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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase)
« Reply #90 on: January 09, 2020, 12:26:56 am »

Mostly; not sure how you intend for Sunseed Glass to work, Vostok. Sure, it glows; but glowing object does not make nightvision. Maybe if the reaction was glowing in response to detecting heat or something along those lines. As for the steam cannon, it feels too early for payload-carrying cannons.

Besides, ahead of time metallurgy is our thing. And this advances Steampower too!

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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase)
« Reply #91 on: January 09, 2020, 01:50:10 am »

Mostly; not sure how you intend for Sunseed Glass to work, Vostok. Sure, it glows; but glowing object does not make nightvision. Maybe if the reaction was glowing in response to detecting heat or something along those lines. As for the steam cannon, it feels too early for payload-carrying cannons.
I'm just going to note that light reflects off objects and enters our eyes. Something glowing is not a valid substitute. That and Sunseeds govern heat. Maybe if it amplified incoming light? In that manner, so long as there was light, you could see.

Yeah...I forgot to add the part that explained how i actually expected it to work. Tric is right in that it works by light amplification (nice catch, by the way)--the "glowing" effect was intended more as an early application of this before people figured out its use for night vision, because that's basically what you'd get when you have something amplifying light passing through it. I've updated the writeup since.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase)
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2020, 09:59:03 am »

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Revision: Stratification of Lava

First, Dig a hole near the Cauldron. Second, take good quality clay and create a rounded pot. Third, bake the clay with Sunseeds, pouring hot water in it. Fourth, once the water has evaporated and the clay pot is done, create a channel to let lava pour into the pot. Fifth, cut off the flow with dirt mixed with obsidian shards and sand. Sixth, suspend a Sunseed in the lava's center.

This will cause the Lava around it to stay the same temperature, greatly reducing it's cooling speed as the Sunseed sends it's heat into the oxygen-rich lava. Meanwhile the lava near the edges of the pot will cool faster than the lava near the Sunseed. Hold it for 2 hours, then remove the Sunseed and wait for it to cool overnight.

After which, shatter the top of the obsidian. This will cause the obsidian to crack, with the layers that cooled first having a variation to the layers that cooled later. Use rocks to scrape off the stray obsidian, and the pot should now be somewhat smooth along the stratification. And so a pot has been created that can hold lava.

This is fairly important, since that pot is then filled with some Sunseeds, and the lava flow started again. Once filled, the lavaflow is stopped up again, and the Pot is left there for 3 days and nights.

Come that dawn, the pot is dug up and shattered into pieces along the edges. The result is high quality materials like colored obsidian, (red)iron, aluminum, and titanium, along with some other materials.

Of these, iron is of particular use to us, as we don't quite know quite what to do with the rest as of right now. Though the colored obsidian is useful for making arrows and crafts out of. And the sunseeds can also be extracted from the lowest material to be used again and again in this manner once enough material has been removed, though they become somewhat useless for any other application due to the covering of material on them.

Modern Reaction: Sunseeds can maintain high temperature of lava when in contact with the liquid body. Different numbers of Sunseeds can affect the cool rate. Possible to maintain a high temperature indefinitely if placed correctly with sufficient number, otherwise, will eventually cool down.




Mostly a process with which to cause lava to stratify through time which it does not normally have. Oxygen is prevalent in all the materials though, so you get the oxidized aluminium out of it, as well as red iron. As well as the various colored obsidian which forms from silicate, which is usually the most prevalent of the materials you get Of these, only the obsidian and iron is likely to have a use in the current age, though titanium and aluminium farming is a modern example of this technique. Along with the other materials in it.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase)
« Reply #93 on: January 09, 2020, 06:27:51 pm »

Lunguma, the Heavy Hand
A large bronze gauntlet first developed in response to the Ofal invasion, the Lunguma is an artisan's tool of the highest caliber. Using a sunseed aeoliopile driven flywheel as kinetic battery and a clutch brake actuated by the squeeze of a hand, the Lunguma can concentrate immense force into a rail piston projected past the forearm to slam home metal nails, plant wooden posts, carve rock, hammer metal and more. Alternate and more specialized variants for sustained and lower impact use could saw through wood, ram earthworks, or bore holes. 'Armed' with the Lunguma, Etroan combat and civil engineers unleashed a wave of construction and innovation, erecting structures overnight that would have taken days or weeks to assemble with outdated methods.
Although attractive, few ever succeeded in weaponizing the Lunguma for long, and those with the expertise to wield it were better used in their natural engineering roles.

The Ofal would overrun Etroan positions and force retreats only to encounter yet more, and better defended, positions popping up again and again like the heads of a great hydra. Against such endless fortification, the Ofalian ranks crashed until there was no more heart left in the warmongerers and they went home in shame.

