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[ToonyMan]

Okay, so if I believe Magma then scum has to be between Imp, NQT, and Sal.

One of these players killed Crystal.

[Imp]

Kind of confused about the rationale behind the dopp kill but not going to complain that the dopps are helping me solve the game.

I'm a Sneak. I was roommates with Magma Mater during N1 (he didn't know). Magma Mater didn't leave his house, so he is not a doppelganger.

My D1 game suspects have all been solved, so now I have to work through Imp, ToonyMan, notquitethere, Salvatore Monday, and AnimePigeon.

I visited Jim with my Role Last Night

Do you feel like you've told us a lot about your role with that, or not?

That's very much upto how others perceive this information from me.

I can't see any reason why I should need to reveal my role, or need to elaborate further than I have realistically.

I can't confirm whether Jim is Good/Evil, but I thought my action was best used on Jim.

There's a weird thing about targeting Jim, if Jim's honest.

I wonder if you got results on Jim.  Not my problem, but interesting about you, or not.  Hard to tell.  I dunno if you know what you're claiming, or care.  Or if you know how to read your results and can help us understand more about Jim's likely honesty.

I mean, it's interesting, your claim vs his.

I don't think you intended, but please try not to bring into the game whether you think
I care or don't care... I'm in the game, I'm posting, ofcourse I care. This isn't an attack against you, I know you have stuff going on irl & you've mentioned it yourself, just try not to question my interest or care in the game.

This is a 72 Hr Day Game.

Jim's Information wasn't even specifically about me, he claimed he was Roommates with Magma & that Magma didn't visit anyone. (Atleast that's my understanding)

Jim that used that to try and reduce his POE from Magma & Me, to just me.

My action has 0 impact on Jim's result.

How can I help Jim having a POE of just 2 people, given that would suggest if there is 1 Doppelgänger & 1 Evil, that he would need a 100% Accuracy on both in his POE.

Hey, AP.  Now that I'm done being furious.

I mean, for the moment.  Fury's coming back, hopefully not directed at you.

I'm mad there because I think you're literally telling me not to post what I think.

"I don't think you intended, but please try not to bring into the game whether you think"  That's rather broken grammar.  I think you're insulting me really deeply.  But maybe I just can't parse your phrasing.

Maybe your linebreak is an accident.

"I don't think you intended, but please try not to bring into the game whether you think
I care or don't care"

"I don't think you intended, but please try not to bring into the game whether you think I care or don't care"

Is that your issue?  If so, it's not offensive to me and I get why you reasonably can ask me not to do that, but where did your out of the wild yonder question come from?

I use the term 'I don't care'  About what you claim.  I'm not trying to get you to say, for example, "I'm a garbage compactor".  I'm okay with not discussing your claim at all for now, and focusing on other things.  It's 100% on you if you discuss whatever about your claim, for at least this D2.  If we're both alive later in the game I likely do revisit it with quite a few queries.  I see a lot to unpack there, but hey, you're the one who said it.  Could even be townie lies, I dunno, 'don't care'.

That has nothing to do about what I think about if you care or not, presumably about this game.

Which is what you go into:

"I'm in the game, I'm posting, ofcourse I care. This isn't an attack against you, I know you have stuff going on irl & you've mentioned it yourself, just try not to question my interest or care in the game."

Okay.  Fine.  Except I haven't.

Did you misunderstand me?  If so, where or how?

Because right now that looks like a hognose snake; nobody even noticed if it was there or not, and now it's doing this giant display of 'oh, I am so dead' in ways dead things never do.

Why'd you think I was saying you don't care about being here, posting or not, whatever?

Also, sorry for your feelings about that.  I don't claim responsibility for them unless someone can help me see where I messed up and presented that - but I am sorry you are hurting or whatever.

My issues with your claim, which I won't go into, don't actually have anything to do with Jim.  But that's for later than D2.

[Imp]

ToonyMan's voters have thrown their votes on ToonyMan and just kind of sat there. Magma Mater is still engaged with the game at least, but CM and Agent T have been comparatively quiet.

The thing is that I have very little to add to the conversation. I think that AP is probably town and is being genuine in suspecting Sal.

This was like 10 hrs ago, I would hope to see more from Agent.

Honestly, the smart move might just be to rush vote Agent before the EOD.

Agentt
I'm agreeing to vote Agentt because they're one of the players I suspect. I honestly don't think that Magma is scum but I also don't want a tie and an Agentt compromise might be for the best.

I don't think that Agentt is mafia. I would rather lynch Salvatore Monday, honestly, but ToonyMan is still my preferred lynch.

So, Mater.  How's your thoughts about Toony changed over time?  Would you still prefer to elim him over Sal?  If not, why not?

