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[Imp]

My gut is telling me that TricMagic and Fallacy are town. Imp's gut seems to say that Vermilion is town, and I'm okay with that for now. Crystal is a problem I'll leave to Imp to solve as well.

Magma, do you want to lynch a veteran today?
Imp, how do you feel about Crystal? You've made implications.

Are you ignoring the caveat I put on, 'hrm, what if' about Verm?  Verm typically 'lock ins' to a vector for me.  Currently is vector-ish.  that could be normal town verm with just 2 posts for me to read, totally explaining the 'ish'.  It could be a maf Verm with an educated maf partner, clued into how to appear town to Imp.  That could also explain the 'ish'.

Oh.  That's understated, 'positive bleep! == Oh.'  Well, using stuff I like from when we talk privately about ideas.

Crystal's vector looks about 80%+ likely to be town, for different reasons than I'd use to mark Verm.

NEAT.

I am now super interested in finding out if Crystal actually is town; and I now want to play about 15 more games with Crystal in them and see how consistent this way to read Crystal is.

As I'd normally call it, though shortcut in how I got there:

Medium townlean, low to medium confidence, Crystal.

[Imp]

A bit leery of zemaj dipping after being lightly pushed but I could accept "it's the weekend" as an explanation.

Same, and for Verm too, though I requested more whenever of Verm and not specifically of Zem.

[Elephant Parade]

Glancing at their post history I notice that despite being here from the start they have yet to do literally anything at any point, which isn't very impressive. (I give them fewer points for claiming their submissions because Tric had just brought the topic up.)

oh god the mechanics

Tric: I can confirm I didn't submit any of your list, but that's not too helpful currently.

I'm a little shocked I don't see Warehouse 13 in the Materia list.

I made Dry, Ruin, and Glass.

Imp: Do you think you'll read me correctly this game?

Considering you can't take from slotted Materia, Steal either takes from unslotted Materia - or, more relevantly, it might be able to interfere with trades.
Magma might be setting up a 'history' of trading now in order to not look off if they're trading lots later.
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Made this earlier and then got distracted before I posted it, hi Imp.

One of my Materia counters a few other Materia, one is overall a miss, and one is mildly useful in the right slot.

I don't think claiming Materia can be equated to roleclaiming, but I still think publicly revealing potentially scum-sided Materia is a mistake when it's so easy to grab new Materia out of nowhere.

VermillionSkies, why haven't you done anything?

[Elephant Parade]

ToonyMan: I'm curious what you see in VS because I really don't get it at all.

[Elephant Parade]

ToonyMan: I'm curious what you see in VS because I really don't get it at all.

Oh, you already explained:

@Imp:
Verm feels honest to me, weird tinfoil theories that are wrong makes me think of NJW in a game (who was town) who had this crazy theory about FoU being scum (FoU was also town).

I have no read of Elephant I'm not confident calling them town but don't know if they smell bad.

While your evidence seems to point to the fact that most games I'm in with FoU that neither of us are the same alignment (which might explain why I always feel they're scum) I can think of at least two games where we were both town...and many many many others where this wasn't true. I don't believe they have felt good so far. Pointing out why Tric is town here is obvious and I feel they are antagonizing Magma who has done nothing wrong, perhaps sensing an opportunity with Verm and Tric on Magma.

Their theory feels more like forced FUD to me than genuine paranoia, but it's a blurry line.

[Imp]

A bit leery of zemaj dipping after being lightly pushed but I could accept "it's the weekend" as an explanation.

Same, and for Verm too, though I requested more whenever of Verm and not specifically of Zem.

Clarifying/adding:

Zem town in the recent Budget game, very frequent poster and town - but....

D1, the first real life day of D1, just 1 post.

