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[AnimePigeon]

I reread the game. AnimePigeon pops out as the player with the most off D1 after the Agentt flip. I still don't like Magma Mater's D1 but he is absolutely not a dopp.

I have a hard time thinking it might be within ToonyMan, Imp, Salvatore Monday, or notquitethere, but gun to my head, I have to reevaluate everything I think I know about this game, I think I pick Salvatore Monday? We're getting really down into who is the most callous busser of poor Agentt at that point.

Good morning people.

I woke up and hah..

There isn't much thought behind voting Sal...I was and am still lost on how to proceed, and it just felt right. I mainly want to trust pigeon and see where this goes?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Agent was just the easiest push Day 1, thus it didn't feel right too me.

I made it clear I didn't think they painted a great imagine 🎨🖼️ of themself, but felt they gained too much traction, and generally wanted to stick to voting who I felt was (and still is) the most suss/opportunistic.

So, Agentt did flip dop, right?

Does that change your thinking or the picture at all of who is the most suss/opportunistic?

Do you see any likely partner of Agentt while this 'gaining too much traction' was happening?  You came into the thread a bit later than most, maybe giving you a different perspective since you don't know what's happening at all until you get here and get reading.

You notice, I guess, Agentt has traction, you do what you do - what do you see and think about what others were doing about this traction?

Agent flip-flopped once I believe, but that's my point, whilst he was opportunistic himself, he clearly didn't attempt to defend himself or switch his vote much at all.

He voted me out of nowhere, after seemingly complaining about not wanting me voted.

Salvatore is much more cunning & suspicious to me, as they were almost ever-present in the thread, yet most of what they contribute Day 1 added no real value to finding Doppelgänger/Evil. He never once tried to claim, and his defence of my push pretty much relied on dismissive comments from himself suggesting I was clueless or Magma vehemently defending him. Only for Salvator to vote Magma 😂

[Imp]

Kind of confused about the rationale behind the dopp kill but not going to complain that the dopps are helping me solve the game.

I'm a Sneak. I was roommates with Magma Mater during N1 (he didn't know). Magma Mater didn't leave his house, so he is not a doppelganger.

My D1 game suspects have all been solved, so now I have to work through Imp, ToonyMan, notquitethere, Salvatore Monday, and AnimePigeon.

I visited Jim with my Role Last Night

Do you feel like you've told us a lot about your role with that, or not?

That's very much upto how others perceive this information from me.

I can't see any reason why I should need to reveal my role, or need to elaborate further than I have realistically.

I can't confirm whether Jim is Good/Evil, but I thought my action was best used on Jim.

There's a weird thing about targeting Jim, if Jim's honest.

I wonder if you got results on Jim.  Not my problem, but interesting about you, or not.  Hard to tell.  I dunno if you know what you're claiming, or care.  Or if you know how to read your results and can help us understand more about Jim's likely honesty.

I mean, it's interesting, your claim vs his.

[ToonyMan]

I understand NQT's vote on Sal.

I don't understand Magma's vote on Imp.

I don't really feel like it's AnimePigeon. I think I believe them about visiting Jim and can make assumptions on what they were doing.

Salvation Money voted me EoD1 when it was tied and only switched off when Jim pushed to Agentt instead. I think this was an attempt to steer the lynch last minute. Also, Agentt's interactions with Sal are more suspicious to me than with other players, such as NQT or AnimePigeon.

[ToonyMan]

@Imp:
I don't know exactly how sneaks work since they're a newer role, but I believe AnimePigeon would not have had any effect or result on Jim as they were not home.

[AnimePigeon]

I reread the game. AnimePigeon pops out as the player with the most off D1 after the Agentt flip. I still don't like Magma Mater's D1 but he is absolutely not a dopp.

I have a hard time thinking it might be within ToonyMan, Imp, Salvatore Monday, or notquitethere, but gun to my head, I have to reevaluate everything I think I know about this game, I think I pick Salvatore Monday? We're getting really down into who is the most callous busser of poor Agentt at that point.

Good morning people.

I woke up and hah..

