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[Gunner-Chan]

... Uhh...

I kinda came into this topic to see if anyone was talking about Portal 2 and anything interesting about it and instead I seem to have wandered into the "Lets bitch about valve and games I don't like from them topic". Seriously?

[Draco18s]

It's called thread drift.  Every forum has it (except those that don't).

[alfie275]

My birthday is in April...

[Shadowlord]

On that note, if there's one reason to start a new thread about a game when one already exists, it's when the game comes out. I opened the Dungeons thread, and you know, it takes a while to find the point in the thread where the game actually comes out. It's somewhere in the middle of the thread. The first half is people talking about it before it's out, the second half is mostly people saying how bad it turned out to be after it did come out, except for some people saying "Well, you're likely to get horribly killed in the beginning of every level unless you know exactly what to do, but other than that it's great!"

It would just be nice to not have to hunt for the review part of the thread.

[kg333]

On that note, if there's one reason to start a new thread about a game when one already exists, it's when the game comes out. I opened the Dungeons thread, and you know, it takes a while to find the point in the thread where the game actually comes out. It's somewhere in the middle of the thread. The first half is people talking about it before it's out, the second half is mostly people saying how bad it turned out to be after it did come out, except for some people saying "Well, you're likely to get horribly killed in the beginning of every level unless you know exactly what to do, but other than that it's great!"

It would just be nice to not have to hunt for the review part of the thread.

Good idea, I'd noticed that about the Dungeons thread too.  *notes to self to to start new thread in April if he doesn't see one.

KG

[Catastrophic lolcats]

You have a bitter taste in your month because a company hasn’t come out with a new game? Isn’t that rather a sign that you like the company and the products they make? What is the deal with people thinking they are entitled to another Half-Life?  Episodic or not, they aren’t. We may all want to know how the story ends, but we don’t get to make the timeline.

It's more the lack of information that the fans are getting uppity about. It's regarded as one of, if not the best fps in history and people really wish to see it contiuned. It seems like to the fans that valve has just gave up on the half-life series and decided to make Hat Simulator 2011.

I’ll admit the whole micro transaction thing is very very strange, but it did not butcher the community. There are still servers up every day with low pings and plenty of players. How exactly do you measure a “butchered” community?

The community of TF2 is just disturbing. Go onto the steam forums for a second and 90% of the front page will be about hats. Tha balance has gone out the window. The comptitive scene is a shadow of it's foremoreself. It's near impossible for a new player to compete on an equal level with other people due to the horrid item drop system. The over powered weapons with no downsides what so ever. The gimmic weapons which make team mates useless to you (it's team fortress for a reason). The lack of class balance, the pyro is still terrible and valve insists on giving it new shitty weapons instead of new abilities. The whoring out of team fortress to other developers so we can get shitty art direction breaking weapons and hats. Adding hats to the sets some of which are completely postive. The lack of a serverside toggle to remove hats. Trading; which gives you spammers that sit in spawn, team mates that stop in the middle of battle to trade with some other idiot. TF2 is done, it's dead. Anyone with half a brain jumped the ship ages ago. The truth is the game can never return to a state where the balance and gameplay were the top priority so now it will be milked to it's final drop.

Where to start on this one? You are upset and complaining that Valve released a free game and didn’t support it? Really? This is a big thing your entire post is missing out on. Supporting these games long after they’ve been released costs money and is not something the average development team does. Any additional content they released for TF2 or Half-Life or anything else could have easily been a paid download. TF2 has been out now for three and a half years! The fact that Valve even lets the servers run is pretty incredible, let alone developing new content for it.

I'm not complaing that they didn't support the game, it just seem like a wrong move. Alien Swarm being updated with just a few more maps, or even easier a way to download player made maps ingame could have gotten a lot more people into steam. Valve's complete indifference to getting people into steam makes me worried that they think they can just whore out their games to other developers when the money pile dies down a bit.
As for paying for dlc, well in the case of team fortress 2 it would have been welcomed. Let the kids buy their hats while the gamers play their game. TF2 is like buying a cake, enjoying the cake, then a couple days later the chef comes up and farts in your face. You attempt to complain but everyone states that it was free, so it must be good!

But, again, how can this leave a bitter taste in your mouth compared to the business practice of other major game companies? Map packs for 20 bucks? “Elite units of the (direction)” for 6 dollars? New train types for 2 dollars!?

Hats for 20 dollars (more than the game itself)? Some of which are needed for item sets? Some of which give a complete postive buff?
Whew, fuck! I'm glad they didn't do that at all. *Cough*
Seriously though, valve used to be a beacon of light in the computer gaming market. To me it seems like we're losing that perfection and moving on with milking little Jimmy's parents' bank account like all game developers end up going. That what really makes me sad.

