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[forsaken1111]

I just want my PC game to be designed for the PC and not a console. That's all. Is it really that much to ask?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I just want my PC game to be designed for the PC and not a console. That's all. Is it really that much to ask?

NO.

I hope they start porting portable (and poting potable potions!) cellphone games to PC and calling them major retail games. We'd see about the same quality of entries from the Ported-to-PC category.

[nenjin]

I just want my PC game to be designed for the PC and not a console. That's all. Is it really that much to ask?

Depends on who you're asking It's not just UI and input considerations. It's where performance is capped at, how many things can get drawn to the screen and a range of hardware profiles vs. one single, solitary hardware profile.

I'm not happy about where resources get invested, but from a technical standpoint I can appreciate how much faster and easier it is to make games for the 360 versus the PC. If the speed and ease of console development showed up as more, better content in the vast majority of games that come out for them, I'd probably have bought one right now. But it seems like, with only a few exceptions, awesome games aren't a product of the platform, they're a product of a good dev house that happens to have the man power and money to do it all: make a great game and make it shine for whatever platform it runs on.

So to me hating on the console is kind of misdirected anger.

[forsaken1111]

Oh I don't hate the console. I play many games on the console. I just don't like being saddled with a crappy UI and software limitations because a game was developed for the console first. Other PC games don't have this issue.

[nenjin]

Sure they do. Lots of PC games have crappy or at least less-than-fully-functional UIs.

Limitations aren't necessarily inherent in the software either. The huge gaps between what the 360 can display and the PC can display are hardware-based. The irony to me is that the supposed benefit of consoles means you're paying somewhat less than PC users every 4 to 5 years to upgrade your whole hardware profile (and to wait for developers and everyone else to catch up to the "next gen" of consoles) where with a PC, you do it piecemeal. I'm honestly surprised we haven't had the "next gen" of consoles crammed down our throats yet. Because the 360 is already lagging behind.

The problem to me is being thorough. Now, maybe console devs don't have the time, the money or the permission to be thorough. But simple stuff like a properly organized key bind config for a PC port is an issue of thoroughness. (Fuck you, Dead Rising 2.) Putting in the extra 3 weeks it takes to go over your input scheme and make sensible additions for the sake of mouse functionality is an issue of thoroughness. Really common sense stuff (to the end user) would do leagues of good for PC user's tolerance of less-than-stellar PC ports.

While I'd love for PC ports to totally redesign their UIs around PC functionality, or open up all their engine configs so we can take advantage of the massive horsepower your average PC rig has....on the scale of things I need to play these games, they're pretty minor. It's just the basic "connect the fucking dots" type of issues that really make me feel like they are either too lazy to bother, or honestly don't give a shit about the market for their ports.

[Canalan]

You know, I remember when games were designed for the computer and then had various quality ports to the various consoles.  Anyone remember Quake 2 for N64?
In other words, I miss when the computer was the main gaming system.

In other news, Draugr Deathlords man, just... Draugr Deathlords.

[nenjin]

It's not as long as ago as you might think. The port of Battlefield 2 to Xbox was a sad, sad monkey. It looked like Counterstrike: Source compared to its PC cousin.

I think it's just, as kids, it was easier to find the money to buy a console and rent games than it was to spend a larger sum of money on a PC rig. (And all the technical knowledge you have to acquire to.) It's hard to put yourself back in that mindset....and so it's easy to forget there's a whole 'nother generation of gamers out there. They may be more technically saavy then the average console gamer used to be, but they're still just as broke and just as lacking in the motivation to build a PC and take control of their gaming environment.

[PTTG??]

You know, I remember when games were designed for the computer and then had various quality ports to the various consoles.  Anyone remember Quake 2 for N64?
In other words, I miss when the computer was the main gaming system.

In other news, Draugr Deathlords man, just... Draugr Deathlords.

