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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[Xanmyral]

Spoiler: Massive but Not Confusingly Laid Out Response (click to show/hide)

Rider trainees can't promote to Nomads, instead they can promote to Wyvern Riders and choose any of the three rides.

I'm not so sure I see the point of this. Don't fix what isn't broke and all that.

Priest trainees can't promote to Monks.

Now this I'm against, because it strikes me as silly and I fail to see why it can't be possible. Priest Trainees are initiates of faith, why can't they continue on in a faith based class? Not only that but it leaves them with two, which is only shared by performer trainees, for little reason.

Something for the Pegasus Rider?

Pegasus Riders seem good to me, they're all about maneuverability after all. Weather pretty much doesn't change how they move with Cloud Walk.

Battle Mage Imbue Arrow side effect for Fire change.

Yeah, its effect is both unclear and bothersome. I also dislike the 'when you miss' effects for this class personally because its on a class that will almost always never miss due to the frequent focus on skill.

Memory Magic.

Very much needed, or something stronger to hit call magic into the dirt with should it not be enough.

Removing Momentum's limit.

Nothing wrong here.

Forest Knight trapping rework.

Forest Knights seem fine to me personally, although them lacking a sprite bites. I suppose taking the spies into account, it is a little odd however now that there is a class that's more focused on traps. Perhaps take a page of the crusaders book and take their semi-canto ability, except for use on forests and the like?

Mage Knight's Physical Training giving a proficiency bonus when promoting from Troubadour.

I think having it bump up chosen weapon training choices by a letter might be good.

Master Spy traps.

Got nothing.

Mountain Warrior Big Swing and Mountain Sprint.

Big Swing was that "trade accuracy for damage" thing, right? Seems alright to me, depending on the trade rate. I've no idea what the second is, so I'm against it until otherwise informed due to sheer principle. :v

Rogue Bag of Holding change or not.

I'm fine with either the double base or the infinite non-weapons thing, although it does put a damper on my 'replace the wagon' plan with my rogue if we just go double base.

Sage proficiencies to S anima and no staves.

I see little problem with this, considering they get an alternative that uses staffs already, and their call magic can use quite a few staff abilities.

Shadow Sword Marked for Death stuff.

I can't remember this very well, something about doing better against a singular unit? A little weak compared to the other promoted skills, but it is in addition to their sneaking and anti magic thing. A more solid idea though would be better.

Sniping change.

Sniping seems good to me personally.

Summon buffs?

Summons aren't that strong, but then again they feel alright to me. Wave after wave of free, expendable units and all that.

Swashbuckler immunity of WTD. Or something.

Ambivalent.

Warrior's Rough and Tumble.

Eh. They similarly seem fine to me.

Wyvern Knight choice between swords and axes.

Good with this.

Warding magic change (half damage?).

I assume halved total damage, doesn't stack on consecutive hits?

Druidic magic change (double damage/half damage?).

On what, to what? I'm with BMM in that I'm curious to what Cecil thought of it.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Spoiler: Massive but Not Confusingly Laid Out Response- With bolded rebuttals from BMM42 (click to show/hide)

Rider trainees can't promote to Nomads, instead they can promote to Wyvern Riders and choose any of the three rides.

I'm not so sure I see the point of this. Don't fix what isn't broke and all that.

What's broke is that Nomads that promote from rider trainees suddenly don't know what end of a lance is which.

Priest trainees can't promote to Monks.

Now this I'm against, because it strikes me as silly and I fail to see why it can't be possible. Priest Trainees are initiates of faith, why can't they continue on in a faith based class? Not only that but it leaves them with two, which is only shared by performer trainees, for little reason.

Same problem as above, but less problematic in my mind. I'm fine with this as it is as well.

Something for the Pegasus Rider?

Pegasus Riders seem good to me, they're all about maneuverability after all. Weather pretty much doesn't change how they move with Cloud Walk.

Battle Mage Imbue Arrow side effect for Fire change.

Yeah, its effect is both unclear and bothersome. I also dislike the 'when you miss' effects for this class personally because its on a class that will almost always never miss due to the frequent focus on skill.

Memory Magic.

Very much needed, or something stronger to hit call magic into the dirt with should it not be enough.

Removing Momentum's limit.