Spoiler: timestamps of each post Zem made last game, date change and thread close times marked (click to show/hide)

April 27, 2025, 12:52:58 am
April 27, 2025, 12:50:40 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:43:48 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:39:42 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:32:12 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:13:43 am Sunday
on: April 26, 2025, 11:58:45 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 11:34:41 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 10:02:47 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 09:50:18 pm
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on: April 26, 2025, 08:27:18 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 07:18:19 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 07:02:12 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 06:57:30 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 03:07:12 am Saturday
on: April 25, 2025, 07:10:42 pm
on: April 25, 2025, 07:01:18 pm
on: April 25, 2025, 03:21:38 pm
on: April 25, 2025, 02:28:51 pm
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on: April 25, 2025, 08:12:12 am
on: April 25, 2025, 07:42:32 am
on: April 25, 2025, 07:40:42 am Friday
Day 2 start: on: April 25, 2025, 12:40:26 am
Hammer, no posting past: on: April 24, 2025, 12:27:11 am
on: April 23, 2025, 11:06:35 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 10:55:13 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 10:04:28 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 10:02:00 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 09:50:22 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 09:28:53 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 09:23:58 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:57:46 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:21:44 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:18:42 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:17:17 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 07:34:08 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 06:52:14 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 05:37:20 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 04:49:26 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 11:35:02 am
on: April 23, 2025, 01:21:51 am Wednesday
on: April 22, 2025, 11:49:44 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 11:47:20 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 10:34:37 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 10:20:19 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 09:55:11 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 09:10:08 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 08:43:56 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 07:37:58 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 07:03:09 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 03:07:53 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 02:48:54 pm First reads (detailed reasons too)
on: April 22, 2025, 12:04:54 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 12:03:32 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 08:24:29 am Tuesday
on: April 21, 2025, 10:50:29 am Monday

I like to check patterns, people's needs and availability can change between games regardless of alignment.

But it's semi-normal for Zem to be town but less involved early, very involved after a bit, based on last game.  I will be surprised if Zem disengages much, I didn't think that likely for him.

But a day away?  Makes so much sense.

[VermilionSkies]

Hey, hi, hello, PFP.
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The ‘stealing trades’ thing was absolutely meaningless, I threw it out there to see how Magma would react to slop being thrown at them this game.
They seem more reactive than usual? I remember it taking a lot more to get a vote out of them than this.
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I still don’t know how D1 play works, I’m going to be honest. I’ve been bedridden with a double ear infection recently and I haven’t really been finding significant time to dedicate to D1 either way.
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Bold take from Gail deciding that Imp can’t read me, considering they’ve read me with 100% accuracy so far.
Maybe this game is the one where I managed to get past them, though?

[VermilionSkies]

No real reads, but I’m enjoying Gail, Tric, and CM, and less enjoying Magma.
I think it’s going to be interesting mechanically N1.

[Elephant Parade]

Hey, hi, hello, PFP.
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The ‘stealing trades’ thing was absolutely meaningless, I threw it out there to see how Magma would react to slop being thrown at them this game.
They seem more reactive than usual? I remember it taking a lot more to get a vote out of them than this.
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I still don’t know how D1 play works, I’m going to be honest. I’ve been bedridden with a double ear infection recently and I haven’t really been finding significant time to dedicate to D1 either way.
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Bold take from Gail deciding that Imp can’t read me, considering they’ve read me with 100% accuracy so far.
Maybe this game is the one where I managed to get past them, though?

That's a perfectly valid excuse for low activity but my issue is that the two posts you did make felt a bit aimless. They didn't feel like they were pushing the game forward or forcing people to interact with you or creating material for your reads.

"It was a bad attack on purpose" is an interesting explanation, but it's weird to me that you'd fess up now rather than, like, when Magma voted you for it. I don't really buy it, sorry. Why wait so long?

Criticizing Gail here seems like something that could actually lead to an interaction with her and I'd consider unvoting you for it if not for the above.

A bit leery of zemaj dipping after being lightly pushed but I could accept "it's the weekend" as an explanation.

Same, and for Verm too, though I requested more whenever of Verm and not specifically of Zem.

Clarifying/adding:

Zem town in the recent Budget game, very frequent poster and town - but....

D1, the first real life day of D1, just 1 post.