I kinda think you, or drunk you, would prefer an Imp elim to anyone else.

You have a very towny alibi, dunno what I think of your reads.  But what are they past 100% town on Jim (weirdly I am fine with that) and on AP (... dunno, could be)?

I'm also really interested in why you think I'm the most likely one to have killed Crystal, if you still think that.  "I was drunk, I don't think that" has the value it deserves, but hey.  What are you thinking about the game and the alignments?  I presume it's reads, which is why I want to get a shovel and dig however deep this hole goes.

[Imp]

Hey Toons.

@Magma:
I like making bold claims. I straight up called Agentt town in my first post which was dead wrong. My opinion can and will change on players.

I have not seen anything so far to dramatically change my view of Agentt or Crystal.

On the other hand I think higher of Sal and less of you, Magma, since the game started.

I'm looking at... is this your first post?

Where do you straight up call Agentt town?  You refer to it above, I wanna read it and maybe ask some questions.

well, I'm definitely dying n1

don't even bother investigating me, you'll see my flip anyway

That honor will belong to me.

Also I'm a kook don't inspect me N1 already!!

[ToonyMan]

@Imp:
I was talking about FBYOR7.

Agentt is town.

Nobody inspect me or bad things happen.

I could go for a tuna sandwich.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
AnimePigeon: 1: Imp
Salvatore Monday: 3: Magma Mater, notquitethere, ToonyMan


Day ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday

[Imp]

ponders

Well, for me Jim's trusted.  I do think that slot be town.

I'm open to the wild 'how did that happen' of Jim's report on Mater not matching reality, but for now Mater clearly couldn't have killed Crystal unless the game's weirder than it should be, no evidence of that.  I don't trust you, Mater, but I do go with 'sure, you're probably town'.  My heart of hearts doesn't see you outside my PoE though.

Toons is hard/iffy/weird.  Toons keeps pinging me.  But he's trying hard, and kinda feels good/bad/good to me.  Toons is inside PoE for me, but near the edge.

Sal, you're a grey area.  And I've seen you not fight hard when you've been grey area anti-town and headed likely down.  You kinda fail efficiently.  That's a relatively new pattern, not that many games with you, but I wonder if that's what I see here and if that's your pattern these days.  You are PoE to me.

AP is PoE to me.  Yes, I hear Mater's swearing he's town.  Okay... umm.  Could be.  Not going to bust through walls saying elim AP - and not saying I think AP does/doesn't care about the game either.  He asked me not to - don't think I have - carefully and explicitly agreeing, AP is playing, that's care about the game enough.  Hope you're okay, bud.

NQT is not quite robotic-like black box to me.  He is not annoying the heck out of me or acting super scummy.  Often when town recently he has, to my senses been quite off.  So, reward towny behavior and keep an eye on it.  He's enjoyed gentle vote manip, something I think NQT often likes as any alignment.  Awesome meme, great avatar adjustment art.  Can't read it, don't hate it.  No super-strong internal response.  He's promised more to come D2 when he's ready.  Cool, for the moment he's 'down in the mucky-muck of my PoE, and I tentatively guess I order them as

Jim/Imp
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Mater
Toons
NQT
Sal/AP

Yeah.  I trust Jim, that's fun and not mech and new.

Sal, glad maf didn't N1 you; hope that doesn't mean you're maf.  I'm really open to more posts.  I can't see myself voting Jim, I mean the evidence would need to be there, I just lack sus.

[Salvatore Monday]

Sal, you're a grey area.  And I've seen you not fight hard when you've been grey area anti-town and headed likely down.  You kinda fail efficiently.  That's a relatively new pattern, not that many games with you, but I wonder if that's what I see here and if that's your pattern these days.  You are PoE to me.

Not at all. In fact I simply don't think I'm "going down" this time. But, like ToonyMan, if I say the magic words, I die. I have to weigh whether to say them. If it comes down to it, I will. But, you know me. It's hard to convince myself to self-sacrifice.

I will say that I think it's almost certainly Anime, with ToonyMan the less likely alternative. Nobody else had to be on the Agentt wagon at any time. It's not that I can't imagine alternate realities - I can easily imagine the alternate reality where Imp decides to be a brutal bus-thrower instead of a caring mother hen this time, to keep the rest of us guessing, and gleefully lampshades it by talking about being extra evil in the thread, for just one example - but I think that's where most of the probability lies.

[ToonyMan]

I think it could be AnimePigeon too. I don't understand why Magma is so sure about AP or why they voted Imp earlier.

