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[Reelya]

PROXY OR TRADE ONRY

Is that a typo or was it meant to be a Chinese thing?

It's kind of amusing (but very racist) to assume China can't pronounce the "LY" part of the word "Only". What's the most common surname in China?

[Starver]

PROXY OR TRADE ONRY

Is that a typo or was it meant to be a Chinese thing?

It's kind of amusing (but very racist) to assume China can't pronounce the "LY" part of words "Only". What's the most common surname in China?

It's just razy lacism!

[scriver]

Yeah the Chinese can't pronounce R, not L

Of course, English speakers can't pronounce R either, so this particular might be lost on you

[Reelya]

They have both R's and L's. Here's a list of characters from Romance of the Three Kingdoms starting with R
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_of_the_Three_Kingdoms_(R)
It really is lazy. Japanese is the language with no distinction between L and R.

[coalboat]

Anyways, I was curious about the take of the average pedestrian in China with the largely botched Covid19 management in Europe and the US.

Some think the reason why other countries fail to contain the outbreak is that they are too "free". Some disbelieve what is happening in EU and US, thinking it's yet another propaganda.

A few days ago a clip of Spanish policemen reading "a letter from Pikachu" to children staying home was shared on the Internet. Many found this lovely.

[coalboat]

The Chinese R is the same as the Russian Zh, at least in Mandarin.

In some dialects it is pronounced as Z, in others it can be L or even Ny. In one Hubeiese dialect, the diminutive suffix is pronounced exactly as a Rrrrr trill.

[misko27]

Anyway, going into Guangzhou tomorrow. First time being in a major city with a lot of cases since this started. Morbidly eager to see what it's like.

I was reminded of the people who studied the spread of the "Corrupted Blood" plague from WoW as a case study, and how there were what was considered at the time to be unrealistic situations like people "darting in and out" in order to just see all the hub-bub quickly before disappearing soon after, hoping to avoid it. I am also reminded of going to the store to pick up stuff, in part to see how other people were reacting in the store, and noting the high volume of people, at least some of whom were there to do precisely the same as myself.

I suggest caution in indulging in morbidity.

[Jimmy]

EDIT: BTW Jimmy, you cut off the part of your quote that explains that the more stringent standards for PPE from China were "In response to this situation" which was the fact that "In Europe, huge quantities of Chinese coronavirus test kits and medical use masks have been rejected as defective". There's really no need to jump to the conspiracy theory that this move is to stop other people getting PPE, when a perfectly reasonable explanation is right in the article you linked. China has enough industrial capacity to make all the PPE they need, plus enough to export to make money and keep their economy afloat. They want to sell more PPE, but if they export faulty PPE, people will stop buying it. Export demand for a lot of stuff has already dropped. China has no issue with exporting PPE if that's what's going to keep factories open.

My apologies if I come off as having aluminium headgear. I know the official reasons, and they're good ones. However, I also have a measure of mistrust for a system that claims to have zero new cases within the epicenter of the original outbreak. Li Wenliang. Chen Qiushi. Fang Bin. Li Zehua. Other voices that are now gone. They all spoke of an ugly truth, that the emperor has no clothes.

[Max™]

PROXY OR TRADE ONRY

Is that a typo or was it meant to be a Chinese thing?

It's kind of amusing (but very racist) to assume China can't pronounce the "LY" part of the word "Only". What's the most common surname in China?

Sorry, FFXI habit turned meme due to the reaction of jp players to the new influx of na newbies and insisting JP ONRY.

[mko]

@study - also

Patients were instructed to cough 5 times each onto a petri dish

So effectiveness during just breathing/talking was not tested at all?

Neither cotton masks nor surgical masks worn by infected patients actually filter out the virus and prevent its spread. 

Source: https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764367/effectiveness-surgical-cotton-masks-blocking-sars-cov-2-controlled-comparison

There are several strong caveats about that study.
First:  it's very small. Only 4 patients

Second:

petri dish (90 mm × 15 mm) containing 1 mL of viral transport media (sterile phosphate-buffered saline with bovine serum albumin, 0.1%; penicillin, 10 000 U/mL; streptomycin, 10 mg; and amphotericin B, 25 µg) was placed approximately 20 cm from the patients' mouths.