There isn't much thought behind voting Sal...I was and am still lost on how to proceed, and it just felt right. I mainly want to trust pigeon and see where this goes?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Agent was just the easiest push Day 1, thus it didn't feel right too me.

I made it clear I didn't think they painted a great imagine 🎨🖼️ of themself, but felt they gained too much traction, and generally wanted to stick to voting who I felt was (and still is) the most suss/opportunistic.

So, Agentt did flip dop, right?

Does that change your thinking or the picture at all of who is the most suss/opportunistic?

Do you see any likely partner of Agentt while this 'gaining too much traction' was happening?  You came into the thread a bit later than most, maybe giving you a different perspective since you don't know what's happening at all until you get here and get reading.

You notice, I guess, Agentt has traction, you do what you do - what do you see and think about what others were doing about this traction?

Agent flip-flopped once I believe, but that's my point, whilst he was opportunistic himself, he clearly didn't attempt to defend himself or switch his vote much at all.

He voted me out of nowhere, after seemingly complaining about not wanting me voted.

Salvatore is much more cunning & suspicious to me, as they were almost ever-present in the thread, yet most of what they contribute Day 1 added no real value to finding Doppelgänger/Evil. He never once tried to claim, and his defence of my push pretty much relied on dismissive comments from himself suggesting I was clueless or Magma vehemently defending him. Only for Salvator to vote Magma 😂

I generally get the sense that Salvator regardless of if he's a
Doppelgänger/Evil, was attempting to use Agent for credit, whilst lining up a mislynch on
Toony.

The biggest issue or complain Salvator had with me Day 1, was me asking Toony & NQT to stop voting alongside him. Yet, he had already voted me much earlier with absolutely 0 reasoning.

Atleast before I dropped my vote on Salvator, I gave chance for Salvator's Tone to progress/change, when it didn't, I voted him.

I'm generally not a fan of the common notion in Social Deduction Games that following a Evil/Neutral Lynch/Elim, that the other wagons that were in contention are now cleared, or because x amount of people voted/consolidated onto the revealed player, they must "all be good".

I'm not saying this is how your approaching it (because your not), but more because Salvator shouldn't get free pass for today just because he wants some credit for the Agent Lynch, when he's tried suggesting himself, he was more certain on Toony being Evil.

I've been in plenty of games were 2/3 Evils have been in contention day 1/2, they survive a day or 1 of them gets killed, then the other 2 manage to hide under the radar due to the credibility.

[AnimePigeon]

Kind of confused about the rationale behind the dopp kill but not going to complain that the dopps are helping me solve the game.

I'm a Sneak. I was roommates with Magma Mater during N1 (he didn't know). Magma Mater didn't leave his house, so he is not a doppelganger.

My D1 game suspects have all been solved, so now I have to work through Imp, ToonyMan, notquitethere, Salvatore Monday, and AnimePigeon.

I visited Jim with my Role Last Night

Do you feel like you've told us a lot about your role with that, or not?

That's very much upto how others perceive this information from me.

I can't see any reason why I should need to reveal my role, or need to elaborate further than I have realistically.

I can't confirm whether Jim is Good/Evil, but I thought my action was best used on Jim.

There's a weird thing about targeting Jim, if Jim's honest.

I wonder if you got results on Jim.  Not my problem, but interesting about you, or not.  Hard to tell.  I dunno if you know what you're claiming, or care.  Or if you know how to read your results and can help us understand more about Jim's likely honesty.

I mean, it's interesting, your claim vs his.

I don't think you intended, but please try not to bring into the game whether you think
I care or don't care... I'm in the game, I'm posting, ofcourse I care. This isn't an attack against you, I know you have stuff going on irl & you've mentioned it yourself, just try not to question my interest or care in the game.

This is a 72 Hr Day Game.

Jim's Information wasn't even specifically about me, he claimed he was Roommates with Magma & that Magma didn't visit anyone. (Atleast that's my understanding)

Jim that used that to try and reduce his POE from Magma & Me, to just me.

My action has 0 impact on Jim's result.

