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8 (16%)

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8 (16%)

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Total Members Voted: 49

[FearfulJesuit]

Alignment test, I fail right on question one. Answer: None of the Above.

My tried and true strategy is to peg it with tennis balls until it climbs out of the tree on it's own.

Here's a version on OKCupid, if you are so inclined. Just make sure you tell it to just show you the results without signing up. I got Neutral Good on this one, too. Scored slightly more on the chaotic than lawful side, but only slightly.

[Cheeetar]

You are conventional and puritanical.

Men: You moralize and see women as a great conspiracy against man, with sex as their principal weapon. You are missing a great deal in life.

I don't really find this accurate, but I don't suppose I expected it to be.

[Vector]

You are fairly broadminded romantic and reasonably contented. You value kindness greatly and try to live by your ideals. You do not conceal from yourself, or from others, your strong need for security, which may be either emotional or material.

Women: Your experiences of men have not all been happy, perhaps because you hope for a little too much?

You are fairly broadminded romantic and reasonably contented. You value kindness greatly and try to live by your ideals. You do not conceal from yourself, or from others, your strong need for security, which may be either emotional or material.

Men: Perhaps you tend to idealize women and credit them with virtues they don't possess.

Uh... Little John, Marion, Robin Hood, Sheriff.

Little John, to the best of my understanding, did nothing wrong--he wasn't in the green on the morality meter, but he didn't do anything immoral either.  Marion did something I strongly disagree with for selfless reasons.  Robin Hood did something I strongly disagree with for understandable reasons.  Sheriff did something I strongly disagree with for selfish reasons.  Everyone's in the red!  It was an everyone's-in-the-red sort of scenario.

What, are they upset that I ranked Marion and Robin too high?  I don't really get it.  In my point of view, Little John and Robin Hood would have probably gotten out some other way, possible with the help of Will Scarlet and Friar Tuck or the entire rest of the merry band of men, so Marion acted needlessly.  I feel like both Robin and Marion are about the same, because they both hold stupid opinions for emotional reasons.

EDIT: . . . Also, I'm apparently in the 96th percentile on good for the OK Cupid test ;_; Hahahahahhaah-sob.  Lawful good, 26th percentile on chaotic.

[Cthulhu]

That quiz is a little judgmental.  Just to see what would happen I said I was a woman and picked Sheriff, Robin Hood, Little John, Maid Marian, and it all but said I was wrong.

In reality I picked Maid Marian, Little John, and then Robin Hood and the Sheriff are about the same, though I'm beginning to get what they meant about chivalry and idealism.  Putting the sheriff's exploitation as automatically worse than Robin Hood's meltdown feels a bit like putting the woman's sexuality on a pedestal.  If he'd done any other form of exploitation, would he still be worse?  Maid Marian and Little John are similar too, I figure Little John is about neutral.  Maid Marian was honest about what she did.

I'm Neutral Good.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

In my point of view, Little John and Robin Hood would have probably gotten out some other way, possible with the help of Will Scarlet and Friar Tuck or the entire rest of the merry band of men, so Marion acted needlessly.

Yeah, that's the second big problem with the test. Expecting that the Sheriff could hold Little John and Robin Hood for any meaningful period of time is kind of silly. Would be interesting to see if people would react differently if Marion spends the night with the Sheriff, only for Robin Hood and Little John to have broken out hours ago anyway.

[freeformschooler]

Oh God, I've been visualizing this entire scenario with the Disney characters unintentionally. That makes it about 10x worse.

[Vector]

Okay, how about "You kill Robin Hood's best friend, Little John, and then I'll let Robin out."

Actually, I think I'd rank Robin Hood, Little John, Marion, then Sheriff in that case, assuming Little John just went "Uh, I'm going to let you kill me for the sake of mah friend."  I'm really not into the whole emotional manipulation or imprisonment thing, which is why I put Sheriff last.

[Flying Dice]

Oh God, I've been visualizing this entire scenario with the Disney characters unintentionally. That makes it about 10x worse.

You are terrible and should feel terrible. I have good memories of that movie, even though almost all the animation was ripped from other Disney movies.

Incidentally, I went through a few test runs of it, and it's pretty much locked into a specific set of objective moral codes, despite several of the actions being at least somewhat grey. In fact, the only one who was without question in the wrong was the Sheriff. Unless you're a sociopath or something.

I also did the alignment one.

Spoiler: True Neutral (click to show/hide)

You are 25% Good.
You are 2.6% Lawful.
Alignment: True Neutral

      You do whatever seems like a good idea at the time. You don't feel any strong inclination towards good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Some may say that you lack conviction, while others might admire you for your capability of remaining unbiased. You likely prefer good versus evil in society, since good people tend to make better neighbors and rulers, but you are not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way.
      You are the stereotypical “Balancer.” You act in a way that is natural to you without prejudice or compulsion.
      Examples of charactersand people who fit into the same alignment as you include Linus Torvalds, Dr. Strangelove, Scott Evil, Mr. Spock, and the nation of Switzerland.

[kaijyuu]

I don't usually pull the moral indignation card, but uh... Marion got raped, people. She did nothing wrong.

