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[AnimePigeon]

Whether people think my "case" on Salvatore is Good or Bad, none of you have been able to point out it specify why you believe he is good - likely due to the lack of views or reads provided by that seat.

[AnimePigeon]

Day 1 - General Vibes/Feels

* Notquitethere - Seems to be showing some Genuine Hunting, Very Clear Townie or Sublime Sneaky Evil!

* Crystalizedmire - Seems to be on a similar vibe to me regarding Salvatore

* ToonyMan - Sounding Good, but definitely got some views that differentiate from me. They think Salvatore is good, but given Salvatore hasn't made many posts or much impact, I can see ToonyMan believing what he's preaching.

* Imp - Solid Performance so far, trickery customer, that can easily weasel her way into causing Trouble. Evidently clear immediately she wouldn't be on the chopping block today.

* Jim Groovester - feeling generally null on this seat, some good posts, some lesser posts, looking to see them get more into the game and cast there net further afield than Magma Mater.

* Magma Mater - Seems to sus me for me asking NQT & Tony to stop voting alongside the company they had (Salvatore), still wanting more from them, but I would say is inside there good range, even though they are wrong regarding there view on me.

* Agentt - Don't really know what to expect from Agent. Been rather underwhelming, spending majority of Day 1 self-preservation voting the next wagon, not really showing much fight or determination to not be Lynched. Expecting a lot more from this seat, but worried they are a Walking Mis-Lynch.

* Salvatore Monday - See This

Salvatore Monday isn't going to be lynched, that is why your vote on him is bad. You had the opportunity to choose to vote either Agentt or ToonyMan, and you decided to vote for neither, which is what I would expect you to do if you are mafia with one of them. Just vote for someone who has a chance to be lynched.

Is there a way I can iso people in thread? Seeing how many posts they have made in that 1 game & only posts in that game?

Currently, I'm just clicking on someone's profile, show posts and trying to go through and keep up with what page I'm on 😂

That's the only way to do it, yep.

Magma, I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing in Sal, so please enlighten me.

Give me your pov on Sal please! 🙏

Sal & Agent are neck & neck for me regarding whose appearing the most sus to me.

I'm not one to follow the herd, I'm one to make my own way & path, if that deviates from the rest so be it.

I'm not seeing much but fluff from Sal, same with Agent, neither are showing much fight or spirit to me.

Your rather confident that Sal won't be Lynched, which is fine - but I don't see how anything they have contributed could possibly have warranted immunity from the Day Vote.

I don't particularly think that he is town. My issue is that you tried to start a wagon when there were already two viable ones. And you waited until a few hours before deadline to do it. I think that most people will be hesitant to consider a new option at this point, considering they probably already have formed their own opinions on the people they are voting.

I don't see why starting a new wagon is a problem.

I had made it clear I was sus of Sal, at first I didn't feel I had enough to vote him, NQT replied they felt I had enough to vote Sal, I did my dive on Sal, nothing blew me away or changed my perspective - infact all that changed was Sal went from targeting Agent to you Magma.

Sal's progression hasn't made sense.

My progression is atleast based upon tangible reasoning and how Sal appears to have been jumping onto the back of several trains, rather than laying out his own opinions & reasonings.

Based on what Sal has said, he should only be voting me or Jim - yet he isn't.

[notquitethere]

I was thinking about how Imps are lawful evil in D&D, and Imp is very lawful in her approach to this game, playing by her own code. This inspired a very high effort joke where as there's exactly 9 of us, could we all be matched to spots in the alignment grid...



Yes I know I should be doing something useful like make a quote pyramid or something...

[AnimePigeon]

I was thinking about how Imps are lawful evil in D&D, and Imp is very lawful in her approach to this game, playing by her own code. This inspired a very high effort joke where as there's exactly 9 of us, could we all be matched to spots in the alignment grid...



Yes I know I should be doing something useful like make a quote pyramid or something...

Whilst this Forum is missing several features, it's missing a thumbs up 👍 feature the most

[notquitethere]

This was like 10 hrs ago, I would hope to see more from Agent.

Honestly, the smart move might just be to rush vote Agent before the EOD.

Whilst this Forum is missing several features, it's missing a thumbs up 👍 feature the most

Thank you.

[Magma Mater]

Day 1 - General Vibes/Feels

* Notquitethere - Seems to be showing some Genuine Hunting, Very Clear Townie or Sublime Sneaky Evil!

* Crystalizedmire - Seems to be on a similar vibe to me regarding Salvatore

* ToonyMan - Sounding Good, but definitely got some views that differentiate from me. They think Salvatore is good, but given Salvatore hasn't made many posts or much impact, I can see ToonyMan believing what he's preaching.