How can I help Jim having a POE of just 2 people, given that would suggest if there is 1 Doppelgänger & 1 Evil, that he would need a 100% Accuracy on both in his POE.

[AnimePigeon]

I know exactly what I'm claiming regarding visiting Jim & I might not be the most familiar with Bay 12 Customs & the Entire Role List, but I know the Role I am & I have read about how it works/interacts.

Ofcourse I can be mistaken/incorrect on things, but I don't have any good reason to say what the Action/my role is, especially given if Doppelgänger/Evil want to keep me around as a Mis-Lynch/Elim, they will have to play with fire 🔥 to decide how best to deal with me, spending time & likely resources to decide if they can afford to keep me around.

[Imp]

Kind of confused about the rationale behind the dopp kill but not going to complain that the dopps are helping me solve the game.

I'm a Sneak. I was roommates with Magma Mater during N1 (he didn't know). Magma Mater didn't leave his house, so he is not a doppelganger.

My D1 game suspects have all been solved, so now I have to work through Imp, ToonyMan, notquitethere, Salvatore Monday, and AnimePigeon.

I visited Jim with my Role Last Night

Do you feel like you've told us a lot about your role with that, or not?

That's very much upto how others perceive this information from me.

I can't see any reason why I should need to reveal my role, or need to elaborate further than I have realistically.

I can't confirm whether Jim is Good/Evil, but I thought my action was best used on Jim.

There's a weird thing about targeting Jim, if Jim's honest.

I wonder if you got results on Jim.  Not my problem, but interesting about you, or not.  Hard to tell.  I dunno if you know what you're claiming, or care.  Or if you know how to read your results and can help us understand more about Jim's likely honesty.

I mean, it's interesting, your claim vs his.

I don't think you intended, but please try not to bring into the game whether you think
I care or don't care... I'm in the game, I'm posting, ofcourse I care. This isn't an attack against you, I know you have stuff going on irl & you've mentioned it yourself, just try not to question my interest or care in the game.

This is a 72 Hr Day Game.

Jim's Information wasn't even specifically about me, he claimed he was Roommates with Magma & that Magma didn't visit anyone. (Atleast that's my understanding)

Jim that used that to try and reduce his POE from Magma & Me, to just me.

My action has 0 impact on Jim's result.

How can I help Jim having a POE of just 2 people, given that would suggest if there is 1 Doppelgänger & 1 Evil, that he would need a 100% Accuracy on both in his POE.

AnimePigeon

Please don't bring into the game what I think is a huge offense to me.

Beyond that, you claim to have targeted a sneak.

That means, depending on your role, you got a few possible outcomes.

But you also don't claim to have sussed Jim.

That extremely narrows down your role, as well as the bifurcated path.

I flat out don't believe you, don't like how you're posting or acting either.

You MAY be town.  I don't particularly think so.

And your sideways slippy posting makes more sense for dop trying to be vague than town particularly with that insult atop it.

[AnimePigeon]

I understand NQT's vote on Sal.

I don't understand Magma's vote on Imp.

I don't really feel like it's AnimePigeon. I think I believe them about visiting Jim and can make assumptions on what they were doing.

Salvation Money voted me EoD1 when it was tied and only switched off when Jim pushed to Agentt instead. I think this was an attempt to steer the lynch last minute. Also, Agentt's interactions with Sal are more suspicious to me than with other players, such as NQT or AnimePigeon.

In retrospect now Toonyman, can you understand why I voted Salvator yesterday?

I know Magma & Sal, both suggested my analysis/explaination was either poor or bad reasoning - but I don't see why Sal should get preferential treatment, when there output has been pretty dire.

I will say, some of Salvatores posts Day 2 have been more energetic almost, but I feel that's likely as he thinks he's riding a clear to end game.

[Salvatore Monday]

You don't understand me at all. It's sad.

I expect to vote AP today.

[ToonyMan]

In retrospect now Toonyman, can you understand why I voted Salvator yesterday?

Sal always acts shady I don't think it's alignment indicative.

