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[evictedSaint]

Hey guys, just a friendly reminder here.  I don't know if your read the big red letters in the last update, but I'm gonna go ahead and repost them here.

NEW RULES.  READ.

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As inspired by the "Behavior Rule" attached to Sensei's new Arms Race thread, I've decided to adapt them to Wand Race.  Most of these are blatantly copied from his thread, and I expect them to be followed.  After running this game for a few weeks now and following the last Arms Race, I'm aware that they're prone to attracting bad attitudes.  Keeping the game smooth, on schedule, and argument free is probably a greater concern of mine than whatever you are arguing about: I expect you to be mature and adopt the same attitude.

1. Don't be salty! If at any time you find yourself having an urge to mouth off at another player, step away from the keyboard, go outside, and take a breath. Seriously. Players who repeatedly get angry or passive aggressive will be asked to leave. If you have an issue with the way the game is being run, DO NOT expect a tantrum to get you what you want.

2. Keep in mind that I am not a historian, so there will sometimes be mistakes and inaccuracies. Even in the best of circumstances, minor inconsistencies are a common occurrence. If some piece of equipment is imbalanced/unrealistic, I might consider changing it if you bring it up once -AND ONLY ONCE- and politely state your argument. However, I will err on the side of consistency with my own game, I do not like to go back and change things. Sometimes it is more important to simply keep the game running smoothly than other concerns.

3. Do not accuse me of being biased. Do not accuse me of being biased. I put a lot of effort into being objective and fair and being accused otherwise is pretty fucking irritating.  On multiple occasions this has nearly derailed the game and made me want to abandon it all together. I have absolutely no more patience for this, and if you do it YOU WILL BE BANNED.

4. Do not spy on the other team's private thread. Trust me, playing fair is more fun for everyone!  If you suffer from a lack of self-control and cannot stop yourself from spying, keep it to yourself.  Do not use it to metagame.  And do not post what you saw in the central thread.  This has happened multiple times now, and if you do it you will be banned with no warning.

In case you still haven't read them, I want you guys to know that if you find yourselves in an argument going nowhere or becoming angry at another player on your team, take a moment and step away from the computer.  If you can't even do that, then simply continue the discussion via PM's.  Failing to be civil in the thread is a bannable offense.

[Chiefwaffles]

What?
Rifled barrels don't solve lucky strike. I'll admit they aren't totally useless and extending the range wouldn't protect our artillery, but lucky strike will still harass us at land and sea.

One of our main problems is the fact that we can't advance because their ranged weapons destroy our forces before they can do any damage. Rifles barrels may help alleviate part of the problem by decreasing the ballistae they have to shoot us, but it doesn't fix this problem.

And we have 2 revisions. Why waste a design on a revision? Range and accuracy are both things that can be easily done via revision.
Ebbor, we also aren't at a range disadvantage. We're equally matched in terms of range.

[10ebbor10]

Lucky strike is negated if the enemy has nothing to shoot with because it got destroyed before they got into range.

And yeah, I don't want to waste designs on a revision, but it's much better than bringing an axe to an artillery fight. There's nothing else decent that stood a chance of winning.

Sorry, my mistake. Range is a big issue though, it's what the enemy commanders focus upon.

[andrea]

equally matched, when they have magically guided weapons, is a range disadvantage.
I still believe, however, that we should implement the mk2 cannon and only then revise it to work.

edit: that is to say, it has a chance to win. Has a vote now.

[10ebbor10]

If you convince others, I'll switch.

[VoidSlayer]

I want the crystal defenses, either my design or 10ebbor10's, and then 10ebbor10's cannon.  I will vote for whichever of those is winning.

[Chiefwaffles]

Thoughts on the Anchored Crystal Plates, Void?

[VoidSlayer]

Thoughts on the Anchored Crystal Plates, Void?

I dont know, seems more complicated to build multiple large interconnected plates then a single structure to start with as we do not have experience doing things on these scales, but I would rather those then messing with axes and lances.

[Chiefwaffles]

Well, the main idea is that crystal plates are super simple to make: All we do is just make a new shape of crystal - something we've done many times before.
Because that's so easy, ideally the anchored aspect could be implemented into the design, and the combined difficulty of the design would still be easier than anything else countering lucky fire.

In my eyes:
Anchored Crystal Plates > Crystal Canopy > Crystal Plates >>> Cannon Rifling

[Azzuro]

You know what? I'm changing my vote, because I'm fickle like that. Maybe we can do range and accuracy in the revision after all.

0 - Disrupting Mist:
1 - Crystal Canopy: VoidSlayer
0 - Tuneable Antimagic Charm
1 - Lucky Charms: Andres
1 - Anchored Crystal Plates: Chiefwaffles
1 - Anti-antimagic Arrow: Roboson
1 - Anchored Crystal Weapons: Light Forger
2 - Rifled Barrels: 10ebbor10, Stabby
2 - Mk2 Steam cannon: Andrea, Azzuro
0 - Crystal Plates

Changing to Mk2 Steam Cannon. If ebbor changes, then that's 3 votes for it.

[Chiefwaffles]

Oh dear god no.
That's possibly the worst one here.

It doesn't increase range, accuracy, and it doesn't counter lucky strike. Firerate isn't a problem and reliability is a smaller problem than accuracy or range. That solves zero problems.

[andrea]

That is a design meant to be used TOGETHER with a revision to make it longer ranged. fire rate and reliability are also important because this turn the cannon becomes very expensive due to not having the mountains. We need it at its peak.

only one thing I owuld add, to either design or revision, is the ability to aim downward a bit. I remember the commander asking for something like it.

[evictedSaint]

Move things along, guys.  I kinda need a decision to progress the game.

this turn the cannon becomes very expensive due to not having the mountains. We need it at its peak.

Future designs will not have a metal bonus to their design.  Existing metal-based equipment like your plate armor and cannons will not lose their expense bonus in their current state.

[Chiefwaffles]

Then we can just cut out the middle man and use the design for something actually useful.
At this point, I'm willing to vote for anything that actually counters lucky strike. Any of the discussed designs so far are fine by me.

[Roboson]

0 - Disrupting Mist:
1 - Crystal Canopy: VoidSlayer
0 - Tuneable Antimagic Charm
1 - Lucky Charms: Andres
1 - Anchored Crystal Plates: Chiefwaffles
1 - Anti-antimagic Arrow: Roboson
1 - Anchored Crystal Weapons: Light Forger
3 - Rifled Barrels: 10ebbor10, Stabby, Roboson
2 - Mk2 Steam cannon: Andrea, Azzuro
0 - Crystal Plates

I don't like any of these options really. Riflery is important and can be applied to other things later, Mk2 cant.

Edit: We could really make use of the magic disruption arrow to counter their wind and antimagic. But that still doesn't solve lucky strike I guess.