There's no reason to believe that you aren't lying about your claim, Jim. What exactly is stopping you from being the one that lied about your assist? I know mine, and I know that it was Water. I knew Water's power and I knew what I would get from assisting it, but I don't know anything about the other schools.
Well, obviously. But I know that I'm not lying. So it's got to be one of you.
Great, now we have all the assists. Since all you apprentices who assisted Earth can easily prove that you did (by revealing you know the Word of Protection), I'm going to ask that you do that now.
No point, why bother?
There's nothing wrong with extra information when it can be
easily confirmed. Why do you have a problem with it? Is it going to reveal that you fake claimed your assist? If not, then why don't you do it?
Of course I'm adamant, because that's what happened.
"That's what happened?" How would you know that?
Because I'm town.
DUR.
Why are you so adamant it's not? Apparently it's an absurd possibility that Dariush can be a fucking moron and a scum sorcerer at the same time. He needs no additional party to instruct him to be a dumbfuck.
See, here's that contradiction you keep refusing to acknowledge. You're going on and on about how fucking stupid he is and how this is perfectly normal and nonsuspicious, while maintaining that bussing him would be unthinkable.
And I do think it's an absurd possibility that a sorcerer, somebody who has a list right in front of him, could fakeclaim so badly that everyone else in the game knew he was lying. Even for a subpar player, this is well over the realm of incompetence.
I wouldn't plan on bussing Dariush. I'd avoid it if it was at all possible. I wouldn't tell Dariush in scum chat: "Dariush, it's the start of Day 2. Things are looking pretty grim, what with nobody suspecting me, besides you, and you looking not too hot. The situation is clearly desperate and irrecoverable. Here's what I need you to do. I need you to try and get me lynched. But I also need you to fail. I have full confidence in you that you are completely incompetent and will fail miserably in this. I believe in you. But getting me lynched is not the plan. It's getting you lynched. Even though I could get you lynched just for you being you, I need you, after several days of being bat shit retarded, to claim that you inspected me and that I am scum. Don't worry that you're actually telling the truth. Everybody will think you're lying. Also, here's a list of fake spell I came up with, to remove all your credibility. This plan is perfect. Can you do this for me, Dariush. Can you do this?" I would tell him: "Dariush, it's near the end of Day 2. I'm going to have to bus you." Because that's a vastly more reasonable scenario where both he and I are scum.
Furthermore, it's stupid to assume any level of competence in the scum team. And it's even more stupid to throw in the target of Dariush's fake claim because you can't believe that the scum team could be that incompetent. Think again. Refusal to believe it is deliberate on your part. And it's my particular contention that whenever people are being extremely unreasonable, like you are right now, it's because you're scum and have something to gain from doing so. You see this all the time whenever people choose to not believe role claims (especially the damning but truthful ones), or whenever people believe fucking stupid scenarios that incriminate their target, like you are now.
So how about we quit arguing about this, because I'm tired of telling you how you're wrong, only for you to burst back in here with your dunce cap on full display and say, "NUH UH!"
And voting Dariush after his fake claim wasn't the only thing I was looking for. Things like completely ignoring him, like you did, until you couldn't any longer, as well as other things. When Dariush happens so suddenly there's usually a lot information to be gleaned about people's positions prior to and after the fake claim.
Is there, now. But only when it clears you or condemns your attacker. Gotcha.
And I didn't completely ignore him, I just never had any really meaningful interaction with him. This happens to be true of you regarding everyone except Dariush and vadia. And me, but only after my fairy tale.
See the very end of this post.
You're not using my argument against you correctly against me.
It didn't occur to me that deliberate foul play by a scum apprentice was responsible for the missing assist.
It didn't occur to you that a scum apprentice might not assist a town school.
Right.
Yes, that's what happened.
So what if all three sorcerers were on it? That doesn't mean anything. This is an overreaction. I didn't even ask you to justify the TacoDan vote, and here you are with anger over it. Why so insecure about it?
If you don't want me to justify it, you must not think it needs explanation. So why bring it up at all?
To point out how scummy your scum picks are.
If you weren't sure about Dariush, why didn't you ask him any questions? You were dead silent. That seems like something you should find out. But... nothing out of you.
I did ask him questions. They didn't provide anything I could really go anywhere with, and almost everyone else was already on him regardless.
But please, explain why this is scummy now. You had no opinion of me or Toaster and no intention of asking us questions. Hm.
So what if everybody was? You stated nothing about even your opinion on Dariush. As far as everybody else was concerned, you didn't have an issue with him at all. And even when everybody started to turn on Dariush (which wasn't the fake claim, by the way) you were still silent, and decided it'd be a better idea to go vote KaminaSquirtle for lurking.
I gave my opinion: reasonably town. There was no reason to ask questions because I had no reason to suspect you or Toaster at the time.
And the point of all of this was to point out how completely safe all your targets were. It's easy to jump on the TacoDan bandwagon, because he was being dumb. It's easy to beat up on the noob, because he was being dumb. It's easy to go after KaminaSquirtle, because he's lurking up a storm. All your suspicions required very little effort to hold, so it doesn't look like you're particularly interested in finding scum, instead of just blending in.
Fair enough, but you've neglected to explain why any of those targets were poor choices. Or why I hopped off vadia or accused you at the start of D3. Surely there were easier targets than that?
It also happens to be true of almost everyone; most people were on Taco Dan or vadia at the end of D1, and hopped on Dariush D2. You were certainly no exception: vadia D1, switching to Dariush at the end, and then pretty much Dariush with a light side of lurkers through D2. D3, OMGUS. Doesn't get much safer than that.
Well, surely, if all these members of the town thought the same as you, that you must also be a member of the town.
Doesn't work like that. Quit trying to hide behind everybody else who was town and wrong about their suspicions.
It can't be any more obvious to me that you're scum.
And yet you were "completely ignoring [me], until you couldn't any longer" and being "dead silent" about it until now.
So, what, I'm your scumbuddy?
This is what happens when you try and use my language for your own purposes. Because if you were paying attention, you would know that I'm accusing you and Dariush of being scum partners because you completely ignored each other beyond token bullshit except when you had to.
Applying it to this situation is essentially accusing me of being your scum partner.
It doesn't work out. You should probably stop trying instead of throwing "NUH UH" attacks back at me, because it's really fucking annoying.
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