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[zemaj]

Now for what I noticed on read-through, and needed a bit to articulate...  If I could get a response to this, specifically from Tric, Sal, & FoU, whom I know played with me in those ~2yr-ago-games, I would hugely appreciate it.


So, not to be too on-point here, but is anyone else kinda getting vibes from Toons?  Of the 'off' variety, specifically?  I may have missed a development in his personal meta, but I remember him being, like, amazing at the delivery of complex thoughts in single sentences.  A master of the unspoken, between-the-lines, what isn't said means as much as what is, type of player.  Also super-confident in his reads.

This game he is verbose af, comparative to my recollection, and seems about as subtle as a neon safety-orange brick, mid-flight, headed towards your face...

Amazingly wishy-washy with it as well, as Imp noticed in post #165.  I'll add to the "EP is null" to "EP is town" fast-shift there with walking back his position on FoU from 'read' to 'vibes' (post #117) after a slight prod from Sal (posts #110 & #112), which is so totally uncharacteristic of my previous games with him, where he was town both times.

It could be the time since, or just an off couple of days, but it is jarring comparing my recollections to his play this game.  Or am I just misremembering?  (Seems unlikely, as I have reread those two games, relatively recently, but I suppose is possible)


Sleep now... I look forward to responses.

[zemaj]

oh yeah... nearly forgot: ToonyMan

[ToonyMan]

@Elephant:
I guess my read of Vermilion has lowered a little overtime as I have not seen any positive points.

@Imp:
I don't have a read on Elephant (or Sal). Magma said they felt you and Elephant seemed town which is a statement I can probably agree with because 1. They are a player I townread and 2. I think you're town Imp.

@Zemaj:
I'm actually a rotating account between me and my 15 siblings it's my turn to play for this game I hoped it wouldn't be obvious. I am sad that I am considered inadequate compared to tryhard!Toony or even caveman!Toony.

[ToonyMan]

@Zemaj:
Elephant was slightly townreading you because you dropped materia info right out the gate which seems bold as scum (also probably unplanned with partners). I think that's a correct assessment. That's one reason why Vermilion gained town points in my eyes since I felt it townie to be open like that so early and unprompted.

How do FoU and Verm make you feel this game?

[FallacyofUrist]

Now for what I noticed on read-through, and needed a bit to articulate...  If I could get a response to this, specifically from Tric, Sal, & FoU, whom I know played with me in those ~2yr-ago-games, I would hugely appreciate it.

So, not to be too on-point here, but is anyone else kinda getting vibes from Toons?  Of the 'off' variety, specifically?  I may have missed a development in his personal meta, but I remember him being, like, amazing at the delivery of complex thoughts in single sentences.  A master of the unspoken, between-the-lines, what isn't said means as much as what is, type of player.  Also super-confident in his reads.

This game he is verbose af, comparative to my recollection, and seems about as subtle as a neon safety-orange brick, mid-flight, headed towards your face...

Amazingly wishy-washy with it as well, as Imp noticed in post #165.  I'll add to the "EP is null" to "EP is town" fast-shift there with walking back his position on FoU from 'read' to 'vibes' (post #117) after a slight prod from Sal (posts #110 & #112), which is so totally uncharacteristic of my previous games with him, where he was town both times.

It could be the time since, or just an off couple of days, but it is jarring comparing my recollections to his play this game.  Or am I just misremembering?  (Seems unlikely, as I have reread those two games, relatively recently, but I suppose is possible)

To be honest, it felt very specifically like he's setting me up to be executed later. I'm typically a very easy execution (colloquially, due to my 'aura of suspicion'), and Toony treated my questioning of Magma as an attack on Magma, which felt strange.

There does seem to be a Elephant Parade - ToonyMan - Magma Mater block. I doubt all three of them are scum, because whenever I try to call a full scumteam, it fails miserably. But at minimum I think we'll find at least one mafia player within this block.

Yeah, well, I should put my materia where my mouth is. ToonyMan.

[TricMagic]

Might be a bit too much to read now. From page ten.

Crystal, why don't you want to reveal defensive properties? Is it because they would reveal your materia?

[Magma Mater]

There does seem to be a Elephant Parade - ToonyMan - Magma Mater block. I doubt all three of them are scum, because whenever I try to call a full scumteam, it fails miserably. But at minimum I think we'll find at least one mafia player within this block.

Why?

[Elephant Parade]

@Elephant:
I guess my read of Vermilion has lowered a little overtime as I have not seen any positive points.

Here's why I asked:

@Imp:
Verm feels honest to me, weird tinfoil theories that are wrong makes me think of NJW in a game (who was town) who had this crazy theory about FoU being scum (FoU was also town).

The ‘stealing trades’ thing was absolutely meaningless, I threw it out there to see how Magma would react to slop being thrown at them this game.
They seem more reactive than usual? I remember it taking a lot more to get a vote out of them than this.

Did the reveal that the tinfoil theory was insincere not affect your read?

[Elephant Parade]

@zemaj: I don't think claiming your submissions is scummy. I'm just not sure it actually helps town. An action can be simultaneously anti-town and towny.