I think their behavior around Agentt is more suspicious than yours which has felt more upfront and honest with your feelings. An Imp-lite is the best way for me to describe it, Impism?

You don't understand me at all. It's sad.

I expect to vote AP today.

What was your thought process at End of Day 1?

[ToonyMan]

@Imp:

Beyond that, you claim to have targeted a sneak.
That means, depending on your role, you got a few possible outcomes.
But you also don't claim to have sussed Jim.
That extremely narrows down your role, as well as the bifurcated path.
I flat out don't believe you, don't like how you're posting or acting either.
You MAY be town.  I don't particularly think so.
And your sideways slippy posting makes more sense for dop trying to be vague than town particularly with that insult atop it.

1. AnimePigeon wouldn't have known Jim was a sneak.
2. What role would want to visit a player that they didn't suspect? It's not an unreasonable decision for that kind of role to make.

[Salvatore Monday]

You don't understand me at all. It's sad.

I expect to vote AP today.

What was your thought process at End of Day 1?

I already explained it. I planned to vote out Agentt, but I wanted to spend as much time as possible without the lynch being a foregone conclusion, because the hammer-free setup makes votes lower-information than usual. Keeping the set of viable alternatives open longer means that I learn more from where people choose to put their votes. I was especially interested in getting you to move your vote when I tied it, although it is true that Jim moved his first; I was considering who was and was not advocating for an Agentt lynch, and I saw you as potentially on the "not" side, so I wanted to see where you'd go.

I also had side objectives relating to making the best use of my role, but you don't need to know about that.

[Imp]

Agent flip-flopped once I believe, but that's my point, whilst he was opportunistic himself, he clearly didn't attempt to defend himself or switch his vote much at all.

I want you to drop the vague stuff except about your role.  I don't care if you choose to be vague about your role, except I struggle to believe what you claim.

See, I claimed 'nothing to report'.  I'm even more vague than you.  But you claimed almost teasing about info, about yourself and Jim.  I don't like it, looks manipulative.

That's fine.  Don't fix it.

I won't elim you over that.

Be specific about PLAY.  Why you sus folks.

Stop being vague about stuff like "X did vague thing, I believe"

discuss it.  Specific accusations.

For other things too.

Drop your scummy 'oh no, what do I say'.

That's not the town pigeon I know.

That's not the pigeon who faced me in that WH game and laughed as he used lies and tricks and chased me well.  Died for it, there.

-There-.  I'm town here.  And watching you.  And you are only barely looking MAYBE town.

From where you were town, and bane of banes to me, however briefly before town offed you:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yes I made a mistake, everyone does at somepoint.

I hinted I was the spiritualist yesterday, and suggested they should check the GD claim, and I was ridiculed for that suggestion. So I did something different, and got similar $%#!.

I will say, I do fully appreciate [MENTION=12578]cato[/MENTION] & [MENTION=7173]niphredil[/MENTION] being kind but stating they believed it was a mistake.

Cobalt on the other had did similar to Asiago yesterday which really pissed me off, but I just stayed away from the thread for a bit.

It's no secret that I'm generally better as Evil Alignment, because when I'm Town, I get read as Evil for the slightest spelling mistake.

 [MENTION=240]Cobalt[/MENTION], I'm a Bold Player, maybe allow me to answer you without you jumping to conspiracy theories.

I believed a Eskcanta W view would likely spook the Witches, should the majority of us be wrong about Eskcanta. I believe they are Town, but I may be wrong.

Like The Beagle is sus of me, and hasn't even explained why.

I don't like the blind trusting of people, you might be familiar with people but blind trust isn't the way to play.

actually I think that was kind of witchy

Real
And also makes poeing priest easier

way easier

I think I spooked him when he said Eskcanta w was his check and I told him to hard claim it if true

that's a BOLD check for cop cover to make

I think just might be witchy misplays

Will you stop with the snide insults?

You disagree with my play sure - but I'm not a Witch.

Stop trying to put words in peoples mouths, it pissed me off enough with Asaigo generally being toxic.

[title]Revelations[/title]


AnimePigeon activates as the Spiritualist!