[Imp]

Sal, you're a grey area.  And I've seen you not fight hard when you've been grey area anti-town and headed likely down.  You kinda fail efficiently.  That's a relatively new pattern, not that many games with you, but I wonder if that's what I see here and if that's your pattern these days.  You are PoE to me.

Not at all. In fact I simply don't think I'm "going down" this time. But, like ToonyMan, if I say the magic words, I die. I have to weigh whether to say them. If it comes down to it, I will. But, you know me. It's hard to convince myself to self-sacrifice.

I will say that I think it's almost certainly Anime, with ToonyMan the less likely alternative. Nobody else had to be on the Agentt wagon at any time. It's not that I can't imagine alternate realities - I can easily imagine the alternate reality where Imp decides to be a brutal bus-thrower instead of a caring mother hen this time, to keep the rest of us guessing, and gleefully lampshades it by talking about being extra evil in the thread, for just one example - but I think that's where most of the probability lies.

Yeah.  I'ma totally bus some day.  Hopefully not effectively, but confusingly.  The evil stuff... I probably keep real.  It's real now and would be real, and unavoidable if I were maf.

I guess I see you and AP more potentially similar than I thought, on the same row not just for PoE level.  I'm not reaaally interested in digging into that mech claim.  I could maybe be mistaken as well.

Happily no hammers, I am averse to shorten.  We have time to hear and see what others think.  AP maybe comes back?  Hey.

Sal, did I say anything that you catch that is about him caring or not about the game?  I can be oblivious, you got shapeshifter eyes so -  willing to step into this one?

There's legit offense, even on misunderstanding, and there's 'huh, I'm accused so omg my foot's been stepped on my foot!.

Did I step on his foot?  Misdirection on his part?  What do you see?  Something else?  I'm confused.

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NQT is supposed to analyze more.

You don't appear to sus NQT.  Reasons?

[Salvatore Monday]

I guess I see you and AP more potentially similar than I thought, on the same row not just for PoE level.

I'm extremely curious what you mean by this.

Sal, did I say anything that you catch that is about him caring or not about the game?  I can be oblivious, you got shapeshifter eyes so -  willing to step into this one?

There's legit offense, even on misunderstanding, and there's 'huh, I'm accused so omg my foot's been stepped on my foot!.

Did I step on his foot?  Misdirection on his part?  What do you see?  Something else?  I'm confused.

Yes and no. You did say you don't know whether he realizes or cares what his claim implies; I take that literally, not as a slight, but he seems to have taken it as one. It is not unusual for a player who is mafia to interpret things in an overly hostile way, it's worth mentioning.

You don't appear to sus NQT.  Reasons?

I can imagine NQT bussing in those alternate realities. He might even be the player not named me MOST likely to do it, although I'm not sure. But he absolutely had plenty of chances not to lynch Agentt on d1, and I tend to think he would have taken them.

[Jim Groovester]

ToonyMan is caught up on Salvatore Monday's end of D1 vote on him, which is, okay, fair, I guess. I interpreted the vote as a tactical play to get me and ToonyMan to stop voting Magma Mater and to do something else and not necessarily an indication that he wanted ToonyMan dead and gone. Salvatore Monday hasn't claimed precisely the reasons I attributed to him but has claimed it was a tactical decision as well. notquitethere was making plays I likewise interpret as tactical moves end of D1 but appears to not have stepped on anybody's toes in the process somehow. Maybe ToonyMan is scum here but I think it's on the lower end of possibility.

AnimePigeon is caught up on how Salvatore Monday plays, which is whatever to me. It feels like AP is tunneling on Monday since regardless of which facts become available AP conveniently finds a way for Monday to be scum after evaluating them. AnimePigeon argued on D1 that Monday's suspicions of him were invalid because he hadn't jumped through town hoops X, Y, and Z, which is not a particularly convincing rebuttal and is also something I recall doing from time to time as scum.

I don't see what ToonyMan, AnimePigeon, or notquitethere see in Salvatore Monday, but all three aren't the remaining dopp so it's possible I'm wrong.

If you told me Magma Mater was an alien or other third party trying to get lynched I would believe it.

Imp I think is still probably town here. I think the same for notquitethere but perhaps not as confidently.

I'd like AnimePigeon to show back up so I can't poke at his reasoning for things.

If it's 2 dopps vs 7 town then the town has (under straightforward conditions) two mislynches to spare before it's lylo. If it's 2 dopps + 1 3p vs 6 town, or the conditions are not so straightforward, then the town has less leeway so it's important not to be complacent here. Under the straightforward scenario I find it difficult to see the final dopp escaping unless the final dopp performed a very convincing (and arguably heartless) bus on Agentt.