Spoiler: timestamps of each post Zem made last game, date change and thread close times marked (click to show/hide)

April 27, 2025, 12:52:58 am
April 27, 2025, 12:50:40 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:43:48 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:39:42 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:32:12 am
on: April 27, 2025, 12:13:43 am Sunday
on: April 26, 2025, 11:58:45 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 11:34:41 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 10:02:47 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 09:50:18 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 09:10:45 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 08:50:26 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 08:38:22 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 08:27:18 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 07:18:19 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 07:02:12 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 06:57:30 pm
on: April 26, 2025, 03:07:12 am Saturday
on: April 25, 2025, 07:10:42 pm
on: April 25, 2025, 07:01:18 pm
on: April 25, 2025, 03:21:38 pm
on: April 25, 2025, 02:28:51 pm
on: April 25, 2025, 08:14:52 am
on: April 25, 2025, 08:12:12 am
on: April 25, 2025, 07:42:32 am
on: April 25, 2025, 07:40:42 am Friday
Day 2 start: on: April 25, 2025, 12:40:26 am
Hammer, no posting past: on: April 24, 2025, 12:27:11 am
on: April 23, 2025, 11:06:35 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 10:55:13 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 10:04:28 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 10:02:00 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 09:50:22 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 09:28:53 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 09:23:58 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:57:46 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:21:44 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:18:42 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 08:17:17 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 07:34:08 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 06:52:14 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 05:37:20 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 04:49:26 pm
on: April 23, 2025, 11:35:02 am
on: April 23, 2025, 01:21:51 am Wednesday
on: April 22, 2025, 11:49:44 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 11:47:20 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 10:34:37 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 10:20:19 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 09:55:11 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 09:10:08 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 08:43:56 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 07:37:58 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 07:03:09 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 03:07:53 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 02:48:54 pm First reads (detailed reasons too)
on: April 22, 2025, 12:04:54 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 12:03:32 pm
on: April 22, 2025, 08:24:29 am Tuesday
on: April 21, 2025, 10:50:29 am Monday

I like to check patterns, people's needs and availability can change between games regardless of alignment.

But it's semi-normal for Zem to be town but less involved early, very involved after a bit, based on last game.  I will be surprised if Zem disengages much, I didn't think that likely for him.

But a day away?  Makes so much sense.

OK. The timing still irks me but this ups the odds of it being a coincidence.

PPE:

No real reads, but I’m enjoying Gail, Tric, and CM, and less enjoying Magma.
I think it’s going to be interesting mechanically N1.

This post would have been much better if you had replaced the vague, pointless mechanical observation with something that might make someone talk to you.

[Salvatore Monday]

My gut is telling me that TricMagic and Fallacy are town. Imp's gut seems to say that Vermilion is town, and I'm okay with that for now. Crystal is a problem I'll leave to Imp to solve as well.

Magma, do you want to lynch a veteran today?
Imp, how do you feel about Crystal? You've made implications.

Are you ignoring the caveat I put on, 'hrm, what if' about Verm?  Verm typically 'lock ins' to a vector for me.  Currently is vector-ish.  that could be normal town verm with just 2 posts for me to read, totally explaining the 'ish'.  It could be a maf Verm with an educated maf partner, clued into how to appear town to Imp.  That could also explain the 'ish'.

Oh.  That's understated, 'positive bleep! == Oh.'  Well, using stuff I like from when we talk privately about ideas.

Crystal's vector looks about 80%+ likely to be town, for different reasons than I'd use to mark Verm.

NEAT.

I am now super interested in finding out if Crystal actually is town; and I now want to play about 15 more games with Crystal in them and see how consistent this way to read Crystal is.

As I'd normally call it, though shortcut in how I got there:

Medium townlean, low to medium confidence, Crystal.

I got the impression you felt townier about Vermilion than Crystal, but maybe I had it the wrong way around. Still, both of them are filed under "Imp's job" for me today. I also certainly don't want to vote for Imp just yet, although I'll have to see whether that stays true.

[VermilionSkies]

PFP
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As I mentioned, EP, I was quite solidly indisposed for a chunk of time. If I had meant it as a real attack, I would have at least included a vote with it.
I’m going to be wildly honest, I don’t want to get into a debate right now, because I’m unfortunately acknowledging that I’m not in a state to provide posts or arguments for one.

[Elephant Parade]

PFP
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As I mentioned, EP, I was quite solidly indisposed for a chunk of time. If I had meant it as a real attack, I would have at least included a vote with it.
I’m going to be wildly honest, I don’t want to get into a debate right now, because I’m unfortunately acknowledging that I’m not in a state to provide posts or arguments for one.

Sorry, I'm not saying I thought you meant the original post as a hard push—I didn't get that impression, hence my complaining about you not pushing people. I'm saying I thought it was your best effort at a sincere observation. Thinking about it, the fact that I found it insincere it is a point toward your explanation... except that it would also be insincere if you were scum.