There will be no deadline extension.

BATMAN was the Village Apprentice :cryariver:

this was not a necessary use of your ability tbh

Maybe not - but I chose to and it was my decision.

It still provides more information.

[V]AnimePigeon[/V]

Back to this, I need a wagon on AP.

Okay.  My vote's not currently busy.  [V]AnimePigeon[/V]  It's super early in the day, and AP hasn't spoken yet today.  I have very high expectations of AP, and think AP is likely town and will likely look very town, from play not mechanics (I don't make any claims about AP and mechanics in any way) in the near future.

AP got a late start, and maybe wasn't there yet by end of D1.  But seems to have a great mind.  The observations about game mechanics, for a newer player and new to this setup?  And the hints of reading us.  I think if AP's town we won't be disappointed, and I think this person's value will be clear.

Is the wagon you need for pressure?  Are you hoping we elim AP today?  Some other goal for this?

I like this post Eskcanta.

I hope we can be good friends this game and outside of games once this ends.

Can't say I'm used to compliments, mostly used to insult being hurled my way instead 😂

But I typically feel I do disappoint frequently. My Communities BGG & SDT don't tend to agree with me tho 😂 they just think I'm trying to lull people into a false state of security 24/7 so I can unleash my full power 😂

I don't think it matters that much from my perspective if you understand me or not. I've wasted enough posts on this.

If I have 4 or more votes on me by tomorrow morning, I will be claiming, and it will not be pleasant for anyone. This isn't really the way I wanted this to go, but it is what it is.

You have been warned.

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Claiming with 4 votes seems like an overreaction

Yeah, a little unwarranted or uncalled for the outburst from Aeoryi.

Very much get the impression from they they think they should be V Cleared due to there 1.x Word Speeches, but I'm not sure they really contributed much to this game other than confusion.

BTW IDC IF THIS IS SUBOPTIMAL I AM DRUNK AGAIN SORRY ITS BEEN A LONG WEEK

Marry is constantly drunk and high on life. To be fair, without her fairly beloved BATMAN she's a sobbing wreck.

It's okay, the anime pigeon is here to try to help!

I think my wagon is more likely to have 0 mafia. (I feel like thats a dumb thing to say but people say it every game so im saying it now too)

If that's what you believe then IH then who are we to disagree. You could be objectively correct - but it won't be apparent until Townies start to die.

I am worried that Esk will die overnight, as I belive they have been integral to trying to promote solving.

PLAYERS GROUPINGS: Quote this part and add your good/bad reads.

Eskcanta - Good
Cobalt - Good
Kajot - Good
Butterscotch Sundae - Good
marry - Good
niphredil - Good

Garden Gnome - Good
Rockbert - Good
AkaneSQ - Good
cato - Good
deine mudda - Good
EvilContract - Good

The Beagle - Evil - Can't put my finger on it, but Beagle feels very much the same as BATMAN to me.

BATMAN - Evil - Very Thin Posts, little explanation or reasoning. Married to Marry.

Aeoryi - Evil - Feels very much like a bit too much effort from Aeoryi to try and cement themselves as a Town Core, but for me it's done the exact opposite, I feel a lot of there posting has been rather overkill and unnecessary. More likely to be an Evil trying to blend in.

asiago8 - Evil - Very Brief & Antagonistic Posts, very little relevance to the game or little to no attempts to solve - seemingly suggesting low effort. Currently incapable of stringing together a reasoning for there reads other than stating the alignment he believes they are.

[/QUOTE]

No that is incorrect and dismissive

Incorrect & Dismissive? How about people just explain there reads then?

I did, in my poe wall post. I think you are strawmanning the reasoning people sr you

I think your misunderstanding Cato, I'm not saying your not elaborating on reads, you weren't even in the discussion until your inserted your opinion on the matter.

I appreciate you have your read and that you've elaborated on it, but not everyone here is actually explaining there reads. But it seems most are more than happy to allow people to give no reasonings.

Niphredil has given an idea of why they believe I'm Wolfy, and I appreciate that, they are wrong, but hopefully they will see the light.