[notquitethere]

I'm caught up so far as reading D2, but I'm not caught up so far as updating my beliefs about the game.

I've got some mild structural vote reasons for suspecting Salvatore, as when given the chance, Sal acted in a way which could have saved Agent from elimination. That said, town players don't know anything, especially on D1, so this isn't decisive. After all, Magma was openly calling for a vet to be eliminated, saying Agent was a terrible pick, and Magma isn't the dopp.

Some of it is also POE, as I don't see Imp, Jim or Toony as as Agent's ally. Some people are saying AnimePigeon. This is interesting as Agent first gathered heat by putting the third vote on Pigeon. Would Agent do that to his only ally?

[Salvatore Monday]

Some of it is also POE, as I don't see Imp, Jim or Toony as as Agent's ally. Some people are saying AnimePigeon. This is interesting as Agent first gathered heat by putting the third vote on Pigeon. Would Agent do that to his only ally?

Anime would certainly tell him to do it even if he didn't think of it himself.

"Every vote before deadline is a shitpost."

[Imp]

I'm caught up so far as reading D2, but I'm not caught up so far as updating my beliefs about the game.

I've got some mild structural vote reasons for suspecting Salvatore, as when given the chance, Sal acted in a way which could have saved Agent from elimination. That said, town players don't know anything, especially on D1, so this isn't decisive. After all, Magma was openly calling for a vet to be eliminated, saying Agent was a terrible pick, and Magma isn't the dopp.

Some of it is also POE, as I don't see Imp, Jim or Toony as as Agent's ally. Some people are saying AnimePigeon. This is interesting as Agent first gathered heat by putting the third vote on Pigeon. Would Agent do that to his only ally?

Vote analysis is rather nascent for me, but I threw this together.

Never voted for Agentt:  AP, Mater,
Agentt never voted for: NQT, Crystal, Imp, Jim, Mater,

Summary:

Agentt:  Toons 39, 40; AP 91; 161 unvote; 169 Sal; 202 Toons

NQT:  95, 296
Crystal:  98, 276
Sal:  102, 322
Toons: 103, 319
Imp: 310
Jim: 317

EoD votes in bold.

Overall votes:

Agent 39 Toons, 40 Toons,
Agentt 91 AP
      NQT 95 Agentt
      Crystal 98 Agentt
      Sal 102 Agentt
      Toons 103 Agentt
Agentt 161 unvote
Agentt 169 Sal
Agentt 202 Toony
      Crystal 276 Agentt
      NQT 296 Agentt
      Imp 310 Agentt
      Jim 317 Agentt
      Toons 319 Agentt
      Sal 322 Agentt

I also wonder if Agentt's rapid revote of Toons, could be influenced by a partner, even just a minor statement taken as a 'fix this'.

But the two sends are just 43 seconds apart.

ToonyMan

Correcting this
ToonyMan

To be reactive would need a partner who was looking, commented something like 'always bold votes'.

Agentt to see that, get back to the thread and correct, all within 43 seconds.  Or said before, Agentt forgot, remembered, recorrected.

I think it's more likely that Agentt had guidance than self-spotted.  But he might.  NQT had recently voted in the thread, the bold and lack stands out, to Agentt that might be 'like guidance'.

I wonder enough to leave the wondering up.  But I don't have a solve on it.

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Would Agentt vote AP, if say AP was silent in the thread, and talkative in mafchat.  I feel strongly I see clear evidence Agentt wasn't often speaking as himself, he had a posting partner privately.  Definitely if AP recommended it.  I think Agentt would rather do what was advised than his own independent ideas, unless he really liked his idea(s).  I don't think AP would recommend 'vote me, I'll still be silent for a while too'.

Anyway, Unvote, I float and wonder what comes next; and what does AP do without any vote pressure.  I'm now all scared and stressed about some self destructive quips Sal mentioned, which I'd initially taken as rooted in this game despite hints they were rooted in an earlier game.  Now I'm all sad and unhappy about earlier game mentions and far less curious here myself.

But not shut down.  And Mater sure is a puzzle.

Some of it is also POE, as I don't see Imp, Jim or Toony as as Agent's ally. Some people are saying AnimePigeon. This is interesting as Agent first gathered heat by putting the third vote on Pigeon. Would Agent do that to his only ally?

Anime would certainly tell him to do it even if he didn't think of it himself.

"Every vote before deadline is a shitpost."

Huh.  Where's that quote from.

Not this game:

Jim and Crystal, on the current trajectory, who do you think is getting eliminated today? Is that a good choice?

I'm not sure but probably.

I'll pick the game back up later today.

Don't take my shitpost seriously.

Do you see evidence of what AP thinks of votes, Sal?  Could you mark it?