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[birdy51]

I suppose that is true enough. We'll avoid any hasty decisions too early.

[Toaster]

GUYS.


Unallocated.  That's a computer science term, referring to either a program's variable that has no value assigned to it (like a pointer or hard drive space that's not assigned to a volume.


If this is not PROOF POSITIVE that this is some sort of computer simulation, I don't know what is.

[Furtuka]

...it means that the binding is empty. Terms can be used in multiple contexts you know

[EmeraldWind]

Ciro: My name is Vi, that's who I be. It fits my per-son-al-i-ty. I'm asking you, to do what you do. Run diagnostics for a few.

[Toaster]

...it means that the binding is empty. Terms can be used in multiple contexts you know

Well, sure.  But I don't think "Unallocated" was chosen arbitrarily.

[monk12]

Ciro: My name is Vi, that's who I be. It fits my per-son-al-i-ty. I'm asking you, to do what you do. Run diagnostics for a few.

Our name is Vi because we're the Sixth Sibling?

[flabort]

Ciro: My name is Vi, that's who I be. It fits my per-son-al-i-ty. I'm asking you, to do what you do. Run diagnostics for a few.

Our name is Vi because we're the Sixth Sibling?

Vi because of some memory, or we're impersonating a sibling. Or it may be a reference to Star Trek?

[Toaster]

Riltia is sixth.  The Target is fifth by process of elimination.

[EmeraldWind]

Riltia was later confirmed to be a Willborn rather than the standard Illborn that we run into in place of monsters of a typical RPG setting.

I was just pointing out that I think if a sibling were to lose Soul Charge, but not fulfill the conditions for turning into Willborn that they would transform into a humanoid Illborn like Chief instead of a monster like an Undersucker.

So...because the one Sibling to turn into an Illborn turned into a specific subtype of Illborn, you think that Siblings who turn into a different type will look completely different.

What? Who care's about looks?

I'm thinking along the lines of Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts. A Person who loses their heart may create a Nobody if their Heart was strong enough. If their Heart was even stronger yet their Nobody will have their Humanoid form rather than the standard run-of-the-mill monster form.

What I'm saying is we know that Illborn can have more monstrous forms (ie Undersucker, Cool Crab) or normalish forms (ie Chief, Wilford (in case you question, this remember that Al's chat with Wilford began to imply that Wilford wasn't being attacked by Illborn like Al. Which further implied that Wilford lacked Soul Charge)). Willborn have one distinct more quality than being a simple subtype and that is that we cannot beat them in a normal fight, they need to be defeated in a Spirit Duel. So we can say that not all monstrous Illborn are Willborn because we can fight them just fine.

We know that there has to be some kind of reason for the different types of Illborn and that it might have something to do with Soul Charge. In the theory crafting answer, FFS does refer to a quote that seems to establish that Illborn might become less monstrous by gaining Soul Charge.

Now with Cain, FFS said that anytime we could fight him the concept of Willborn goes out the window. For instance, right now if we fight him... he can't go Willborn due to being unable to lose Soul Charge. The only known way to lose Soul Charge require access to the Soul Star.

This means that if we want to fight Willborn Cain one of two things needs to happen: a) He needs to get his Star back or b) We need to obtain his Star. Also add in that in option a, Cain would have to willingly drain himself of Soul Charge which he might never do even to spite us. So this alone could be the reason why. There's simply no way of obtaining Cain's Star and then draining it.

But it seems odd to me that we won't be able to obtain Cain's Star and we know that we can damage the Star to cause drain similar to what happened to Riltia.

So maybe if we did this Cain would just become a standard Illborn, because the condition to make him Willborn is fulfilled. Now in that case, if we did that would we come back to Cain's boss room and find a Hellyfish floating in his place? I just think that siblings probably already fulfill whatever condition that causes Chief to look more-or-less normal and we'd find Cain looking more or less the same. Naturally, I've got no proof at this point but I find it a reasonable enough idea for the present.

[javierpwn]

I wonder if Soul Bindings are like hard candies for the Last Seraphim?

[Furtuka]

I wonder how does Cain's Willborn form tie into how Riltia's Willborn form drew in traits from her inventory and the objects that were surrounding her when she transformed. (There was also some implications that Yao's form would have done this too)

[javierpwn]

I wonder how does Cain's Willborn form tie into how Riltia's Willborn form drew in traits from her inventory and the objects that were surrounding her when she transformed. (There was also some implications that Yao's form would have done this too)

Yaos Second Shift confirmed to be a Drill.

[Chink]

Ciro: My name is Vi, that's who I be. It fits my per-son-al-i-ty. I'm asking you, to do what you do. Run diagnostics for a few.

Our name is Vi because we're the Sixth Sibling?

Vi because of some memory, or we're impersonating a sibling. Or it may be a reference to Star Trek?

Vi could just be a reference to the UNIX text editor vi, which would fit with the OS theme the Warrens has.

[flabort]

What I got from the whole "concept of willborn goes out the window" thing, is this:
Cain dies, then it's no longer possible for willborn to exist as they do now.

He's survived every single cycle, or it's implied. His imprisonment is overkill. But his prison does not contain the obvious mechanisms for the support of willborns.
This implies that his SOUL STAR has some ability that causes sudden and complete loss of soul charge and/or overdraining soul charge to transform someone into illborn. Perhaps illborn are caused when all soul charge is drained (Charge=0), someone is healthy when they have soul charge (Charge>0), and become willborn when extra charge is drained (Charge<0).
Where does the extra charge go? Cain's star has a special ability that absorbs the charge. It absorbs the charge and teleports the drained soul star to itself, and the close presence to his star causes the other star's owner to transform.

Oric's star grants him power and dominance over the Seraphim, right? According to Cain's story. Cain's star would grant him power and dominance over the Willborn, if he had access to it.

If we were to fight Cain, he would either: A) be severed from his soul, causing Willborn to no longer exist and just be illborn, B) Gain access to his soul, and overcharge all Willborn - turning the concept of willborn on it's head and making them absolutely demonic (as if they weren't before), or C) kill us. I dunno. I lost my train of thought 15 sentences ago. I'm just spinning nonsense now.

[flame99]

Perhaps when Soul Charge is drained, it goes to Cain's star? He's the glutton, after all; EAT AND KILL and all that. If Oric was trying to farm the Soul Charge, then you wouldn't want the murderous insurgent to get the charge that isn't used. On top of that, if his soul star would absorb the charge, he'd have incentive to encourage the other siblings to use up their charge, giving less to Oric, giving him even more reason to steal Cain's star. No real evidence to back this up, but eh.
Also, if this is true, we should really stop using Second Shift weapons.