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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #135 on: April 27, 2025, 01:34:29 am »

Should be personality based, with dwarves generally being more willing than humans to put a bunch of work into a single topic, but truly devoted dwarves who will actually shoot for legendary status (likely at the expense of their own health) being pretty rare.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #136 on: April 27, 2025, 03:25:59 am »

What if skill decay scaled slightly with higher skill levels, with the exception of personality traits that make certain dwarves more dedicated when it comes to combat training? Thus acting as a soft cap, while still allowing high skill dwarves
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #137 on: April 27, 2025, 06:02:43 am »

Sounds a lot like the "singleminded" facet, as well as the "skill" value. The arguments around the value of skill are even about mastering a specific skill (positive) versus a holistic approach (negative). Depending on the task, it could also be influenced by any number of additional values.

The uneven skill learn rate is most evident in military training. A year of sparring in the dirt turns any dwarf into an absolute hunk, without much investment other than man-hours. I get that this has a purpose, so that your fortress can be defended swiftly with your elite heroes taking down hundred-man sieges. In the context of the plans to add some counterplay to traps, fortress defense would naturally center your own units, the ones with names and lives simulated in every detail.

1. Will we see any changes to training to make raising a dwarf from peasant to legend a more involved process through this release cycle? Building training facilities, better gains from active combat, balancing stress and discipline so they can stay focused both in the barracks and when holding formation all sound logical.

2. How do you envision the balance of power between the various pillars of defense: traps/construction, squads, and domain-level armies? On normal difficulty, how much investment do you expect for each system as the game progresses?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #138 on: April 27, 2025, 11:12:32 pm »

Hello everyone, here's my batch of questions for FoTF

1) While traveling to locations in Adventure mode often these seem underwhelming because they are very similar to each other or simple in terms of design or the design is completely absent (like elves or underworld civs villages). Have you ever considered, including the community in order to help build these designs using a contest? The winners could be awarded a mention in the description to a statue in the specific construction.

2) Is there any timeline/priority on:
  2a) fixing the issue related to forts near oceans not receiving visitors?
  2b) zoom/adjust feature for word map? 

3) Have you considered simplifying the clothing size system so that humanoids can wear clothes with less restrictions? For Example clothing could be divided into 3 size categories ( Small, Medium, Large and maybe XL ) to accomodate all creatures

4) I know that a cave rework is currently planned for a future update but, I think it would be very nice to have the option to stop cave grass & vegetation from mixing together turning every cave in the same mixed biome after a few years in game.
This would also make sense IRL where creatures can properly grow/survive under specific pressure
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« Reply #139 on: April 28, 2025, 01:14:46 am »

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1) While traveling to locations in Adventure mode often these seem underwhelming because they are very similar to each other or simple in terms of design or the design is completely absent (like elves or underworld civs villages). Have you ever considered, including the community in order to help build these designs using a contest? The winners could be awarded a mention in the description to a statue in the specific construction.
We now have a Lua implementation, so new building generation could become data-driven in a system that's more powerful than raws. The last time I recall Tarn implementing community submissions was for material densities and color strings, the latter of which was fairly immaterial (at the time) outside a dwarf randomly liking the color of a certain thing. There's no in-world credit, either, they're mainly attributed in the files.

3) Have you considered simplifying the clothing size system so that humanoids can wear clothes with less restrictions? For Example clothing could be divided into 3 size categories ( Small, Medium, Large and maybe XL ) to accomodate all creatures
The sizing system is currently based on adult body volume, which can vary to a huge degree among creatures. It's somewhat of a simplification from some of the earliest versions where dwarves had a [STOUT] tag that served as an additional fitting category.

I agree that clothesmaking should just be fire-and-forget and as long as you have workshops running you should be able to meet demand. I don't think that simplifying the size brackets is a permanent solution. There would still be situations where clothing for certain creatures is unusable in some way. You could collapse humans and dwarves into the same bracket, proclaim the immigration restrictions are safe to open, and then you'll still have a situation where you can't adequately dress your ogres and kobolds.

I was chatting with Putnam a while back, there's a lot of ways that the fitting system could have even more restrictions, sized for a specific unit's appearance modifiers and limb counts. Baby centaur trousers, never worn. This sort of specificity would be more relevant for making armor, where you're already incentivized to make specialty goods for a limited number of units.