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« Last Edit: January 09, 2020, 06:30:55 pm by The Ensorceler »
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase)
« Reply #94 on: January 09, 2020, 06:40:00 pm »

Quote from: Death to Olaf
Sunscorched Earth Tactics: ()
Hero's Warcart: ()
Sunglass: ()
Moonseeds and Obsidian Shatterrocks: ()
Steam Belchers:(2) Stirk, Rockeater
Winecutter:(1) The Ensorceler
Sunseed Glass: (2) Vostok, Doomblade
Flames of the Sun-Blade: ()
Angamolen (Ironworks): (2) Madman, TricMagic
Lunguma, the Heavy Hand: (3) Rockeater, The Ensorceler, Jilladilla
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase)
« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2020, 07:02:19 pm »

Quote from: Death to Olaf
Sunscorched Earth Tactics: ()
Hero's Warcart: ()
Sunglass: ()
Moonseeds and Obsidian Shatterrocks: ()
Steam Belchers:(2) Stirk, Rockeater
Winecutter:(1) The Ensorceler
Sunseed Glass: (2) Vostok, Doomblade
Flames of the Sun-Blade: ()
Angamolen (Ironworks): (2) Madman, TricMagic
Lunguma, the Heavy Hand: (4) Rockeater, The Ensorceler, Jilladilla, Failbird
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase)
« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2020, 11:06:50 pm »

Preliminary Turn 2 - Design Phase

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Lunguma, the Heavy Hand
A large bronze gauntlet first developed in response to the Ofal invasion, the Lunguma is an artisan's tool of the highest caliber. Using a sunseed aeoliopile driven flywheel as kinetic battery and a clutch brake actuated by the squeeze of a hand, the Lunguma can concentrate immense force into a rail piston projected past the forearm to slam home metal nails, plant wooden posts, carve rock, hammer metal and more. Alternate and more specialized variants for sustained and lower impact use could saw through wood, ram earthworks, or bore holes. 'Armed' with the Lunguma, Etroan combat and civil engineers unleashed a wave of construction and innovation, erecting structures overnight that would have taken days or weeks to assemble with outdated methods.
Although attractive, few ever succeeded in weaponizing the Lunguma for long, and those with the expertise to wield it were better used in their natural engineering roles.

The Ofal would overrun Etroan positions and force retreats only to encounter yet more, and better defended, positions popping up again and again like the heads of a great hydra. Against such endless fortification, the Ofalian ranks crashed until there was no more heart left in the warmongerers and they went home in shame.
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Roll: 4 + 5 - 1 = 8 (Average)

The “Lunguma” gauntlet is a noted feat of Etroan engineering. It was created by an engineer who had lost an arm during his time as a soldier, and could thus no longer work to his former capability and skill. The One Armed Craftsman created the blueprints himself, and with the help of a couple assistants for tasks that needed an extra arm, built the first Heavy Hand apparatus and in doing so changed Etroan engineering for good.

While it’s called a gauntlet, the Lunguma is significantly larger than the traditional gauntlet, covering the arm, shoulder blade, and a bit of the chest and back on the side it’s equipped; craftsmen that used it frequently were known to get some serious strength from the exercise lugging around and using the full-arm apparatus so often. The bulk is required for function - there’s a lot of mechanisms that have to fit into the space; the engine (considered to be the first primitive steam engine by historians), the piston, backup sunseeds, water tanks, and more. While complexity of construction and difficulty of accurate operation did mean that not every engineer could or did use it, it was still a frequent sight in construction sites and in military fortifications - being able to ram something with great force, it turns out, is a significant asset.

This ability allowed a counter to one of Ofal’s preferred strategies. Often, their troops would find a weak spot in the Etroan lines, hammer it and push through to flank the enemy. While the Lunguma did not stop them from being able to do this, it did make a different change. One: It helped Etroan soldiers build fortifications quicker. Two: It forced Ofalian soldiers to either break through in minutes or else face a second line of fortifications facing the angle they’re flanking from. And then a third. And a fourth.

Eventually, breaking over the fortifications like waves on a beach, the Ofalians were repelled. As the counterattack began in earnest, some things were noticed about the invaders. They had an uncanny ability to navigate in foreign lands, never getting lost even in the confusing environment of the geyser fields. The second was the surprising discipline of their troops and commanders; there were several individuals reported by scouts as not apparently part of the regular army but seemingly with just as much respect as a commander among it’s troops; however, none were reported slain or captured, having always left before the fighting. The mysteries would be resolved soon, as Etroa started marching into the shrublands where the Ofalian’s port city stood.