I was really, really disappointed when I finished the main quest.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The most challenging part was the walk through the extremely generic ruins. I waited for ten levels, collecting health potions and building my weapon and armor skills so that I might more effectively face the ultimate challenge. I end up taking no damage during the boss fight because the three immortal helpers that show up and help you are the only targets for the stupid boss dragon.

[Rex_Nex]

Reasons I went console for gaming:

• Consoles are about half the price of PCs. 300$ can get you a console and a controller, while 600$ can get you a decent PC.
• Consoles never need to be upgraded unless you need more storage. A console generation usually lasts 6-7 years, and a console from year 1 will be able to run the same things as a console from year 7. A 600$ computer will not last nearly as long before upgrading is required.
• You do not need to mess with drivers.
• Every game you buy for your console will work for your console. This is not true for the PC.
• Much of the gaming market is focused on consoles.
So, yea.

[nenjin]

On the other hand, most PC problems are fixable and the # of games I've not been able to get to work eventually can be counted on one hand. (Because I'm tenacious with these things.)

It takes more effort on the part of the end user, it's true. But I take the long view of it, which is that I'm learning a little something every time I have to find a solution. Which makes the effort worth more than just getting the game to run.

[Glowcat]

I hope Bethesda doesnt pull a FONV and ignore the PS3s issues for this game. They really bombed the performance; its like they didnt optimize it for the ps3s structure at all. Low FPS and freezing on top of all the usual bethesda issues. To really "fix" the issue, I fear the entire engine would need to be reworked. The chance of that happening for a already released game is slim to none.

It really sucks, as the PS3 is a great system when games are made properly for it. Beth is taking a lot of heat for its PS3 port of Skyrim, PS Magazine itself made "Skyrim Scandal" part of their front page.

That is the case despite Bethesda PR's denial. PS3 suffers more than XBox due to forced memory allocation which splits the amount of memory it can use for the game. FNV had to cut content from their original game (Primm area) just to let PS3 users get in on DLC.

The next generation of consoles will probably alleviate these problems, but we're stuck with them for Skyrim.

[Duke 2.0]

So the first dragon I face outside of the plot one for the first soul and shout combo. It has a story.

Spoiler: Take the first (click to show/hide)

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The Blind People: the dragon is attacking a giants camp
The Blind People: Huh
Aqizzar: let him have it
Aqizzar: they'll work it out
Aqizzar: I wonder what the giant strike hitting a dragon looks like
The Blind People: Let's find out
The Blind People: If either of them don't kill me first\
Aqizzar: considering it knocks the PC into orbit
The Blind People: THE GIANTS ARE TOO BUSY WHACKING WOLVES INTO ORBIT
Aqizzar: good, fuck those wolves
Aqizzar: that was my beauty moment, when I realized I could hold two spells at once, and a second later wolves attack
Aqizzar: ride the fiery lightning bitches
The Blind People: Holy shit this is so awesome
The Blind People: A giant is just taking fire breath to the face
Aqizzar: giant don't give a fuck
The Blind People: He smacks the dragon with his clug and the dragon just sorta spazzes out for a few seconds
The Blind People: Second giant trying to kill me though
Aqizzar: whoa shit
Aqizzar: aw
The Blind People: Dragon is dead, two pissed off giants
The Blind People: I sure hope they have the same weakness as in all Bethesda games: Magical death from high rocks
Aqizzar: yes, yes they do
The Blind People: Delightdul, they decide to run off and have a swim in the nearby river
Aqizzar: 20 years of gaming science to build on, Bethesda still doesn't know how jumping works
Aqizzar: also good
Aqizzar: but they killed the dragon eh
The Blind People: I tried to absorb the dragon soul but the giants ran back
Aqizzar: oh god, what if one of them absorbed it
The Blind People: !!!
The Blind People: SHGIT
Aqizzar: you better get it
The Blind People: I'm taking that fucker down
The Blind People: Now I see why they retreat to the river, there's a ledge that shields them from my attacks
The Blind People: Startlingly smart
Aqizzar: ...no shit
Aqizzar: for either Bethesda, or giants
The Blind People: Mind you these are dragon-soul superpowered giants
Aqizzar: well, one of them is soulpowered anyway
Aqizzar: the other is just pissed
The Blind People: I also doubt they can fit into the shrines to learn the words of wisdom for a shout
The Blind People: Although their gutteral cries might count anyway
Aqizzar: you might think so
Aqizzar: and yeah, they don't sound any less coherent than the chanting Minnesota Vikings whenver you get near one
The Blind People: Why is one at full health again argh
The Blind People: ohshit they got up here
Aqizzar: dragon soul power
Aqizzar: OH SHI
Aqizzar: they've learned to climb!
Aqizzar: all is lost
The Blind People: i FELL OFF A CLIFF AND DIED
The Blind People: welp