That's hardly representative of 6 foot social distancing for the purpose of measuring exposure. And for that matter this only addresses the viral aerosol, not respiratory droplets, which any mask would stop completely.
Tbh I dont think that's representative of anything except of the chances of getting infected  while filming covid19 porn...

Third:

The median viral loads after coughs without a mask, with a surgical mask, and with a cotton mask were 2.56 log copies/mL, 2.42 log copies/mL, and 1.85 log copies/mL, respectively.

So there IS a reduction in the number of copies.

Now,  we know masks are not perfect, much less non-HEPA masks. But if the infected guy wears a mask, and you wear a mask too, and he stands 6 feet away... you're going to reduce your exposure a whole frigging lot. You are hedging the odds in your favor for not getting infected, or, if infected, to have it happen with a lower viral load


Edit:

For that matter we have good evidence that masks help to prevent viral infections, from past epidemics

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5153448/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699551/

[coalboat]

EDIT: BTW Jimmy, you cut off the part of your quote that explains that the more stringent standards for PPE from China were "In response to this situation" which was the fact that "In Europe, huge quantities of Chinese coronavirus test kits and medical use masks have been rejected as defective". There's really no need to jump to the conspiracy theory that this move is to stop other people getting PPE, when a perfectly reasonable explanation is right in the article you linked. China has enough industrial capacity to make all the PPE they need, plus enough to export to make money and keep their economy afloat. They want to sell more PPE, but if they export faulty PPE, people will stop buying it. Export demand for a lot of stuff has already dropped. China has no issue with exporting PPE if that's what's going to keep factories open.

My apologies if I come off as having aluminium headgear. I know the official reasons, and they're good ones. However, I also have a measure of mistrust for a system that claims to have zero new cases within the epicenter of the original outbreak. Li Wenliang. Chen Qiushi. Fang Bin. Li Zehua. Other voices that are now gone. They all spoke of an ugly truth, that the emperor has no clothes.

Factories that rely on export are facing a severe decrease in demand, and workers lose their job. The government probably wouldn't miss any export opportunity. Even "evil" governments need their tax...

[thompson]

I won’t repeat the quote to conserve scrolling effort, but those reductions from wearing a mask are huge. If it’s log base 10 you’re getting 28% less virus with a surgical mask, and an 80% reduction from cotton. By comparison, 2m of physical distancing reduced viral exposure by how much exactly? 50% maybe, depending on how close you were before. Sounds like they’ve pretty conclusively proven effectiveness to me.

[Jimmy]

Anyone following New Zealand?

Because, god damn, Jacinda is kicking ass.

She's a hell of a leader to have for a crisis.

Kinda feel like us Aussies would really benefit from just becoming the west island of NZ.

[mko]

I won’t repeat the quote to conserve scrolling effort, but those reductions from wearing a mask are huge. If it’s log base 10 you’re getting 28% less virus with a surgical mask, and an 80% reduction from cotton. By comparison, 2m of physical distancing reduced viral exposure by how much exactly? 50% maybe, depending on how close you were before. Sounds like they’ve pretty conclusively proven effectiveness to me.

More reduction from cotton than with surgical? It seems unlikely (either you or this study missed something).

[Iduno]

The people around me are dumb-founded, but also getting skewed news.

The old couple here think the US has devolved into active Chinese hunts with Asian-descent citizens being killed in the streets. They took the call for Americans to return home (since flights might shut down for a while) as a clue of the impending Sino-American war.

More sane views are absolute confusion on how such a powerful country can mess things up so much. My girlfriend sees it as the US actively showing that it doesn't care about its citizens. Things seemingly were handled well here, and why others didn't do the same is incomprehensible.


A couple guys I know don't care at all except that NBA is cancelled. So, a wide range in my experience.

I think harassment and assaults of anyone Asian-looking is up here, but it's not at the point of people being hunted down and eliminated. I'll agree with your girlfriend's assessment, though.

Anyone following New Zealand?

Probably just the Australians are.