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« Reply #570 on: March 22, 2017, 07:30:25 pm »

I hate solar roadways.

The people behind them should be drawn and quartered. They've pulled us back five years in solar acceptance with their god damned scam.
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« Reply #571 on: March 22, 2017, 07:44:13 pm »

Nobody with any decent engineering thought the damn things would work. Thunderf00t called it out when the campaign had just started and everyone was warned of how ludicrous the whole thing was. Whats specially jarring is that there's still people insane enough to believe the whole thing is real after that whole test debacle, with a road surface and panels that were so poorly constructed that after less than a week of testing, several of the panels weren't even working due to moisture seeping through and panels overheating. Its honestly a surprise the damn thing didn't go up in flames.
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« Reply #572 on: March 22, 2017, 08:42:41 pm »

I dug the idea and hoped throwing money at it could fix the problems, but always wondered why not just install the panel systems over roadways/alongside them as sound walls/etc and get almost all the same benefits without the nasty wear demands.
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« Reply #573 on: March 23, 2017, 06:35:57 am »

Meanwhile Google is looking at several 100 million dollars less profit. After 250 major UK companies already decided to do so, US multinationals followed their example and withdrew all their advertisements on Google, until Google finds a way to prevent terrorist groups from making money from their ads.

Inb4 Google mandates full intelligence service screening for anyone wanting to create a website or blog that uses ads.
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« Reply #574 on: March 23, 2017, 08:36:05 am »

Meanwhile Google is looking at several 100 million dollars less profit. After 250 major UK companies already decided to do so, US multinationals followed their example and withdrew all their advertisements on Google, until Google finds a way to prevent terrorist groups from making money from their ads.

Inb4 Google mandates full intelligence service screening for anyone wanting to create a website or blog that uses ads.

What? ISIS was running google ads?
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« Reply #575 on: March 23, 2017, 08:40:47 am »

Meanwhile Google is looking at several 100 million dollars less profit. After 250 major UK companies already decided to do so, US multinationals followed their example and withdrew all their advertisements on Google, until Google finds a way to prevent terrorist groups from making money from their ads.

Inb4 Google mandates full intelligence service screening for anyone wanting to create a website or blog that uses ads.

What? ISIS was running google ads?

No, jihadists embedded google's ad-serving systems into websites and the like. But how exactly is Google supposed to go and look at every single website that has adserving and work out if they're baddies or not? The costs involved would be staggering. It's cheaper for Google not to take your money for ads than have to pay people to go and check out every site. Even on a site they own, Youtube, checking out what ads are playing on every video and whether those videos are "baddie" videos would be prohibitively expensive.

Automated "ISIS" filters aren't going to work: it's currently non-existent technology.

Paying people to watch every video before it gets ads would cost more than the ad revenue. If you pay people $10 an hour to watch videos then you have to recoup $10 in advertising revenue per hour of content on Youtube, which is of course impossible.

So the only option is crowdsourcing the ratings, and if you're waiting for enough user feedback to come on every video before you even serve the first advert, then of course that's going to cost millions and millions of dollars in lost revenue.
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« Reply #576 on: March 23, 2017, 10:38:10 am »

Well, yeah, Google doesn't have much options. Either they do nothing and accept that more and more companies will stop advertising via Google, or go full police state on anyone wanting to use ads, or they stop using ads altogether, which would be a bummer for bloggers and indie devs alike. Bye bye source of income.
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« Reply #577 on: March 23, 2017, 11:11:02 am »

They'll probably try to implement some kind of content recognition or correlation system.  You can't check every website, but you can probably do pretty well at generating a suspicion level based on content on the site.  After all, they already do some level of content recognition for targeting ads.  Keywords and links to other known problem sites probably even go a long way toward generating such a number.  If a site's suspicion level is high enough, it could be reviewed manually.  If it's high enough you could even block the ads automatically, pending a formal request to review the site.

Videos are a harder problem, but I'm guessing that you can do something similar.  Recognizing content in the video itself would probably not be worth the trouble of trying to implement, but you can probably still do correlation based on the channel it's part of, if any.  If a channel is known to be a trouble maker, or if the video title contains certain words, or if the video has embedded links to known problem videos or sites, you can flag it as suspicious.  Videos with more hits can be reviewed manually more frequently, maybe.

Actually, doesn't YouTube already do some kind of audio analysis to try to detect if you upload a video containing copyrighted music?  It might not be that hard to have it also recognize suspicious phrases or words, although the false positives and negatives would probably be a problem.

The real question still comes down to economics I guess.  Is it worth it to Google to try to implement something like that?  Maybe.
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« Reply #578 on: March 23, 2017, 01:41:20 pm »

Google could create a neural net to watch all its videos and read all of its pages with ads, looking for radicalized content.

This will definitely not produce an insane extremist AI.
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« Reply #579 on: March 23, 2017, 01:48:02 pm »

You say that like they haven't done so already.
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« Reply #581 on: March 23, 2017, 04:36:44 pm »

Google could create a neural net to watch all its videos and read all of its pages with ads, looking for radicalized content.

This will definitely not produce an insane extremist AI.
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« Reply #582 on: March 23, 2017, 07:18:43 pm »

Well, yeah, Google doesn't have much options. Either they do nothing and accept that more and more companies will stop advertising via Google, or go full police state on anyone wanting to use ads, or they stop using ads altogether, which would be a bummer for bloggers and indie devs alike. Bye bye source of income.

Um, I don't get it.  What do Google's competitors do which make them immune from the same problem?  Or are these multinationals pulling their internet advertising completely?
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« Reply #583 on: March 23, 2017, 07:24:18 pm »

The problem looks like it's more specifically youtube-related according to news I just saw. It's just a problem of being the major carrier of community created video content.

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« Reply #584 on: March 23, 2017, 07:42:29 pm »

What I saw was:

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An ad appearing alongside a YouTube video earns the poster around £6 for every 1,000 clicks it generates, meaning brands have unwittingly contributed funds to extremists.

Are you saying this is specific to google?  Otherwise it seems the multinationals are playing some other game...
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