Nothing wrong here.

Forest Knight trapping rework.

Forest Knights seem fine to me personally, although them lacking a sprite bites. I suppose taking the spies into account, it is a little odd however now that there is a class that's more focused on traps. Perhaps take a page of the crusaders book and take their semi-canto ability, except for use on forests and the like?

Mage Knight's Physical Training giving a proficiency bonus when promoting from Troubadour.

I think having it bump up chosen weapon training choices by a letter might be good.

Master Spy traps.

Got nothing.

Mountain Warrior Big Swing and Mountain Sprint.

Big Swing was that "trade accuracy for damage" thing, right? Seems alright to me, depending on the trade rate. I've no idea what the second is, so I'm against it until otherwise informed due to sheer principle. :v

Mountain Sprint would reduce MOV cost while moving through mountains so they'd be better at it than Berserkers.

Rogue Bag of Holding change or not.

I'm fine with either the double base or the infinite non-weapons thing, although it does put a damper on my 'replace the wagon' plan with my rogue if we just go double base.

Sage proficiencies to S anima and no staves.

I see little problem with this, considering they get an alternative that uses staffs already, and their call magic can use quite a few staff abilities.

Shadow Sword Marked for Death stuff.

I can't remember this very well, something about doing better against a singular unit? A little weak compared to the other promoted skills, but it is in addition to their sneaking and anti magic thing. A more solid idea though would be better.

Marked for Death: The Shadow Sword chooses an enemy unit: The Shadow Sword and all Allies get 15 hit, 3 DAM, and 5 Crit against the target or the Shadow Sword is reduced to 0 hp. Or something along those lines.

Sniping change.

Sniping seems good to me personally.

Summon buffs?

Summons aren't that strong, but then again they feel alright to me. Wave after wave of free, expendable units and all that.

Swashbuckler immunity of WTD. Or something.

Ambivalent.

Warrior's Rough and Tumble.

Eh. They similarly seem fine to me.

Wyvern Knight choice between swords and axes.

Good with this.

Warding magic change (half damage?).

I assume halved total damage, doesn't stack on consecutive hits?

Druidic magic change (double damage/half damage?).

On what, to what? I'm with BMM in that I'm curious to what Cecil thought of it.

[Xanmyral]

Spoiler: Mess O' Quotes (click to show/hide)

Rider trainees can't promote to Nomads, instead they can promote to Wyvern Riders and choose any of the three rides.

I'm not so sure I see the point of this. Don't fix what isn't broke and all that.

What's broke is that Nomads that promote from rider trainees suddenly don't know what end of a lance is which.

Okay, this makes more sense as to its purpose now. I'm just curious as to what the ramifications would wind up of going from a rider trainee to a wyvern rider is all, as it would make for a different stat base. Otherwise, I've little issue with this beyond a hesitation to change things mechanically for fluff reasons. Should the stat basis change be minor, then I've no issue at all.

Priest trainees can't promote to Monks.

Now this I'm against, because it strikes me as silly and I fail to see why it can't be possible. Priest Trainees are initiates of faith, why can't they continue on in a faith based class? Not only that but it leaves them with two, which is only shared by performer trainees, for little reason.

Same problem as above, but less problematic in my mind. I'm fine with this as it is as well.

It seems to me more of a slight change in style instead of a shift between two different weapon types. Both magic types are (supposedly) holy, with one being through a staff and another being through a tome. I do still see the issue of forgetting to use a staff, but abstractions and all that.

Mountain Warrior Big Swing and Mountain Sprint.

Big Swing was that "trade accuracy for damage" thing, right? Seems alright to me, depending on the trade rate. I've no idea what the second is, so I'm against it until otherwise informed due to sheer principle. :v

Mountain Sprint would reduce MOV cost while moving through mountains so they'd be better at it than Berserkers.

I've no problem with and in fact like this idea. I just like knowing what the heck is being talked about when its brought forth. A name means nothing with no additional information.

Shadow Sword Marked for Death stuff.

I can't remember this very well, something about doing better against a singular unit? A little weak compared to the other promoted skills, but it is in addition to their sneaking and anti magic thing. A more solid idea though would be better.