From the mountains came a message and call for aid. The Iconans had not been able to aid against the Ofalians because they were locked in battle themselves. What they thought had been a few wilderness villages ripe to bring into the nation, had turned out to merely be the forward outposts of another country - one that had pushed back their armies and was preparing for invasion at the Eastern passes to the mountains.

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The threat of Ofal was nearly dealt with by Etroan fortifications. A new threat loomed over their trade partner and ally. Now was not the time to rest. It is now the revision phase. You have 1 Revision.

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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #97 on: January 09, 2020, 11:58:40 pm »

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Damrod, a famed smith whose Macilmire had been acclaimed the finest work of craftsmanship since the Elder Days, fought when his village was attacked by the Ofalians. The tale of his victory is too long to recount here, but in the end the enemy was defeated, and the smith was crippled. He had lost the use of one of his arms, and spent some weeks staring at his forge, unable to work. When a relief force reached his village, they brought with them an engineering group and one or more of the new steam hammer devices. Intrigued, Damrod worked with one of the former smith apprentices, who was a common soldier at the time, to work up a stationary form of the steam hammer, one that could be used in metalworking...one that could be used with only one hand.

An ancient equivalent of the modern power hammer, this new device made it dozens of times easier to hammer metal. Damrod began working with many, many more apprentices to design different shapes and styles of steam hammer to suit the needs of his rapidly growing ironworks. Pounding iron into wrought iron was revolutionized, allowing well-forged iron arms and armor, which is far more plentiful than the components of bronze and can be stronger if worked to near-pure wrought iron before being forged, to supplant bronze amongst the common soldiery. These early forays into iron metallurgy were not as strong as hammered bronze, but were cheaper, and more plentiful, and could thus be supplied to our allies as well as our own soldiers.

Eventually the Ironworks, a large complex of buildings constructed over an underground magma river, would become home to a wide assortment of these steam hammers, a secret jealously guarded by Damrod and his successors. Devices many times larger than the originals and situated over carefully sited vents to the river below would be used to pound great amounts of iron ore down into wrought iron, while smaller ones could be used by any smith to hasten the work of hammering metal to a rough shape. Damrod himself managed to produce a system of clamps and very small hammers that could be used for detail work, and it is sometimes claimed, erroneously we are sure, that his later crafts were superior to the ones made before he lost his arm.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #98 on: January 10, 2020, 12:07:48 am »

Heavy Hand Crossbow: While the bulk of the Lunguma made it an ineffective melee weapon, the action was perfectly capable of drawing back the strings of a large and powerful crossbow. A purpose made ring was added to a crossbow string, which would would line up with the piston of a Heavy Hand and be pushed down then caught by a trigger mechanism. A heavy bolt could then be aimed and fired while the piston was re-positioned, allowing for a relatively high rate of fire in addition to the incredible power offered by the steam piston. It should be capable of easily piercing enemy armor at impressive ranges, making it a good choice for defending positions fortified by our engineers.

With this new technology, the engineers we sent to assist our ally were capable of using their old tactics more effectively, either as combat engineers shooting targets themselves, as loaders for a string of Iconan crossbowmen, or later on as normal crossbowmen as our production of Lunguma ramped up.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2020, 08:38:10 am »

Steam Great Ballista

The Steam Great Balista used the newfound mechanics of the steam engine to turn a winch, which pulled the bowstring back. An arrow was loaded, and the Ballista fired, before the steam winch pulled the bowstring back again. It can be said to be the first Great Ballista in history. All it took was a tank of water(with a close-able lid to pour water into when empty), Sunseeds, a flywheel in a pipe, and some gears.

They fired bolts with tips of iron, and bolts with a chipped-sharp Sunshard inserted in the end. The first could go through an enemy army with easy, with the bolt being made of heavy woods giving it great power even when if shattered after going through the enemy ranks or spinning from a collision on the ground.

The second was used to set fire to grasslands. For despite looking like an opal, it was as strong as an emerald, even if it could be shattered easily with hard sharpened rocks. This made it a viable weapon for penetration purposes at least, though they were used carefully and rarely since they set grass aflame once shattered and cutting into the water in the grass.

They were placed in encampments, and set up on fields, and could easily be taken apart for transport on carts, with only the empty water tanks being particularly cumbersome.


The Creation of the Black Ceramic, and it's use in Lava Stratification

While rare, there are places where lava can be said to have driped down, forming crags. By opening these crags a bit, and putting a wooden pot filled with Sunseed heated water, the newly dripping lava can be made to solidify under high-temperature and high-energy conditions.

Said being the sunseed's energy lighting the boiling water, and sinking into the lava as it makes contact. This makes an extremely crystalline material that can be taken out once a good amount has been produced and crushed to powdered dust.