... wait have i even said that lol i thought i just naked voted you lol?

(anyway its not that serious vote rn even idk if i want to kill you today but wagons are fun and we have time so lol XD)

You mentioned there was a post that you felt was off - and gave off the impression the vote was more of like a behaviour test. Thats how I interpreted it - apologies if I put words in your mouth.

I simply don't understand why people vote without giving reasons. It makes no sense to me, I want to make friends via this game and win, but it's difficult when people just sling votes and fail to ever address it.

Let me get this straight lmfao 🤣 I'm sussed for wanting people to elaborate.

Give over will you.

No, that's not my reason.

Care to elaborate then? Because you haven't thus far.

Niphredil has given an idea of why they believe I'm Wolfy, and I appreciate that, they are wrong, but hopefully they will see the light.

Asiago is voting me simply as a counter wagon, no actual reasoning.

I've given my reasoning for sussing Asiago - you might not agree with it, but I've given them more than enough time to elaborate on there posts, they are simply padding out there numbers.

If someone's unsure of my contributions or wants to further understand any reasonings I may have, simply ask a question and I'll answer. It's not that difficult.

[S-POILER]

[V]asiago8[/V]

I've had an iso of Akane as the lowest poster currently for a comparison to Asiago, and Akane is offering a lot more solving in her posts as opposed to Asiago.

I've also read that Asiago is on mobile so struggling, whilst I appreciate that pain, both me & The Beagle are on Mobile and seem to be coping relatively well. I know everyone is different,  but hiding behind your device and saying it's limiting you is a little strange in my opinion.

For Example, my Pc has been broke since 2022, but that hasn't stopped me joining Social Deduction Games and posting well & detailed whilst using my phone - phone is generally more convenient for being on the go. So whilst yes a Pc is more intuitive when at home, it's not always the best option even when available.

[/S-POILER]

I think that post is kinda weird after wanting to give Asiago more space? Also don't know what to make out of his focus of telling others to make sure they have good reasoning for their reads

I had a Vote on EvilContract, but started sussing Asiago more, i agreed to give them more space, slept and they hadn't improved. Thats a logical progression for me.

I'm not slinging votes aimlessly.

If you really find a single post of mine iffy, then be my guest and vote me - it doesn't bother me too much, as I'll still have an influence from the grave. I'll just be supremely bored.

rockbert unironically locktown

esk and cobalt too

Batman and evil also probably just town as well, less confident on the latter

Just done a relatively quick iso of you Asiago - firstly, Hi - I don't believe I have spoken to you before.

I've noticed your posts so far lack depth and explanation. As Town, our second strongest weapon behind our Votes, is our ability to contribute meaningfully and try to establish a concrete set of information to make our assessments off.

With you, I don't really see much reasoning or explanation behind your reads at all - sure, it's great to have reads, but it's generally more impactful and helpful if you can sustain your views or arguments with sufficient examples or information.

Could you please elaborate further on your Town Core and Evil Leans?

The trick you used then,

Not you, even though the feeling isn't mutual.
I am not convinced by Aeroryi's explanation of that unvote, so I'd keep looking there. Could be a squirming witch. AnimePigeon?? Maybe? Not sure.

Did she even explain it idk

Isn't Cato referencing Garden Gnome with this question? Not Aeoryi?

I don't squirm as Evil. I'm far too used to following it.

Anyways if I'm Priest I got Eskcanta W

So.

You're genius.  Or at least can make sense.  Be specific, be clear.

Where is that.

[Imp]

In retrospect now Toonyman, can you understand why I voted Salvator yesterday?

Sal always acts shady I don't think it's alignment indicative.

I think their behavior around Agentt is more suspicious than yours which has felt more upfront and honest with your feelings. An Imp-lite is the best way for me to describe it, Impism?

Nice.  I see similarities between myself and AP too.

... this game I am not so sure I see town AP, and I think town AP looks loads more like me than anti-town AP.

I've tried to invoke that side of AP.  Gave some time too.

If you're town, AP.  You can get out of my deep current sus.