4) I know that a cave rework is currently planned for a future update but, I think it would be very nice to have the option to stop cave grass & vegetation from mixing together turning every cave in the same mixed biome after a few years in game.
I second this, particularly with the different relation to negative space that premium graphics have. Grass now has to have edging, which makes what was bunch of commas in different colors look messier than intended. Before v50, there were only two species of cave grass that mixed on the same layer anyways.
I'd also want larger clumps of a single grass type for surface grass, as well. It's mainly noticeable in good biomes, but there's a few mods that add unique grass sprites and have to work around the structure the game gives for grass.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #140 on: April 28, 2025, 01:33:12 am »

Histfigs gain skills by training them over the course of their lives. From what I can tell they only train combat skills by engaging in battle. I don't think I've actually ever seen a legendary weapon user that wasn't an immortal creature. Honestly I think the rate at which citizens in fortress mode can gain skill is totally busted. If it takes a histfig 100 years to become legendary, it should take your citizens the same amount of time, or at least a comparable amount.
Aren't some of these issues with simulation vs verisimilitude arising from the 144:1 time compression that occurs in fortress mode?  Rimworld solves this by having full day/night cycles but each season is 15 days, 60 days per year (ie, roughly 1/6 of 365).  Is there any possibility that the ratio might just be reduced instead?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #141 on: May 01, 2025, 05:00:57 pm »

(Notifications for some reason aren't working, even though they're set to.)


So I've started modding DF around 7/7/2023, and have came across a fair amount of things.

(Edited since I forgot about gorillas & such)- Notably: modded items being 'reorganized' or dropped onto the floor, and foot/handwear for [STANCE][GRASP] creatures being decided over the other for intelligent creatures as such only exist in non-intelligent.

I've also noticed that [BABY:(any age higher than 1)] will act in part like children, however still bound to one's care; albeit starving over being nursed; but also it appears that [INTELLIGENT] creatures are the only ones whom benefit from it as setting if for example: a animal/pet creature with it will lead to starvation as well, meaning [BABY:1] for [INTELLIGENT] creatures is the only viable option.

I've also checked world gen related things in custom world gen parameters that nullify the presence of demons, night creatures, etc... & noticed that it's possible to get a world with only RAW defined equivalents, which also applies to custom divine metals, & threads. However night creatures of the usual variety (hunters, spouse converters, and the like) function differently leading to a world without such, even if ones were defined in the RAWs.Is there plans to make it possible to generate such as the others do, is the question intertwined?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #142 on: May 01, 2025, 05:15:10 pm »

Don't forget to ask your questions in lime green. Your color tags aren't rendering properly, make sure to fix those up.

Notably: modded items being 'reorganized' or dropped onto the floor, and foot/handwear for [STANCE][GRASP] creatures being decided over the other (which is more likely a unintentional but interesting conflict as no vanilla creatures have such a combination).

Gorillas have stance-grasp parts, though they aren't intelligent. It might also happen with certain random creatures even if those rarely join forts. Is this supposed to be a question, or merely an observation? I can't tell which is being decided over the other.

Is there plans to make it possible to generate [night creatures] as the others do, is the question intertwined?

It's already possible in the experimental branch.
https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Lua_scripting
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #143 on: May 01, 2025, 06:05:03 pm »

Don't forget to ask your questions in lime green. Your color tags aren't rendering properly, make sure to fix those up.

Thanks for mentioning.

Gorillas have stance-grasp parts, though they aren't intelligent. It might also happen with certain random creatures even if those rarely join forts. Is this supposed to be a question, or merely an observation? I can't tell which is being decided over the other.

It's been a while since I checked vanilla RAW so I forgot about that.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #144 on: May 01, 2025, 08:46:49 pm »

Here's a question from Gortonian250 on the Kitfox Discord server. He's still waiting on his forums account to get confirmed, so I'm relaying this in his stead.

Hello, I hope this message finds you well. I'm a blind gamer from audiogames.net and have heard many great things about Dwarf Fortress. Unfortunately, DF isn't accessible with a screen reader, and I was wondering if there's anything that could be done to remedy this either in the ascii version or in premium?

I've got several ideas on how this could be achieved, mainly with SAPI and Tolk, a library to allow direct outputting of speech to screen readers like NVDA. The game would also need full keyboard support as well as audio cues for certain events.

Many people in the blind community, including myself would gladly purchase copies of premium if you guys would be willing to commit to making the game fully accessible. This is a great piece of art, and there's a lot of people out there who'd love to experience it for themselves. I'm Gortonian250 on the Kitfox Discord server. Please get in touch if this is something you're interested in. I'd gladly give of my time to help make this dream come true.
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