* Imp - Solid Performance so far, trickery customer, that can easily weasel her way into causing Trouble. Evidently clear immediately she wouldn't be on the chopping block today.

* Jim Groovester - feeling generally null on this seat, some good posts, some lesser posts, looking to see them get more into the game and cast there net further afield than Magma Mater.

* Magma Mater - Seems to sus me for me asking NQT & Tony to stop voting alongside the company they had (Salvatore), still wanting more from them, but I would say is inside there good range, even though they are wrong regarding there view on me.

* Agentt - Don't really know what to expect from Agent. Been rather underwhelming, spending majority of Day 1 self-preservation voting the next wagon, not really showing much fight or determination to not be Lynched. Expecting a lot more from this seat, but worried they are a Walking Mis-Lynch.

* Salvatore Monday - See This

Salvatore Monday isn't going to be lynched, that is why your vote on him is bad. You had the opportunity to choose to vote either Agentt or ToonyMan, and you decided to vote for neither, which is what I would expect you to do if you are mafia with one of them. Just vote for someone who has a chance to be lynched.

Is there a way I can iso people in thread? Seeing how many posts they have made in that 1 game & only posts in that game?

Currently, I'm just clicking on someone's profile, show posts and trying to go through and keep up with what page I'm on 😂

That's the only way to do it, yep.

Magma, I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing in Sal, so please enlighten me.

Give me your pov on Sal please! 🙏

Sal & Agent are neck & neck for me regarding whose appearing the most sus to me.

I'm not one to follow the herd, I'm one to make my own way & path, if that deviates from the rest so be it.

I'm not seeing much but fluff from Sal, same with Agent, neither are showing much fight or spirit to me.

Your rather confident that Sal won't be Lynched, which is fine - but I don't see how anything they have contributed could possibly have warranted immunity from the Day Vote.

I don't particularly think that he is town. My issue is that you tried to start a wagon when there were already two viable ones. And you waited until a few hours before deadline to do it. I think that most people will be hesitant to consider a new option at this point, considering they probably already have formed their own opinions on the people they are voting.

I don't see why starting a new wagon is a problem.

I had made it clear I was sus of Sal, at first I didn't feel I had enough to vote him, NQT replied they felt I had enough to vote Sal, I did my dive on Sal, nothing blew me away or changed my perspective - infact all that changed was Sal went from targeting Agent to you Magma.

Sal's progression hasn't made sense.

My progression is atleast based upon tangible reasoning and how Sal appears to have been jumping onto the back of several trains, rather than laying out his own opinions & reasonings.

Based on what Sal has said, he should only be voting me or Jim - yet he isn't.

Making reads doesn't make someone town. Take ToonyMan, for example. He has reads on everyone in the game. He was scumreading Crystalizedmire and Agentt super early. He started scumreading me later on when I started attacking him. He has town reads on everyone else in the game. Does this make ToonyMan town? Is it seriously that simple to get a townread from you?

[Crystalizedmire]

ToonyMan's voters have thrown their votes on ToonyMan and just kind of sat there. Magma Mater is still engaged with the game at least, but CM and Agent T have been comparatively quiet.

The thing is that I have very little to add to the conversation. I think that AP is probably town and is being genuine in suspecting Sal.

This was like 10 hrs ago, I would hope to see more from Agent.

Honestly, the smart move might just be to rush vote Agent before the EOD.

Agentt
I'm agreeing to vote Agentt because they're one of the players I suspect. I honestly don't think that Magma is scum but I also don't want a tie and an Agentt compromise might be for the best.

[Magma Mater]

The deadline is at like 7am on a Saturday for Agentt, I doubt he'll be showing up. He really should have posted before going to sleep.

[Magma Mater]

ToonyMan's voters have thrown their votes on ToonyMan and just kind of sat there. Magma Mater is still engaged with the game at least, but CM and Agent T have been comparatively quiet.

The thing is that I have very little to add to the conversation. I think that AP is probably town and is being genuine in suspecting Sal.

This was like 10 hrs ago, I would hope to see more from Agent.

Honestly, the smart move might just be to rush vote Agent before the EOD.

Agentt
I'm agreeing to vote Agentt because they're one of the players I suspect. I honestly don't think that Magma is scum but I also don't want a tie and an Agentt compromise might be for the best.

I don't think that Agentt is mafia. I would rather lynch Salvatore Monday, honestly, but ToonyMan is still my preferred lynch.

