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[Putnam]

oh my god i'm stupid

i read a bit, went "ew politics" then immediately realized "WHY AM I POSTING IN THIS THREAD"

god, now i'm disappointed in myself for only thinking that when reading the above post and not the ones before, i probably should've bailed out right when I saw kotakuinaction mentioned

[Putnam]

see that's what i mean, all i've done is insult religion in the last page and you immediately assume i'm some sort of dirty ess jay dubya for complaining about politics

when i mentioned KiA, I meant that anyone who would bring up an association with KiA is also gonna cause problems due to political stuff and i should've recognized that as a warning sign, but didn't until I saw the most obvious strawman known to man

[Baffler]

So, while we're on the subject of women's rights, how about we actually start defending them in our countries?

I've been particularly feminist in the past week, and am very interested in hearing the stories about how we, in the western world, have stood up for our women compared to these people who are obviously from a very barbaric region of the world. This is especially important in the coming months as the war against women's rights in America is picking up fast, so please, enlightened people, tell me how you've been highlighting the plights.

Morrigi, how have you helped the feminist cause recently? I haven't seen too many links from you about it recently, but surely as someone frequenting the feminist bastion that is /r/KotakuInAction, you will be a paragon of the fight for women's inclusion in gaming.

I, personally, have managed to block a ton of attack videos by skull-wielding men on Youtube recently. That's a personal victory for me right there.

I can't tell if this is bait, or just regular bitterness. I'm kinda surprised gamergate is still a thing though. Reading through that subreddit is going to be fun.

[Putnam]

oh, KiA's hard to describe. They... legitimately think they're in a war with SJWs, I think? I saw mention of "winning" last I saw it. There was also some stuff recently where they complained TumblrInAction was too SJW. That... may say something.

[Willfor]

I can't tell if this is bait, or just regular bitterness. I'm kinda surprised gamergate is still a thing though. Reading through that subreddit is going to be fun.

It's mostly that you'll find these people crawling out of rocks to defending women's rights when and only when it's the people who they hate who are the ones even remotely accused of being the ones to blame. It's so strangely convenient.

[Putnam]

Gamergate is completely stupid all around. It's a dichotomy between two completely unrelated things that somehow people took sides on. The single best example of how stupid politics is that I've ever seen.

I'm still not sure which side is "gamergate".

[Bauglir]

the side that thinks it mattered

[Putnam]

that didn't answer anything 

I seriously stayed away as quickly as I could because I immediately saw that it was two whole groups of people talking right past each other about unrelated shit that had names associated with them, tribalism at its most stupid. I don't remember what it was about except for the "ethics in games journalism" meme.

[Baffler]

It was something about a woman sleeping with a journalist to get her indie game a good review, I think. You wouldn't know that by looking at that subreddit though. I feel like I'm missing something here.

[Putnam]

Wait, I think that "the side that thinks it mattered" suggests that it's the people still railing on about it, which I think is the side whose views are mostly defined by, like, the idea that changing your behavior even in the slightest to appease anyone else for any reason is a violation of basic inviolable human rights or something along those lines (Rand?).

On the other hand, my only exposure to those people are the kind of people who will post or complain outside of their safe space¹, who tend to be very weird and vocal.

¹oh god now i definitely remember meeting one, they talk about that kind of thing all the time, it's hilarious how easily they get triggered when they go outside their safe spaces when they spend all their time telling people to go back to their safe spaces if they're triggered

[Cheeetar]

I can't tell if this is bait, or just regular bitterness. I'm kinda surprised gamergate is still a thing though. Reading through that subreddit is going to be fun.

It's mostly that you'll find these people crawling out of rocks to defending women's rights when and only when it's the people who they hate who are the ones even remotely accused of being the ones to blame. It's so strangely convenient.

It also allows them to express their Not Racist Honestly hatred of immigrants, so it's kind of a two birds with one stone thing.

[Willfor]

It was something about a woman sleeping with a journalist to get her indie game a good review, I think. You wouldn't know that by looking at that subreddit though. I feel like I'm missing something here.

Yes. That's how it started. The /entirely false/ allegation to begin with that was quickly shoved under the rug, but is still the primary image that comes to mind when the issue comes up to people who didn't follow it. The woman who continues to be harassed to this day as it happens. Strange, that.

[Bauglir]

that didn't answer anything 

then you understand as well as i do

seriously, i don't really understand what the hell happened, i just know what lots of people of various positions say happened but don't understand why there was a controversy, why anybody cared, why i should care, or just generally why i shouldn't accept that the important thing is that i've found a way to feel smugly superior to both sides, however vaguely defined those happen to be

i have not had a single conversation about it that didn't feel like talking to a conspiracy theorist - the implicit assumption that i know all the facts, the belief that i must have a side and apathy is a sign of malice, the all-consuming importance placed on buzzwords, the need to bundle up the few things that seem worth caring about with a bunch of overarching ideals that don't seem relevant

i'm not trying to be helpful, i'm just joining your lament, i think

EDIT: if you look back at my post history, i'm pretty sure i had picked a tribe and joined in, but at some point i realized that nobody was talking about the stuff that seemed worth talking about and instead wanted a culture war, and fuck that noise

[Baffler]

Well that all sounds absolutely poisonous.

[Putnam]

Politics is poison. If you're a republican, you have to support gun rights and oppose abortion, even though the two are unrelated. Similarly, if you're democrat, you have to fight global warming and GMO crops, though the latter actually helps solve the former. It's all very dumb.