Marked for Death: The Shadow Sword chooses an enemy unit: The Shadow Sword and all Allies get 15 hit, 3 DAM, and 5 Crit against the target or the Shadow Sword is reduced to 0 hp. Or something along those lines.

Is this a single enemy type (i.e., against all Hexmasters), or specific (only against Hexmaster A)? How often can one use it? Also I assume that you mean it ends if the Shadow Sword is reduced to 0 HP or the target(s all) dies?

[Rolepgeek]

For the record, I'm against replacing Nomad with Wyvern Rider.

It seems about as, if not more, ridiculous to me to suggest 'oh now I know how to ride dragons' as it does to say 'oh now I don't use lances anymore'.

Seriously. They just lose their lance, or they don't like using it, or they were never all that good in the first place and realize it would be pointless now. Or allow Rider Trainees to use bows from Trainee level if they're going to go Nomad. But replacing your horse with a wyvern doesn't really make much sense either.

[Xanmyral]

I believe the suggestion for the replacement is coupled with the idea that the rider trainee would have to choose their mount from inception, thus they always had a pegasus, wyvern, or horse.

Normally I'd also say that wyvern's aren't dragons, but to be honest FE wyvern's aren't really wyverns either, what with the six limbs. But a setting can call anything what they wish though really, and the difference is largely arbitrarily drawn considering there isn't any real solid basis for fantasy.

[Blade Master Model 42]

The only 'true' wyverns are the ones seen in FE8 with Wyvern Hunters, oddly.

And I don't think it's significantly odder to swap to wyvern from a horse than it is to go from a foot soldier to a horse/wyvern. My main sticking point is the sudden change in weapons.

Xanmy makes a point about mount changing though. We may want to do what we did with mage trainees and just give rider trainees the appropriate mount.

And as for Marked for Death: It would be against one enemy, and ending when either the designated target or the Shadow Sword dies.

[Rolepgeek]

It just seems kinda silly that the trainee that's meant to be the horseman(and going from horse to pegasus, while still strange, is not nearly so strange as horse to wyvern) only has one promotion that actually rides, y'know. A horse.

[Xanmyral]

That assumes the change is ratified, and from the sounds of it, its more of a general 'you ride something' trainee class where you choose which mount you wish (which also locks in which first class you take).

BMM: Alright, so its against one enemy. How many times can it be used? I can't help but see it always being eaten by the boss if its a single use thing.

[Solymr]

The class is name "Rider" trainee, not Horseman and yeah the intention was that they could choose any of the three rides and keep it without changing (like Valkyries) :V

The priest to monk is more for weapon consistency than anything really.

We had two ideas for Marked for Death: one was the shadow sword gets effective damage vs the marked target and the other was the designation for the team. I didn't think of more than one use because I didn't want them to be able to mark half the map :V
If we give them something like a turn cooldown, they should lose sneak attack tho.

The only thing I see unnecessary now is the sniping change cause I can't read.

Finally after the stat changes we'll vote on the rider trainee thing.

[Xanmyral]

I was figuring more of a 'can only have one target marked at a time, takes an action to mark' kind of thing personally. So you have to expend an action to mark/curse/whatever an enemy but you can only do so to one person, you can't take it back, and you can only do it again once either you've hit zero health or the enemy is dead. That way it becomes a bit more useful.

I'll still be sad to see sneaking go though, although I understand the dislike for terrain dependency.

[CecilHoshino]

Cecil, can we get a bit of explanation what exactly Trumping does with druidic magic?

Weapon Triangle Bonus/Disadvantage.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Hm. Doesn't seem like something specializing in, based on that. It loses to everything but the target, after all.

[CecilHoshino]

Actually, it was that, or "Effective Against the one it beats, WTD against the ones it doesn't." I wasn't sure, though if it was too powerful an effect, so I may have jumped the gun and overnerfed the entire weapon set (apart from the S Ranked Dark Physique and Old Black Magic)

[Solymr]

What a coincidence, that's what I originally had in mind for clarifying :v
Now the main idea is double damage against the one it trumps and WTD or possibly half damage vs everything else.

[Haspen]

Actually, it was that, or "Effective Against the one it beats, WTD against the ones it doesn't."

That's the definition I began to use after someone made a character for that category. Yay I think like our noble creator, woo!