Physical violence isn't the only way rape can occur. Any sort of forcing someone into sex is rape, period. That includes threatening a third party.



The only way I can see her not getting raped in this scenario is if you assume that the Sheriff was justified in imprisoning Robin Hood. I presume you're on the side of Robin Hood here when it comes to that. If you're some wacko libertarian who sees Robin Hood as a villain protagonist since he steals from the rich to give to the poor, then maybe you have a case for Marion seducing the Sheriff (but even in that case it's explicitly pointed out in the text that he offered the deal to her, at which point her worst crime is accepting an offer to bribe the Sheriff).

[SomeStupidGuy]

Oh hey it's that one test that ol' Kaufman gave in Silent Hill: SM.
Different, but more or less the same.

  You are essentially a contented person, even if you consider yourself a little superior. You are moral by your own standards, for you believe that morality is what best suits the occasion.
 Men: You are sexually uninhibited, more romantic than you may appear, and more dependent on the approval of others than you care to admit.
 

I don't usually pull the moral indignation card, but uh... Marion got raped, people. She did nothing wrong.

Physical violence isn't the only way rape can occur. Any sort of forcing someone into sex is rape, period. That includes threatening a third party.



The only way I can see her not getting raped in this scenario is if you assume that the Sheriff was justified in imprisoning Robin Hood. I presume you're on the side of Robin Hood here when it comes to that. If you're some wacko libertarian who sees Robin Hood as a villain protagonist since he steals from the rich to give to the poor, then maybe you have a case for Marion seducing the Sheriff (but even in that case it's explicitly pointed out in the text that he offered the deal to her, at which point her worst crime is accepting an offer to bribe the Sheriff).

No see, she... uh. I dunno.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I don't usually pull the moral indignation card, but uh... Marion got raped, people. She did nothing wrong.

Physical violence isn't the only way rape can occur. Any sort of forcing someone into sex is rape, period. That includes threatening a third party.



The only way I can see her not getting raped in this scenario is if you assume that the Sheriff was justified in imprisoning Robin Hood. I presume you're on the side of Robin Hood here when it comes to that. If you're some wacko libertarian who sees Robin Hood as a villain protagonist since he steals from the rich to give to the poor, then maybe you have a case for Marion seducing the Sheriff (but even in that case it's explicitly pointed out in the text that he offered the deal to her, at which point her worst crime is accepting an offer to bribe the Sheriff).

The issue comes in with what you consider to be threatening. The Sheriff has already imprisoned Robin Hood. There's no active threat to him in that. He's offering to let him out, not placing a threat against him. You could consider it a passive threat, but it's hard to say.

Now, as for the imprisonment, capturing Robin hood is the Sheriff's damned job. It isn't really right, but it isn't a malicious act either. If he didn't capture thieves he'd be a bad Sheriff.

[Vector]

Marion decided between her rape and her love's imprisonment--like it was a binary option.

I think her error was a failure to be creative--she worked with Evil when there were a lot of other ways out of the predicament.  If it weren't Marion, I might have felt differently about it, but Maid Marion is cool and this does not make a very good story.


Actually, change it to Lancelot, King Arthur, Guenevere, and Mordred, and I think I'd have very different feelings.  Map Lancelot to Robin Hood, Arthur to Little John, Guenevere to Maid Marion, Mordred to the Sheriff and I'd probably do Guenevere, Arthur, Lancelot, Mordred.

[Flying Dice]

Kai, read it again.

The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with him. To this she agreed.

Sheriff was a scumbag who used her friends as leverage, but it was still a choice. She could have walked away (and, this being Robin Hood, she would likely have arranged a jailbreak within the week).

I wouldn't term it seduction, either. If she came on to him and then drugged his wine or knocked him over the head, sure. In the scenario as presented it was a clear exchange between Marion and the Sheriff, sexual favors for the release of a pair of men who may or may not have been lawfully imprisoned. I'm not making a value judgement (apart from the Sheriff being slime), merely an observation. As Vector said, the situation was presented as a binary choice when it was not, and Marion is (to say the least) unlikely to resort to something like this.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

(apart from the Sheriff being slime)

I am not!

[Trapezohedron]

Kai, read it again.

The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with him. To this she agreed.

Sheriff was a scumbag who used her friends as leverage, but it was still a choice. She could have walked away (and, this being Robin Hood, she would likely have arranged a jailbreak within the week).

I wouldn't term it seduction, either. If she came on to him and then drugged his wine or knocked him over the head, sure. In the scenario as presented it was a clear exchange between Marion and the Sheriff, sexual favors for the release of a pair of men who may or may not have been lawfully imprisoned. I'm not making a value judgement (apart from the Sheriff being slime), merely an observation. As Vector said, the situation was presented as a binary choice when it was not, and Marion is (to say the least) unlikely to resort to something like this.

Exactly. Marion agreed to the deal, and since it's the sheriff's job to capture thieves, she's the one offering the bribe in this case, not the sheriff raping her.

Sure, rape is technically "nonconsensual sex" between partners, but in this case, she chose it herself to keep the sheriff from doing his job.

And now that I bring up nonconsensual, she agreed to it. In short, she consented to it by agreeing to the deal. So, it's not rape.