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Are you gonna get Pokemon Sword or Pokemon Shield?

I ATTAC
- 8 (15.4%)
I PROTECC
- 6 (11.5%)
Waiting on the third one
- 2 (3.8%)
Waiting on the third AND fourth one
- 1 (1.9%)
GET WELL SOON ZYGARDE
- 5 (9.6%)
I am a concientous objector and abstain from taking up arms
- 30 (57.7%)

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Author Topic: A Thread about the Pokemans: POKEMANS ON MOTORCYCLES  (Read 651195 times)

Tawa

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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3285 on: June 17, 2014, 10:33:32 am »

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Liepard

DIS.

DIS SO MUCH.

I've been doing stuff in my old Black for a few weeks now, and I battle Cheren on a regular basis for fun and profit.

"Go, Samurott!"
"Go, Liepard!"
"Samurott, use Megahorn!"
"HAHA NOPE"
*fakeout*
>:|

So. Much. Time-wasting. Cheren is a time-wasting MACHINE. He has Fake Out, his Serperior has a Focus Sash, I don't have any supereffectives on Water...
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3286 on: June 17, 2014, 10:44:17 am »

You should see what a real Liepard will do to you. :P

It has prankster, so any non-attacking moves will go first.

So:

1. Go Mewtwo!
2. Mewtwo got confused.
3. Mewtwo got paralyzed.
4. Liepard is hiding behind a substitute forever.
5. Mewtwo can't decide whether to be paralyzed or to punch himself in the face.

I think Klefki can do this too, but thankfully I haven't ran into it yet.

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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3287 on: June 17, 2014, 11:05:53 am »

You should see what a real Liepard will do to you. :P

It has prankster, so any non-attacking moves will go first.

So:

1. Go Mewtwo!
2. Mewtwo got confused.
3. Mewtwo got paralyzed.
4. Liepard is hiding behind a substitute forever.
5. Mewtwo can't decide whether to be paralyzed or to punch himself in the face.

I think Klefki can do this too, but thankfully I haven't ran into it yet.

O_O
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3288 on: June 18, 2014, 08:09:31 am »

Jirachi Perma Hax?
I presume that's a play on the serene Grace Upping Secondary effect chances...

And how exactly is Breloom in that top 10?
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3289 on: June 18, 2014, 08:23:16 am »

I'd assume either Spore + stuff or Poison Heal + Leech Seed.
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3290 on: June 18, 2014, 08:24:45 am »

I'd assume either Spore + stuff or Poison Heal + Leech Seed.
Doesn't it die in like one hit though due to defenses?
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3291 on: June 18, 2014, 08:29:44 am »

Bullet Punch lets it get in a hit immediately. Couple that with Fighting type and it's a beast to take down with lots of sweepers.
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3292 on: June 18, 2014, 08:47:47 am »

Bullet Punch lets it get in a hit immediately. Couple that with Fighting type and it's a beast to take down with lots of sweepers.

Plus no one likes flying types apparently.
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3293 on: June 18, 2014, 08:57:21 am »

Bullet Punch lets it get in a hit immediately. Couple that with Fighting type and it's a beast to take down with lots of sweepers.

Plus no one likes flying types apparently.
Excuse me but uh...Talonflame users disagree with you vehemently.

As for Breloom though, yeah i get Mach punch...but...i was asking about the leech-seed and Spore stuff as those leave the Breloom open for a hit.
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3294 on: June 18, 2014, 08:58:32 am »

Bullet Punch lets it get in a hit immediately. Couple that with Fighting type and it's a beast to take down with lots of sweepers.

Plus no one likes flying types apparently.
Excuse me but uh...Talonflame users disagree with you vehemently.

As for Breloom though, yeah i get Mach punch...but...i was asking about the leech-seed and Spore stuff as those leave the Breloom open for a hit.

Talonflame is about the only one people like.

I think the issue with flying types is pretty much encapsulated with Pidgy

Pidgy is a flying pokemon whose highest offensive stat is Attack... but who gets almost only special attack based moves.
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3295 on: June 18, 2014, 09:38:44 am »

Bullet Punch lets it get in a hit immediately. Couple that with Fighting type and it's a beast to take down with lots of sweepers.

Plus no one likes flying types apparently.
Excuse me but uh...Talonflame users disagree with you vehemently.

As for Breloom though, yeah i get Mach punch...but...i was asking about the leech-seed and Spore stuff as those leave the Breloom open for a hit.

