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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7050 on: October 14, 2016, 10:37:38 am »

The only proper way to do things is to alternate. Then you hit all the buttons instead of just one set.

Also I'm hearing that trump may be accusing a mexican billionaire (something slim?) for some of the assault allegations? Anyone seen something more concrete?
Nice pun, since I'm guessing that would be Carlos "Slim" Helu, a Mexican billionaire who made his fortune in part from the concrete and construction industries.  :P

WSJ is breaking the original story, but since they're behind a paywall, have the CNBC write-up.

Makes sense to play the "foreign enemies are working against me to meddle in our election" card, especially since the Dems have been going that route with Trump/Putin.

Not surprising that he is accusing a Mexican, even a wealthy 1%er like Trump is.

Also, http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/how-to-get-a-job-in-clinton-world-john-podesta-229759 No surprise that she is the most insider of insiders, but *grumble, grumble*, wish the Democrat field was bigger and they didn't get scared off by the Clinton juggernaut.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7051 on: October 14, 2016, 10:42:33 am »

You're lucky you're not a woman, or I'd jrab the heck out of your... well, here, let this Trump supporter clarify what I mean, and demonstrate that no, there is not actually a floor.
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Some women enjoy being grabbed down there. If you respect the women who don't like being touched, it's only fair that you respect the women who do enjoy being touched as well.

It isn't about whether or not women like their privates petted. Every goddamn mammal on the planet enjoys it.

The issue is whether or not it's ok to do it without consent. Women aren't prudes for saying "please don't grab my crotch without consent." Which if that woman had a totally Trump supporting shirt, that's what it would say, because that's what he does.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #7052 on: October 14, 2016, 10:55:47 am »

The issue is whether or not it's ok to do it without consent.

Its kind of shocking that this needs to be explained.
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« Reply #7053 on: October 14, 2016, 10:58:59 am »

The issue is whether or not it's ok to do it without consent.

its kind of shocking that this needs to be explained

Folly is the only one that needs to have it explained to :P

Also, surprise surprise /s , Trump's kids share his attitudes towards women: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/oct/14/trump-women-sexual-misconduct-election-live?page=with:block-5800ff50e4b047a4eaafc7e2#block-5800ff50e4b047a4eaafc7e2

“If you can’t handle some of the basic stuff that’s become a problem in the workforce today, then you don’t belong in the workforce,” Trump Jr. said. “Like, you should go maybe teach kindergarten. I think it’s a respectable position.”

Sounds like something you might hear in the 50's or earlier.
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« Reply #7054 on: October 14, 2016, 11:01:23 am »

I really thought we formed a consensus about the whole sexual harassment thing like 15 years ago.
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« Reply #7055 on: October 14, 2016, 11:13:07 am »

I really thought we formed a consensus about the whole sexual harassment thing like 15 years ago.

The only consensus we formed was that activists will continue to their last breath exaggerating every situation they encounter in any way they can think of to justify their continued aggression. These people don't care about women's rights, they are just looking for any excuse to inflate their own egos without any regard for reality or the truth.
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« Reply #7056 on: October 14, 2016, 11:18:03 am »

I really thought we formed a consensus about the whole sexual harassment thing like 15 years ago.

The only consensus we formed was that activists will continue to their last breath exaggerating every situation they encounter in any way they can think of to justify their continued aggression. These people don't care about women's rights, they are just looking for any excuse to inflate their own egos without any regard for reality or the truth.

Nice boogeyman you've cooked up there, but that has fuck all to do with the real world. In the real world, there are guys like Trump who continue to act like this is 1950. That's real, right in front of you, not some fucking spook story you trot out when you want to shit all over a woman's right to be left the fuck alone unless she chooses otherwise.

That's some amazing logic you've concocted where a woman demanding the right to not be touched or have sexual comments made to her is THEM being aggressive. Maybe set aside the Gloria Steinem hate wank, because you're doing a disservice to every woman who has been sexual harassed, groped or treated like a piece of meat.
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« Reply #7057 on: October 14, 2016, 11:26:36 am »

I think the most amazing thing about this latest exchange is that some of it sounds like it could come right out of the mouth of trump. Dunno how I feel about that; normalization of that sort of dialectic is not something I find a cheering thought.
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« Reply #7058 on: October 14, 2016, 11:35:19 am »

Yeah, sounded like he really meant 'them dirty liberals' by 'activists'.
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« Reply #7059 on: October 14, 2016, 11:42:29 am »

It doesn't get much lazier than hand-waving a problem which has remained a persistently endemic experience for millions upon millions of people for generations as all exaggeration.
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« Reply #7060 on: October 14, 2016, 11:44:00 am »

I really thought we formed a consensus about the whole sexual harassment thing like 15 years ago.

The only consensus we formed was that activists will continue to their last breath exaggerating every situation they encounter in any way they can think of to justify their continued aggression. These people don't care about women's rights, they are just looking for any excuse to inflate their own egos without any regard for reality or the truth.

That completely ignores all of the actual women who get harassed on a daily basis. Seeing as I know quite a few who have suffered from being sexually harassed at work, including groping, this isn't just some made up issue exaggerated by some fringe activists. It's real and quite serious. And not at all ok.
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« Reply #7061 on: October 14, 2016, 11:49:27 am »

I really thought we formed a consensus about the whole sexual harassment thing like 15 years ago.

The only consensus we formed was that activists will continue to their last breath exaggerating every situation they encounter in any way they can think of to justify their continued aggression. These people don't care about women's rights, they are just looking for any excuse to inflate their own egos without any regard for reality or the truth.

That completely ignores all of the actual women who get harassed on a daily basis. Seeing as I know quite a few who have suffered from being sexually harassed at work, including groping, this isn't just some made up issue exaggerated by some fringe activists. It's real and quite serious. And not at all ok.

I can only guess that someone who still clings to this view doesn't actually have any women in their own lives that they're close enough to to hear their stories, and is very lucky not to encounter plainly observable cases right in front of them in their own families, workplaces, etc.  It's either that, or their bar for what constitutes seriously inappropriate behavior is set waaaaay too high.
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« Reply #7062 on: October 14, 2016, 11:51:40 am »

honestly, it's so endemic with women that either you literally don't know a single woman, or (much more likely) none of the women in your life trust you enough to tell you about it. because you go "psh it's all made up, it's just a little groping, it's no big deal" :v
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« Reply #7063 on: October 14, 2016, 11:55:54 am »

Most of the time when someone is described as politically correct they are simply correct.
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« Reply #7064 on: October 14, 2016, 11:59:16 am »

honestly, it's so endemic with women that either you literally don't know a single woman, or (much more likely) none of the women in your life trust you enough to tell you about it. because you go "psh it's all made up, it's just a little groping, it's no big deal" :v

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant to say.  Heck, I've seen men try to pull dismissive stuff like that with outspoken women, and get publicly called out for "And this is why women don't fucking talk to you about anything important to them, and you remain ignorant."

Bay12 is definitely left-leaning, but I think the only thing we truly echo chamber on is LGBTQ and feminist topics.  You'll get punted right out for being on the wrong side of that one.

I like how the focus on Trump's sex scandals began right after I posted this, and the thread has been nothing but demonstrations of this comment ever since :P
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