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Spinning Fly

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Trading Masterworks
« on: February 11, 2016, 10:51:52 am »

I sold and offered a bunch of masterwork porcelain statues to the dwarven caravan. When it left the map, I got a whole bunch of messages saying "A masterwork of XXX was lost!", and the potters are both "feeling shocked/hopeless after suffering the travesty of art defacement". If it matters, I'm playing on vanilla 42.06, continuing on an old save started in .05.

My understanding was that trading masterwork items with the caravans doesn't trigger this message. I checked the wiki and it confirms that. Plus I'm quite sure I traded some similar masterwork statues to the previous year's caravan (when I was still running 42.05) and didn't have any such issue.

Is this a bug?
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 11:09:20 am »

Looks like one.
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2016, 11:17:21 am »

I've seen others report the same thing in the new version, so definitely a new bug.  I don't see it in the bug tracker yet though.
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 11:33:40 am »

Hmm, let me see if I can verify on a fresh world.
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2016, 08:43:15 pm »

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Did this update change something with regards to how masterpiece trading is handled? I got messages saying that masterpieces were lost now twice, once when the human caravan left, and then when the dwarven caravan left. I sold them some masterpiece roasts.
The export wealth calculation fix involved retaining the items longer, and maybe it triggered the masterpiece loss.  I'll try to fix it all without screwing something else up for next time.
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2016, 04:14:39 am »

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Did this update change something with regards to how masterpiece trading is handled? I got messages saying that masterpieces were lost now twice, once when the human caravan left, and then when the dwarven caravan left. I sold them some masterpiece roasts.
The export wealth calculation fix involved retaining the items longer, and maybe it triggered the masterpiece loss.  I'll try to fix it all without screwing something else up for next time.

Ah, Dwarf Fortress. Where a fix can screw everything else over because you've tied everything together under the hood.

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2016, 05:49:23 am »

Ah, Dwarf Fortress. Where a fix can screw everything else over because you've tied everything together under the hood.

And we wouldn't have it any other way.
Funnily enough its not just the games designed this way, its often the fortresses as well.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2016, 07:02:55 am »

Ah, Dwarf Fortress. Where a fix can screw everything else over because you've tied everything together under the hood.

And we wouldn't have it any other way.
Funnily enough its not just the games designed this way, its often the fortresses as well.

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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2016, 04:52:02 pm »

I've been having this a lot in my most recent playthrough,
as my chief export is masterful roasts. The funny thing is, I was recently browsing my dwarves' crafts and engravings.  Somebody had made an image of my cook's roasts being destroyed via melting by dragonfire! There are only 2 dragons in my world, and I haven't encounteres either of them, nor have I lost any masterworks except to this bug.  This leads me to believe dwarves are becoming self-aware by either a) helping track down bugs or b) explaining processes in computer code with the only language they have.
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2016, 06:09:54 pm »

I've been having this a lot in my most recent playthrough,
as my chief export is masterful roasts. The funny thing is, I was recently browsing my dwarves' crafts and engravings.  Somebody had made an image of my cook's roasts being destroyed via melting by dragonfire! There are only 2 dragons in my world, and I haven't encounteres either of them, nor have I lost any masterworks except to this bug.  This leads me to believe dwarves are becoming self-aware by either a) helping track down bugs or b) explaining processes in computer code with the only language they have.
Maybe they really, really hated the roast and shoved it in a crevice somewhere. The dragonfire cover-up was to spare the chef's feelings.
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2016, 08:07:34 pm »

Maybe the trade caravan that bought the masterwork roast ran into one of the two dragons on its way to the mountain home.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2016, 12:28:18 am »

Maybe the trade caravan that bought the masterwork roast ran into one of the two dragons on its way to the mountain home.

I was wondering about that.  I get the "materwork has been lost"  message as soon as the first wagon leaves the map, though.  I'm not sure exactly how/when the game generates events that happen outside your embark area.  The exported/offerings numbers in the status and civ screens all seem correct, i.e. the masterworks that get lost are being counted as being exported/offered, but I'm not sure if those numbers get tallied before the goods actually make it to their destination.  If it isn't a bug, I guess that dragon has been sitting a few tiles offscreen for seven years, waiting for the inevitable caravan to pass by so he can melt some more masterworks.  I'll check his legends page after I retire this fort and see what it says there.
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Re: Trading Masterworks
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 12:55:03 am »

Or maybe "melted by dragonfire" is the first element in the set of possible reasons, and since the bad feeling from trading away masterworks is known to be a bug in .06, the reason may not be getting properly set, so it defaults to the first possible reason.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2016, 01:26:22 am »

I just checked the dragon's page in legends mode, and sure enough, after the usual 200 years of striking down various elves, humans and dwarves, she's got a couple of pages of melting masterworks.  All of said melting apparently took place in the fort I was playing at the time.  I definitely would have noticed if that was actually happening. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2016, 01:59:11 am »

Ninja dragons! Protect the masterwork roasts!
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