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[Soulwynd]

They don't. It's just a doppler effect.

[Jakkarra]

Got a brigade helm, not a BAD hat, but not my favourite.

[returntonull]

Got a brigade helm, not a BAD hat, but not my favourite.

So close, yet so far here. Almost got enough metal to try for the Billycock. Watch the game give me the wig or the fedora instead. Stupid game. 

[Jakkarra]

Don't get the billycock, get the fedora or wig, wait out for the Modest pile, it's a much better model.

[returntonull]

Don't get the billycock, get the fedora or wig, wait out for the Modest pile, it's a much better model.

Yeah, but the color is terrible.

[Duke 2.0]

 Right, so I have enough metal and items to craft any craftable item in the game. What should I get?

[Jakkarra]

Just get random hats.

[Jreengus]

Ok I've been thinking about this and either the Backburner has received a slight debuff or else it's description is wrong. It states that the Backburner deals +20% damage. But I was under the impression originally both guns had their damage reduced by 20% and then the Backburner was returned to it's original damage. So either the Backburner now does 4% less damage or else it's description should read +25%.

Spoiler: The mathsy stuff (click to show/hide)

If we assume the flamethrowers dealt a damage of 100* they were bothe reduced by 20% so they now deal 80 damage. After this either one of two things happened.

Case 1:
The Backburner was returned to 100 damage. In this case the description is incorrect and should read: +25% damage, as the damage was increased by 20 which is 25% of 80.

Case 2:
The Backburner damage was increased by 20% as it states. 20% of 80 is 80*(1/5) = 16. add this to 80 and you see that the new Backburner damage is 96 or 4% less than the original damage.

*Number simply chosen to make it easy to convert back and forth with percentages.

[returntonull]

Ok I've been thinking about this and either the Backburner has received a slight debuff or else it's description is wrong. It states that the Backburner deals +20% damage. But I was under the impression originally both guns had their damage reduced by 20% and then the Backburner was returned to it's original damage. So either the Backburner now does 4% less damage or else it's description should read +25%.

Yep, the Steam forums have already declared that Valve fail at math forever.

[Zai]

Ok I've been thinking about this and either the Backburner has received a slight debuff or else it's description is wrong. It states that the Backburner deals +20% damage. But I was under the impression originally both guns had their damage reduced by 20% and then the Backburner was returned to it's original damage. So either the Backburner now does 4% less damage or else it's description should read +25%.

I realized this while I was trying to sleep last night.

[Sowelu]

Percentages in games are almost ALWAYS intended to be percenTILES, which are additive rather than multiplicative.  I know Diablo kinda-sorta spells it out, but tabletop RPGs have to be crystal clear; they usually say in the first couple pages that if you add a x2 effect onto a x2 effect, you get a x3 effect.

Of course shootemups or anything else with a score tends to be percentage, not percentile, but that's not really a game balance thing.

Multiplying percentages is madness to balance.  Adding percentiles is much harder to screw up.

[returntonull]

Percentages in games are almost ALWAYS intended to be percenTILES, which are additive rather than multiplicative.  I know Diablo kinda-sorta spells it out, but tabletop RPGs have to be crystal clear; they usually say in the first couple pages that if you add a x2 effect onto a x2 effect, you get a x3 effect.

Of course shootemups or anything else with a score tends to be percentage, not percentile, but that's not really a game balance thing.

Multiplying percentages is madness to balance.  Adding percentiles is much harder to screw up.

I'd agree, if it wasn't the base damage they had modified.

[Duke 2.0]

 You know what? I take back all praise about the update. Valve ruined the pyro.

 I can understand discouraging the W+M1 playstyle, but the pyro was made to be the king of close quarters combat. This is the only area his primary weapon can operate. The classes primary weapon should be just that: Their primary way of killing. When you have the choice of a main weapon that cannot kill the class your class is a counter to in the optimal range it was designed for, or a weapon with a higher DPS and the ability to fire at a range, you take the secondary.

 Pyros, your shotguns are better than your flamethrowers now. Everybody switch to Backburner.

[fenrif]

You know what? I take back all praise about the update. Valve ruined the pyro.

 I can understand discouraging the W+M1 playstyle, but the pyro was made to be the king of close quarters combat. This is the only area his primary weapon can operate. The classes primary weapon should be just that: Their primary way of killing. When you have the choice of a main weapon that cannot kill the class your class is a counter to in the optimal range it was designed for, or a weapon with a higher DPS and the ability to fire at a range, you take the secondary.

 Pyros, your shotguns are better than your flamethrowers now. Everybody switch to Backburner.

Something about that video seems fishy to me. Something about the way the health drains away at a steady rate, then just holds at one while he gets his dead ringer out. I don't really use the dead ringer though, maybe thats normal and I'm just overly cynical. If its true then yes, it's very lame.

Also how come his disguise menu has 1 under the soldier, 2 under heavy, and 3 under sniper? Is there some mod you can use to switch the keys around for the disguises? If so that's pretty usefull and I want it.

[dragnar]

Yeah, that seems sorta off. Pyros do not go down in three shots from the pistol unless all three of them are headshots. I could be wrong though, I always use the ambassador.