This dust is then mixed to form clay, molded, and then placed in the same sunseed-heated bath carefully, and has a lid placed over it.

This effectively bakes the clay into a high-grade ceramic capable of withstanding extremely high temperatures. It is even capable of being used to store lava with no heat issues. Which in turn allows the production of more of the clay which becomes ceramics.

This actually let us fill a pot full of lava, with Sunseeds at the bottom, and leave it for 5 days and nights. At the end of that, the lava has stratified into it's composite elements, including red iron that we can use to make more armor and weapons. And the various colored obsidian produced can be used for arrowheads, cutting knives, and crafts.

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The use of lava drops entering the high energy sunseed-boiled water produced ideal conditions to turn mafic lava into a high grade material for ceramics. The combination of iron, highly purified silica, and oxygen derivatives, created basalt that easily aerated the black clay created, and was removed as it was heated by the boiling water and sunseed's heat energy. This effectively removed all the air in the process, leaving what was called Black Ceramic and/or Obsidian Ceramic.

It was basically a combination of heat temperature synthesis, exotic energy deposition, and rapid heating. Long before those terms came to be known to most.

This Black Ceramic was show to be immune to the heat of lava, though very brittle and not prone to simple cracks. Shattering into many fine pieces would be a better description of what happened if you dropped the finished product. However, it's speckled pattern and geometric coloring made it adored by most.

Etroans used it to hold lava for five days and nights with sunseeds inside. The high oxygen content and higher heat triggered a reaction where the sunseeds kept the lava at it's current temperature. The more there were, the longer that temperature could be maintained. The lava sealed itself on the surface that had contact with air, but the rest of the lava stratified as it very slowly cooled. Until eventually, the oxygen level and/or heat was low enough for the reaction to end and the lava to finish cooling. Materials made this way were oxidized, so they even ended up with aluminium and titanium, though they didn't make use of it do to it's difficulty.

This source of iron was used to make many arms and armors, effectively outpacing the enemy's ability to attack. As battles continued, repairs needed to be done, but the Etroan nation and their allies had a near never-ending supply of iron and obsidian to use. Combined with their fortification abilities, this spelled the end for the invasion.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2020, 01:09:06 pm »

An alternative to the crossbow, which I believe to be too small to efficiently use the expensive and complex Lunguma, and the "Great Ballista", which doesn't use the method we just developed for pushing things. I am *really* not sure why it doesn't use the piston system directly.

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The Lunguma was a little too expensive and hard to use to be widespread in our army, so instead we worked on an alternative means of employing it. The torsion-powered ballista, which stores energy in coils of rope, relies on a string being drawn backwards until it clips into a locking mechanism, and is a very common weapon in sieges and naval warfare. By adding a Lunguma to the bottom of the ballista and using a small peg and catch that sticks up through the bolt/stone/other projectile track in the middle of the main beam of the ballista (the one that points at the target and runs the length of the weapon), we can use a Lunguma to force back the string until it clicks into the trigger mechanism. The peg can then be folded down as the Lunguma is reset, while the bolt or stone (or clay pot of incendiaries or whatever we might have available) is loaded, and the ballista fired.

The use of a large Lunguma and steam power allow for much stronger ballistae to be fired without needing a much stronger set of soldiers to force back the string. More powerful ballistae can do more damage to enemy ships, put bigger holes in enemy formations, or do more severe damage to lightly constructed walls around smaller settlements. They also have longer range, an important advantage when fighting an enemy atop a city's walls, who have an intrinsic range advantage due to their height advantage.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2020, 02:02:23 am »

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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #102 on: January 12, 2020, 07:12:43 am »

Quote from: It is just a reversion, lets vote
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as per usual with me, either of them will do.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #103 on: January 12, 2020, 08:31:07 am »

Quote from: It is just a reversion, lets vote
The Angamolen of Damrod: ()
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The Creation of the Black Ceramic, and it's use in Lava Stratification: (1) TricMagic
Hadron Ondolin: (2) TricMagic, Failbird
I'd typically doubt the ability for a ballista to be made in a revision from anything that wasn't already a ballista, but nobody else seems to so I'll go with it.
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Re: Commander Arms Race: Etroan R&D (Preliminary Turn 2 - Revision Phase)
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2020, 10:56:03 am »

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The Angamolen of Damrod: (1) Madman
Heavy Hand Crossbow: (1) Stirk
The Creation of the Black Ceramic, and it's use in Lava Stratification: (1) TricMagic
Hadron Ondolin: (2) TricMagic, Failbird

Ballistae already exist, we're just applying our own unique twist to them.
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