Spoiler: Take two! (click to show/hide)

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The Blind People: Dragon fight take #
Aqizzar: ^ typo or open number, either works
The Blind People: i love it when typos work out just fine
The Blind People: The darn thing is just circling around and not landing while I nervously eye the nearby giants
Aqizzar: they're both waiting for you to make a move
The Blind People: it"s a three_way chess game
Aqizzar: as soon as you engage one, the others will move in
The Blind People: it also seems the caps thing doesn"t work on non_text
Aqizzar: yeah, caps is like that
Aqizzar: it's just letters
The Blind People: No you pricks I am not leaving this rock
Aqizzar: on this rock will you make your stand
The Blind People: The giants are skulking around on another rock
Aqizzar: they're learning
Aqizzar: they're like bonobos with dumptruck muscles
The Blind People: I am moving off the rock
The Blind People: Welp
Aqizzar: he's a madman
The Blind People: Yup it's fucking with the giants now
Aqizzar: mission accomplished
The Blind People: But the giants want to fuck with me
The Blind People: It's like a violent sitcom of death
Aqizzar: how do they even know you're there
The Blind People: KILLING ME WON'T BRING YOUR MAMMOTHS BACK
Aqizzar: and yes, it is getting into wacky hijinks territory
Aqizzar: the last time I saw a giant die, his club just slowly floated up into the air forever
Aqizzar: I heard a really loud sound, saw no one around, and there was just a dead giant and an antigrav club
The Blind People: We are back to angry giant on Dragon smackdown
The Blind People: Holy shit it just backhanded it
Aqizzar: gigantic pimp slap?
The Blind People: The dragon died to it yes
Aqizzar: g'damn
The Blind People: Now to creep up on the body before they absorb the soul
Aqizzar: you already know they can slap one to death
Aqizzar: you might have to team up with the dragons
The Blind People: I now know my true quest in this game


[NobodyPro]

I needed that.

[Tellemurius]

Reasons I went console for gaming:

• Consoles are about half the price of PCs. 300$ can get you a console and a controller, while 600$ can get you a decent PC.
• Consoles never need to be upgraded unless you need more storage. A console generation usually lasts 6-7 years, and a console from year 1 will be able to run the same things as a console from year 7. A 600$ computer will not last nearly as long before upgrading is required.
• You do not need to mess with drivers.
• Every game you buy for your console will work for your console. This is not true for the PC.
• Much of the gaming market is focused on consoles.
So, yea.

Consoles are still lowest end in technology and considering you sell your soul to the companies (well i haven't seen anything from nintendo's end, usually they don't care much), you don't got much say when shit goes down. Also you still guys still don't get mods, ALL bethesda games are not fun if you can't install mods. And thanks to you console maniacs i got little kids whining on counterstrike saying this is harder than Halo.

[Glowcat]

Consoles are still lowest end in technology and considering you sell your soul to the companies (well i haven't seen anything from nintendo's end, usually they don't care much), you don't got much say when shit goes down. Also you still guys still don't get mods, ALL bethesda games are not fun if you can't install mods. And thanks to you console maniacs i got little kids whining on counterstrike saying this is harder than Halo.

Are you blaming people who buy consoles for who joins your counterstrike server?