OK I see why you wouldn't have considered that necessary to respond to.

[Crystalizedmire]

Might be a bit too much to read now. From page ten.

Crystal, why don't you want to reveal defensive properties? Is it because they would reveal your materia?

Ferret prevents stealing.
Counter-psychic is fairly on the nose.
My other materia I don't want to reveal at all.
Elephant parade: Okay got it

[ToonyMan]

@FoU:
I used "antagonizing" which is probably too biased of a word, but it's a correct word to use if my feeling is correct about your insincerity towards Magma. I don't know if it's correct and I like voting when I feel more confident. It's easier for me to judge a player as good as opposed to bad. This is because if I read a player as bad I believe it's more possible they could actually be good then the other way around (a player I read as good is actually bad).

I am not surprised that the two players I have put my largest suspicions on have voted me although it's interesting how unabashedly they both did so, it makes it harder for me to believe they're both mafia (which is probably giving myself too much credit anyway).

@Elephant:

@Imp:
Verm feels honest to me, weird tinfoil theories that are wrong makes me think of NJW in a game (who was town) who had this crazy theory about FoU being scum (FoU was also town).

The ‘stealing trades’ thing was absolutely meaningless, I threw it out there to see how Magma would react to slop being thrown at them this game.
They seem more reactive than usual? I remember it taking a lot more to get a vote out of them than this.

Did the reveal that the tinfoil theory was insincere not affect your read?

I didn't read that. I guess Verm looks worse to me now.

@Crystal:
If you don't want to trade with Magma then who would you want to trade with?
Trade 1 materia with Crystal for 1 materia

@Sal:
Want to trade?
Trade 1 materia with Sal for 1 materia

[Elephant Parade]

@Imp:
Verm feels honest to me, weird tinfoil theories that are wrong makes me think of NJW in a game (who was town) who had this crazy theory about FoU being scum (FoU was also town).

The ‘stealing trades’ thing was absolutely meaningless, I threw it out there to see how Magma would react to slop being thrown at them this game.
They seem more reactive than usual? I remember it taking a lot more to get a vote out of them than this.

Did the reveal that the tinfoil theory was insincere not affect your read?

I didn't read that. I guess Verm looks worse to me now.

Do you still like FoU less?

[Imp]

I didn't read that. I guess Verm looks worse to me now.

Hehe.  Verm used a ploy?  Supposedly town Verm used a ploy right out the bat?

These were Verm's disclosures after his first game here, the BYOMonster that I met him in, marked him as likely town despite never having seen him before, and... I get why someone might think him scum that game.  He... like lied about everything.

I was absolutely not bulletproof whatsoever.
This game was silly, I enjoyed it.

I don't think I'll be joining too many mafia games, but maybe if another BYOR shows up where I can submit something interesting.

Cerberus (Town)

Welcome, VermilionSkies. You are Cerberus, that great three-headed beast who needs no introduction! Ironic that you would be summoned from the netherworld into a situation so likely to return you to it! In any event, you are aligned with the Town. You win when all Anti-Town factions are dead and at least one member of the Town is alive.

You have the following abilities:

(Auto, 3-shot) Three Heads: You automatically protect yourself from an oncoming kill at the cost of a shot of this ability. If this ability runs out of shots, you die. You may act as many times per Phase as you have shots of this ability. You may use the same action multiple times per Phase.

(Night) Underworld Guardian [t]: Intercept kills aimed at the target (you die instead).

(Night) Spirit Harrier: At the end of the night, learn the targets and results (if any) of all dead players.

Here's my role that I almost entirely lied about!
Also, both AP/Hec/Toony and Oliver knew my role's name while 4mask was still alive.

Oh man.  Did you tell them?  I knew it too, was why I considered your claim about learning targets and results of dead players, that's a decent Cerebus thing.

Yep, just claimed it in agentchat, in the hopes it would pressure them into claiming it back.
Did, uh, not expect them to have an immediate groupchat to someone who can bypass everything to kill a target if they know their name.
Still would have lived it though, if it had happened, because I doubt they would have doubled up on killing me with a mafiakill that strong.

This Verm is... maybe less useful, when town, as a town Sal when actually town.

But I don't care how Verm plays, if he looks townie.

This Vermilicious dude has an entire atypical way of thinking and skillsets, plural, that I find useful... or I destroy (evidence, CYOS2, where he was my D1 elim push and was indeed maf).

Verm has been known to use tinfoil and insincerity in the service of town.

While we're pushing your reads around, Toony, where'd this push send 'em?

[Magma Mater]

Yeah, I'm fine with VermilionSkies lying. My problems are that 1) he probably wasn't lying about the materia he submitted, which was the main thing I disliked about his opening post, 2) I don't really but that he made up some crackpot theory just to test my reaction.

[Magma Mater]

Yeah, I'm fine with VermilionSkies lying. My problems are that 1) he probably wasn't lying about the materia he submitted, which was the main thing I disliked about his opening post, 2) I don't really buy that he made up some crackpot theory just to test my reaction.

EBWOP