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[Gatleos]

Not fat, but Reagan was pretty damn ugly. I think the republicans like that, actually.

Come to think of it, that's probably the real reason they all hate Romney: he doesn't look like a deformed, rippling alien slug creature.

[Canalan]

Ah, good, another Fountainhead reader.  For fun, analyze Romney using the speech Roark gives at his trial.
And some of my family supports Gingrich as well, and all attempts to explain his hypocrisy were met with the standard "Obama is a socialist" answers.

Do you mean in terms of being a second hander, or what? I can see him being one, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean? Is it something about his flip-flopping on every issue?

Yeah, his inability to hold ideas of his own unless everyone else in his chosen group holds them.

[Zrk2]

Ah, good, another Fountainhead reader.  For fun, analyze Romney using the speech Roark gives at his trial.
And some of my family supports Gingrich as well, and all attempts to explain his hypocrisy were met with the standard "Obama is a socialist" answers.

Do you mean in terms of being a second hander, or what? I can see him being one, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean? Is it something about his flip-flopping on every issue?

Yeah, his inability to hold ideas of his own unless everyone else in his chosen group holds them.

Then shouldn't politicians, by definition, be second-handers?

[mainiac]

Gingrich may have stupid ideas but at least he certainly isn't afraid to have ideas that people around him don't share.

[Canalan]

Ah, good, another Fountainhead reader.  For fun, analyze Romney using the speech Roark gives at his trial.
And some of my family supports Gingrich as well, and all attempts to explain his hypocrisy were met with the standard "Obama is a socialist" answers.

Do you mean in terms of being a second hander, or what? I can see him being one, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean? Is it something about his flip-flopping on every issue?

Yeah, his inability to hold ideas of his own unless everyone else in his chosen group holds them.

Then shouldn't politicians, by definition, be second-handers?

Those that seek power for power's sake...

[jester]

Ah, good, another Fountainhead reader.  For fun, analyze Romney using the speech Roark gives at his trial.
And some of my family supports Gingrich as well, and all attempts to explain his hypocrisy were met with the standard "Obama is a socialist" answers.

Do you mean in terms of being a second hander, or what? I can see him being one, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean? Is it something about his flip-flopping on every issue?

Yeah, his inability to hold ideas of his own unless everyone else in his chosen group holds them.

Then shouldn't politicians, by definition, be second-handers?

Those that seek power for power's sake...

Are a damn sight better to be around than those who seek it so they can be jerks without repercussions?

[SalmonGod]

Ah, good, another Fountainhead reader.  For fun, analyze Romney using the speech Roark gives at his trial.
And some of my family supports Gingrich as well, and all attempts to explain his hypocrisy were met with the standard "Obama is a socialist" answers.

Do you mean in terms of being a second hander, or what? I can see him being one, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean? Is it something about his flip-flopping on every issue?

Yeah, his inability to hold ideas of his own unless everyone else in his chosen group holds them.

Then shouldn't politicians, by definition, be second-handers?

Those that seek power for power's sake...

Are a damn sight better to be around than those who seek it so they can be jerks without repercussions?

That's exactly how I would define power for power's sake, actually...

[jester]

I was thinking more the Genghis Khan style:  Control over pretty much the entire known world, living in a tent.  Living by the idea that the trappings of power are complete bullshit, power itself is all.  Like the idea.

[Canalan]

Go read The Fountainhead.  My little phrase makes a lot more sense then.

[Zrk2]

In fact, she says that "the man who goes after power" is "the worst sort if second-hander." I have a pdf of the the book, so I should be able to dig up her explanation...

...here it is:

Rulers of men are not egotists. They create nothing. They exist entirely
through the persons of others. Their goal is in their subjects, in the activity
of enslaving. They are as dependent as the beggar, the social worker and the
bandit. The form of dependence does not matter.

[SalmonGod]

The irony is that most wealthy business leaders would fit that description just as well as the people I know she's aiming her criticism at.

[Luke_Prowler]

The irony is that most wealthy business leaders would fit that description just as well as the people I know she's aiming her criticism at.

Well, I don't think anyone here is claiming that Ayn Rand was the most logical person around

[jester]

The irony is that most wealthy business leaders would fit that description just as well as the people I know she's aiming her criticism at.

Well, I don't think anyone here is claiming that Ayn Rand was the most logical person around

Heavy speed use will do that.  Frankly I found her stuff boring as scrut.

[darkrider2]

Genghis Khan style

Don't you mean Gingrich Khan?

edit: +1 internets for anyone who can make a photo supporting this.

[SalmonGod]

Genghis Khan style

Don't you mean Gingrich Khan?

... WHY DON'T I HAVE ACCESS TO PHOTOSHOP RIGHT NOW