[Salvatore Monday]

Based on what Sal has said, he should only be voting me or Jim - yet he isn't.

I cannot fathom how you can possibly think this.

[notquitethere]

I would rather see where Imp votes before I move, though it would be rude of me not to switch to Agent after I suggested it.


Magma: 3: Jim Groovester, Salvatore Monday, ToonyMan
Salvatore Monday: 2: Anime Pigeon, notquitethere
ToonyMan: 2: Agentt, Magma Mater
Agentt: 1: Crystalizedmire

[Imp]

I was thinking about how Imps are lawful evil in D&D, and Imp is very lawful in her approach to this game, playing by her own code. This inspired a very high effort joke where as there's exactly 9 of us, could we all be matched to spots in the alignment grid...



Yes I know I should be doing something useful like make a quote pyramid or something...

As angry as I am for OOC reasons.  I absolutely am LE right now.  Very much so, loudly and strongly so, grrr.  Nice call, like it.

The moral of this story is, of course, that ChatGPT is dogshit at mafia and we shouldn't be indulging in this nonsense.

Well.  Probably yeah.  I'd totally centaur chess mafia with it if that were allowed, cause fun for me.  And centaur style, human listens to AI but makes the decisions, so the person should catch the problems.

But these are our raw votes and the post numbers they came from:

NQT 35 AP
Agent 39 Toons, 40 Toons,
Crystal 41 Sal
Sal 55 AP
Toons 56 Sal
Imp 58 Toons
NQT 82 AP
Agentt 91 AP
NQT 95 Agentt
Crystal 98 Agentt
Magma 101 Toons
Sal 102 Agentt
Toons 103 Agentt
Crystal 110 unvote
Imp 113 unvote
Imp 153 AP
Agentt 161 unvote
Agentt 169 Sal
Crystal 191 Toony
Jim 198 Agent
Agentt 202 Toony
Imp 209 unvote
NQT 225 AP
AP 230 Sal
Jim 232 Mater
Sal 234 Mater
NQT 248 Sal

A human wouldn't pick out the maf from that alone (would one?) so garbage in, garbage out because it's hard to teach the model to decline stuff it can't do well (it was told to do what it's told, even if that's guess an image content from a single pixel.  It could say, "I probably won't be very accurate" but you'd have to ask it 'how accurate would you be if I give you a pixel and ask you to predict the entire image'.) since it gets trained to do what it's told unless programming's a concern (unsafe, whatever).

[notquitethere]

Imp, I think the problem is that it's trained on data from the internet and the average scumhunting theory its picked up is just wrong. It was quite good about reporting the sequence of events if you tell it that. There might be a use case here, but I'm going to stay using my own brain for now.

Please vote. You know how suspicious I get of nonvoters. Don't complain on D2 if I have to waste a night action on you.

Right now, Crystal and me are happy to move back to Agent. The Toony wagon might collapse but you could prop it up. You could make the Sal wagon take off. Or you could ensure no one else ties the game with magma. You've got about five minutes.

[notquitethere]

*I mean, an hour and five minutes (right?)

[Imp]

I would rather see where Imp votes before I move, though it would be rude of me not to switch to Agent after I suggested it.


Magma: 3: Jim Groovester, Salvatore Monday, ToonyMan
Salvatore Monday: 2: Anime Pigeon, notquitethere
ToonyMan: 2: Agentt, Magma Mater
Agentt: 1: Crystalizedmire

Sorting out my thinking and feeling, before I get called by family yet again.  I can support an elim of Agentt based on what little I know so far.  Magma?  Maybe.  He appears to have made it clear he is not the one communicating with Agentt, or he set Agentt up to bow out easy (I think the first is more likely).  I dunno this communication stuff is correct or evil (seems unlikely to be good) but I don't like the showing agentt's been making.  Feels weird/wrong, though a case was made before the game started that Agentt changes how he plays in every game (haven't noticed that previously, haven't seen likely clues of it OOCly, and snarly about it if true, but that's for stuff that's irl and nothing to do with poor agentt if so).

Toony?

Something there, dunno how bad... as in, now AI... alignment indicative, guess should be precise in this odd chat with direct AI logs.

But yeah.  I do not yet trust Toons this game.  I doubt we elim him D1.

But that wagon on him is interesting.

Voters on toons, ignoring switches away.

Agent 39 Toons, 40 Toons,
Imp 58 Toons (he felt reachy pushy weird not good to me, but felt more normal since I challenged about it)
Magma 101 Toons
Crystal 191 Toony
Agentt 202 Toony

Dunno!  More reading needed.
Interesting that the Agentt wagon shrank to 1.