impulse to conquer rather than devour. Then came Convention 2.0, solidifying further this Kalpa's continuation. The Aldmeri Dominion no doubt wants to end not just Mundus but the entire Kalpic cycle, but we'll see how that turns out. (There's a 5th era, so probably not)

[WillowLuman]

Except, that former Tong guy in the Thieves' guild says that they keep to the old ways, and though much smaller they continue with the whole honorable writs thing.

I will flip a shit if Bethesda turns the Morag Tong into just another bandit clan.

[Teneb]

I am quite certain none of the player characters were Shezzarines. The thought of Sheogorath being Lorkhan is amusing, however.

[da_nang]

Don't you mean "thank the night mother?"

Is it just me, or did Dragonborn try to retcon the Morag Tong as Sithis-worshiping mercenaries? They acted more like hired thugs/soldiers than secret assassins. Maybe that Dunmer guy is just being unreliable about their worship, though.

Also, I wish the Tong would thank you for wiping out their sworn enemies, which you can do.

When I hear "Sithis-worshiping", it reminds me of when the beggars in Oblivion say "Blessings of Anu upon ye". Padhome and Anu can't do anything by definition. They were the first of AE, that created Aurbis. Their souls, Anui-el and Sithis, can't do anything either; they are forces, not spirits. Now, Padhome does have a big influence on Aurbis in the form of Mundus, which has mortals with free will. Similarly, Lorkhan is very kindred with Padhome, and his Shezzarine are very given to world-changing events (see: Pelinal Whitestrake, Champion of Cyrodiil, Zurin Arctus, Ysmir Wulfarth, Nerevarine?). However, Padhome isn't doing anything there--it's just a pressure on Sithis, which has pressure on Lorkhan, which has incarnations in these mortals.

But worshiping Sithis itself? Probably Mephala messing around.

Hey, if I want to worship a rock, I'll worship a rock and you can't stop me. Kynareth be damned.

Although now I want to know how TES lore has separated souls and spirits. Souls can't do anything but spirits can? Is "soul gem" thus a misnomer or are spirits transformed into souls upon being trapped? I think some definitions are in order to make sense of it.

[Putnam]

I am quite certain none of the player characters were Shezzarines. The thought of Sheogorath being Lorkhan is amusing, however.

I know for a fact that the Champion of Cyrodiil is, at the very least, Pelinaline, which would make him/her Shezarrine by proxy. Mind that Knights of the Nine, Oblivion's MQ and Shivering Isles are all canonically done by the CoC.

S/he follows the steps of Pelinal Whitestrake closely. The Champion of Cyrodiil, borne into the world a Padomaic, emblematic of great change, is the insane champion of a Dragonborn emperor foreseen previously in the dreams of one, who has significant ties to Akatosh and defeated Umaril the Unfeathered. Yeah, this is all pretty familiar.

Sheogorath being Lorkhan isn't exactly unimaginable. The two have very close ties, both being extremely Padomaic, both being associated with serpents (Sheogorath perhaps being the unstars themselves that make up the constellation), and yet both having strangely opposing goals (again, tying in to the Pelinal similarity--Pelinal was insane due to his close ties to both Lorkhan and Akatosh, whose spheres and goals are opposing). Jyggalag himself has goals completely opposite of Lorkhan. Lorkhan saw the tower and wished others to have free will--mortals, that is--so they may reach CHIM and Amaranth beyond. Jyggalag hates the entire idea of free will, as that is Sithis, which he hates.

I wish I could write about Elder Scrolls lore without sounding so obtuse, but the terminology I have to use tends to require entire essays of themselves

Hey, if I want to worship a rock, I'll worship a rock and you can't stop me. Kynareth be damned.

Although now I want to know how TES lore has separated souls and spirits. Souls can't do anything but spirits can? Is "soul gem" thus a misnomer or are spirits transformed into souls upon being trapped? I think some definitions are in order to make sense of it.

By "spirit", I mean Et'Ada, the spirits that became Aedra and Daedra and Earthbones and Mortals. They are of a lesser subgradient than Sithis and Anui-el.

[Teneb]

I am quite certain none of the player characters were Shezzarines. The thought of Sheogorath being Lorkhan is amusing, however.

I know for a fact that the Champion of Cyrodiil is, at the very least, Pelinaline, which would make him/her Shezarrine by proxy. Mind that Knights of the Nine, Oblivion's MQ and Shivering Isles are all canonically done by the CoC.

I guess that makes sense, being at least shezzarine by mantling one. What I meant about Sheogorath being Lorkhan was the "new" Sheogorath (The Champion of Cyrodiil) being a shezzarine, and thus being Lorkhan, rather than the "old" one (Jyggalag).

[kaenneth]

Hey, anyone ever used Chain Lightning right under an average, one-shot-kill Bandit? It sends them straight into the air!

Obviously, since it makes them lighter, they float upwards.

[Ultimuh]

Just found a Dwemer Fortress in Blackreach, full of overly elaborate traps, levers, lots of valuable ores, ingots and mining veins.

Ok so it's a mod: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/16049//?
It's on the Nexus so those of you trying to avoid that place, you can dismiss my post entirely.

Also, it's not exactly a new mod, but I just found out about it and frankly, I love it. :p

Edit: Tough it got a few minor bugs, but the modder still seem to be working on it.
Edit2: Wait, last update was in.. Februray.. oh well still a nice mod.

[Putnam]

What I want isn't really so much a mod that's lore friendly so much as lore masturbatory. There isn't one that I can find for Skyrim, though

[Ibid Straydrink]

What I want isn't really so much a mod that's lore friendly so much as lore masturbatory. There isn't one that I can find for Skyrim, though

I feel you. In the empathetical sense, I mean. Not in the way a mod like that would feel you.