Talonflame is about the only one people like.

I think the issue with flying types is pretty much encapsulated with Pidgy

Pidgy is a flying pokemon whose highest offensive stat is Attack... but who gets almost only special attack based moves.
It's probably worth noting that Charizard (and more precisely, its Y Mega) and Mega Pinsir also both rank higher than Breloom as well.  Other flying types of note that rank higher are Thundurus, Landorus (both Therian and Incarnate), Dragonite, Skarmory, Mandibuzz, Gyarados (non-Mega), and Gliscor; they may not all use flying attacks regularly themselves, but they can typically tank one or both of Breloom's STABs, especially since so many of these are physically defensive as well.  OU is actually pretty flying-heavy (over a quarter of it has flying type), which is why it's so nice that Technician Breloom gets Rock Tomb.  It's a threat that has to be respected for the first couple turns at a minimum, until you can confirm that it's either a Poison Heal variant or simply not running that move.  It absolutely hammers Talonflame, Charizard, and Pinsir on the switch, and puts a dent in Thundurus, Gyarados, Zapdos, and Togekiss.  The speed drop also helps it get 2HKOs; even a Weakness Policy Dragonite, which has little to fear otherwise, has to watch out for the speed drop and resulting vulnerability to revenge-kills. 
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3296 on: June 18, 2014, 10:26:04 am »

I only just find Breloom annoying because it's so hard to switch into, especially if you don't have a sap sipper or grass type.

If you find yourself in a position where you have something slower than Breloom on the field when Breloom comes in... well... spores for everyone. It's just annoying. I don't find it overpowered as sleep is not very reliable and it takes Breloom like 3 turns to set up usually before it becomes to uber sweeper or tank. However, it's a massive pain. It's why I like to keep a sap sipper in my team (along with a storm drain user).

If I made a list of overpowered pokemon it'd probably look like this instead:

1. Mewtwo Y
2. Xerneas

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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3297 on: June 18, 2014, 10:31:05 am »

And how many of those Culise are used for their flying attacks?

Most of the time they are simply used for their immunities. Heck one of the Charizards lose their flying.
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3298 on: June 18, 2014, 10:48:24 am »

And how many of those Culise are used for their flying attacks?

Most of the time they are simply used for their immunities. Heck one of the Charizards lose their flying.
All I'm meant to say originally is that there is no evidence that "no one likes flying types," considering that 13 of the 48 OU Pokemon are exactly that.  I went on to countering Breloom with fliers, and that's why I separated the two lists and explicitly specified Charizard Y.  The first list does frequently run flying attacks (as do Skarmory and Togekiss); for the second list, it's typically enough that the Pokemon can shrug off most of what Breloom can throw at it, thanks to their flying type, and hit hard with neutral attacks.  Mandibuzz, for instance, is almost a perfect counter - Overcoat blocks Spore, Foul Play turns Swords Dance against it, and it'll take 3-4 turns for Breloom to do enough damage to knock out Mandibuzz.  Gliscor worries only about Technician Bullet Seed, and that only if it's using a Toxic-stall set (which, to be fair, is the main set).  Skarmory doesn't even care about that.  Dragonite trivially gets the OHKO without even a single super-effective move or any boosts, and even outspeeds Breloom as long as it's using Jolly; Jolly Gyarados has a good chance at the same with a single Dragon Dance and the non-STAB Ice Fang (and Adamant guarantees it).  The others, however, need to worry about Rock Tomb, and Spore is a threat to everything except Mandibuzz unless you run a format with Sleep Clause and sponge it off on another Pokemon first. 

Basically, Breloom's sets are unpredictable, which means that you need to figure out your counter based on what it runs, and that takes time in which it is setting up and getting ready to sweep.  There are more reasons why Breloom is dangerous than just "no one likes flying types."  Umiman pretty much summed it up, especially outside of formats that use Sleep Clause.  It's not overpowered, but it's not a matter of no one using fliers. 
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Re: A Thread about the Pokemans: HOENN CONFIRMED!!! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
« Reply #3299 on: June 20, 2014, 01:00:33 am »

So according to the info Serebii Posted...
The Rupee Gremlin (Mega-Sableye) gets Magic Bounce but keeps it's typing. And increased DEF & SPAT but less SPEED.

Hmm, I wonder how this will effect it's uses...
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