This wasn't a personal attack either, just defending my statements.

[kg333]

You have a bitter taste in your month because a company hasn’t come out with a new game? Isn’t that rather a sign that you like the company and the products they make? What is the deal with people thinking they are entitled to another Half-Life?  Episodic or not, they aren’t. We may all want to know how the story ends, but we don’t get to make the timeline.

It's more the lack of information that the fans are getting uppity about. It's regarded as one of, if not the best fps in history and people really wish to see it contiuned. It seems like to the fans that valve has just gave up on the half-life series and decided to make Hat Simulator 2011.

The sense of entitlement comes from Valve's promises of a three episode update to the Half-Life series.  Of course, the horrible cliff hanger ending of Half Life 2: Episode 2 didn't help with the impatience at all...it's closing on four years now, Valve, and you've done at least three other games in that time period.  Time to pay the piper and follow up on promises.

Back on topic, bringing on the Tag team for Portal 2 has me excited; Digipen student work has given me high expectations after how well the first Portal turned out.  I'm glad I bought a new computer recently, though; the fluid mechanics they showed in the trailer would have made my laptop have a fit and die.

KG

[Soulwynd]

"Balance doesn't matter."

It doesn't. People will try use any given item, vanilla or not, to its fullest. You either learn to counter it or you quit like a whining maggot. Don't blame you lack of skills in the game on balance when being able to aim and dodge are the most important things in it.

The disgusting butchering of Team Fortress 2 which destoryed the balance and community.

I’ll admit the whole micro transaction thing is very very strange, but it did not butcher the community. There are still servers up every day with low pings and plenty of players. How exactly do you measure a “butchered” community?

You don't, TF2 is thriving as usual. It's whining from people who can't play TF2 or think a hat that's on fire matters. Freud might blame it on penis envy.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

It doesn't. People will try use any given item, vanilla or not, to its fullest. You either learn to counter it or you quit like a whining maggot. Don't blame you lack of skills in the game on balance when being able to aim and dodge are the most important things in it.

Attack the person rather than their logic, nice.
There was never any large amount of skill in TF2 and with the recent updates theres less.
You're trying to tell me that Natasha and the Sandman added skill to the game? The real skills came from team work and communication which was butchered when valved decided to blur the lines between the various classes.
I guess balance doesn't matter for the competitve community either who usually injects life into the game after the mainstream audience had it full.
I guess it doesn't matter that Valve backflipped on the design policies they worked years trying to prefect just to get some more money out of the casual gamers.

You don't, TF2 is thriving as usual. It's whining from people who can't play TF2 or think a hat that's on fire matters. Freud might blame it on penis envy.

You seem to think everyone cares that you spent money at an online store. Some people want to play a game without either paying money to get weapons or spend years waiting to get the same weapons as everyone else.
As for the community. Its crap. Theres no skill left in it, I can join Tf2 and dominate whole teams which is sad. The community just wants more crappy weapons and hats which isolates new players from entering. The community is stranggling itself with its over all shitiness.
TF2 is NOT an MMORPG.

In closing: I wish to state I disagree with you sir. Also to inform that I hope never to meet you in a dark alley.

[Toady One]

Things are getting a little out of hand in here.  You can disagree without being rude.  I don't know if Sowelu minds the continued discussion of non-Portal stuff in here, but you might want to move on if it's going to end up like this.

[Draco18s]

"Balance doesn't matter."

It doesn't. People will try use any given item, vanilla or not, to its fullest. You either learn to counter it or you quit like a whining maggot. Don't blame you lack of skills in the game on balance when being able to aim and dodge are the most important things in it.

Class balance.  Balance between items.

Its not about me, my skill, or the items I have, or how well I can use them.

I'm talking about class blurring, items that turn one class into a counter to its "counter class."

There is balance to TF2.  It doesn't need to be perfect, but they designed the game around "oh, that's why I died, I'll do this differently" and none of the new items allow for that.  There's too many combinations, too many choices, and too much "I can't counter that."

[Derekristow]

There is a perfectly good TF2 thread you can yell at each other in, but this one is for Portal 2.

Are there any new updates on content/storyline?

[Soulwynd]

Yeah, I moved it over to the TF2 thread. I apologize for the commotion over here and still hope for my Portal 2 inspired items for TF2.

[The Scout]

Will pre-order when I see a hat.

[Fikes]

I, personally, would like to commend Catastrophic lolcats for a well written response to my post.

Has there been any new news on Co-op? That is one of my most looked forward to features.