Hope you're feeling better soon; I recognize that IRL circumstances can affect play in ways beyond post quantity. I'm still not removing my vote for now though.

[Imp]

My gut is telling me that TricMagic and Fallacy are town. Imp's gut seems to say that Vermilion is town, and I'm okay with that for now. Crystal is a problem I'll leave to Imp to solve as well.

Magma, do you want to lynch a veteran today?
Imp, how do you feel about Crystal? You've made implications.

Are you ignoring the caveat I put on, 'hrm, what if' about Verm?  Verm typically 'lock ins' to a vector for me.  Currently is vector-ish.  that could be normal town verm with just 2 posts for me to read, totally explaining the 'ish'.  It could be a maf Verm with an educated maf partner, clued into how to appear town to Imp.  That could also explain the 'ish'.

Oh.  That's understated, 'positive bleep! == Oh.'  Well, using stuff I like from when we talk privately about ideas.

Crystal's vector looks about 80%+ likely to be town, for different reasons than I'd use to mark Verm.

NEAT.

I am now super interested in finding out if Crystal actually is town; and I now want to play about 15 more games with Crystal in them and see how consistent this way to read Crystal is.

As I'd normally call it, though shortcut in how I got there:

Medium townlean, low to medium confidence, Crystal.

I got the impression you felt townier about Vermilion than Crystal, but maybe I had it the wrong way around. Still, both of them are filed under "Imp's job" for me today. I also certainly don't want to vote for Imp just yet, although I'll have to see whether that stays true.

Hehe.  Note the post counts too, presuming you pull from my early reads; at that time

My reads are in Reply #87 on: May 03, 2025, 06:22:47 pm »

At that time, the folks in question made posts of timestamps:

Verm
on: May 03, 2025, 07:32:07 am »
on: May 03, 2025, 01:29:03 pm »

Crystal
on: May 03, 2025, 09:15:01 am »
on: May 03, 2025, 01:21:05 pm »

As of my update (and not considering since), made at Reply #135 on: Today at 01:14:44 pm »

Verm had no additional posts yet

Crystal had all these:
on: May 03, 2025, 06:34:18 pm »
on: May 03, 2025, 08:56:48 pm »
on: Today at 09:34:32 am »
on: Today at 09:53:14 am »

Plus a new way for me to consider trying to see if I can read Crystal's alignment, which I wasn't even considering when I had 2 posts from each.

So, your impressions are right!  When rooted in time.  And less reasonable when timeline is flattened out.

I currently lean townie on them both though.  Want to continue to see more from Verm when he's ready, but 'out sick' is fair to add into evals.

I'm cool with you having your own jobs, eager to see what you do over time!

[Imp]

I don't wanna grow up, cause maybe if I did...

I don't wanna place a vote yet, cause maybe if I did...

Here's my reads though.  Any names that touch, they're approximately equal.  A gap in a category means 'more sure of the higher'.

It is worth updating my PoE and stuff.

Townlean:
Elephant

FoU

Tric
Verm (caveat, if Verm does flip maf, reconsider either/both Crystal and FoU)

Gail (I really like Gail.  I sure hope Gail's town.  Gail is probably town.  I have little Gail meta, but reservations put Gail here for me for now)
Crystal (My method of reading crystal is untested, let alone not proven.  My normal method has a weak and low certainty townlean, so here)
Too soon to determine:
Sal (Hi, you are a native of this zone!  Welcome back!)
Mater (Hi, passport please, and... no.  You've probably touched it with your fingers.  Electronic send of your papers, please)
PoE
Zem (Zem seems pushable/defensive too, in a way unlike last known-town game)
Toons (Appreciate some statements, very sus on others.  Toons is skating around when pushed, like on Gail!)

[FallacyofUrist]

I think Verm and Crystal together are the... leverage point. How the other players interact with them will reveal plenty.

I'll need to take a look at them both.

The whole ear infection thing sucks, though. Probably not worth pressuring Verm at this point, consequently.

I don't necessarily trust Verm's specific interpretation of Magma, but agree Magma is worth paying attention to. "I made a meaningless attack on purpose" is a lot weirder than "Maybe my attack was bad" or "My attack is good!" though.

Crystal is pretty heavy on the gut feelings. Not much substance so far, but there's room to improve.