This is the first post Toons makes D2, also the third post anyone makes D2:
ChatGPT is the GOAT
@Sal:
I don't have anything worth sharing
I also thought Magma or AnimePigeon but Jim has cleared Magma which makes this easier, sorry Magma
It's never Magma
It's very unlikely to be Jim or Imp
It's probably not NQT or Sal
It's probably AnimePigeon
Supposedly, Toons just spend the night chaining up Magma. He knows, if that's true, that Magma didn't kill. He attributes this to Jim's sneak report - and really believes Jim. But he has no doubt on Magma, spoken like someone who has mech saying Magma stayed home.
This is the first post NQT makes D2.
Kind of confused about the rationale behind the dopp kill but not going to complain that the dopps are helping me solve the game.
It's very obvious to me! On D1 the Agent wagon was down to 0. No one on him. I suggested a few hours before EOD we just eliminate Agent and Crystal was first one to take me up on that. She voted before I did.
Who didn't join the Agent wagon straight off and instead tied the vote with Toony...?
Salvatore Monday
Someone who spend the night supposedly chaining Mater.... and who later shows a LOT of stress about the idea. Walks into the game with their mind full of who killed Crystal. Spoken like someone who has mech on who killed crystal, though there can be other solutions.
Here is the annoying thing, Jim can definitely be Evil & I don't think anyone (atleast not me) has suggested they are completely clear.
How though? There are only two dopps. Crystal was killed by a dopp (her bones were gnawed). Jim claims to have acted on Magma, revealing Magma hasn't left his house and Magma hasn't denied this. Aliens can't watch people's houses (that I've seen in the role list). Jim would have to be lying and be making a very lucky claim about Magma in order for him to be a doppelganger or alien. Strictly speaking, not completely impossible, but I really don't see the scenario that makes sense here.
Supposedly, NQT chained Magma. Supposedly, NQT absolutely knows that Mater didn't leave his house, or at least mech says no. I don't get any feel that NQT feels especially certain that Mater stayed home.
(is there any way Magma could fool a sneak? Tech like Advanced Holoform modulator?) ... Magma.
I do not sus Jim. I wish I sus Jim and I just don't.
I am unsure I want to believe that Magma is clear, and I believe Jim.
Is there no mech way that Jim could be honestly reporting yet Magma still could have killed?
It's certainly possible, just as you mentioned with the Advanced Holoform Modulator.
See, me. I doubt all the claims. Trust Jim, sure. But... I'm sus of Magma getting around Jim.
Toons never is. .... which if Toons actually chained Magma... Toons knows that an advanced holoform didn't hide Mater walking out of his house - because chains. Toony believes Mater stayed home.
NQT doesn't. Which is very interesting, if NQT chained Mater.
And if NQT doubts his result that Mater was chained. And oooh, D2, NQT is eager to tell us his chain of Toons was SUCCESSFUL. He's excited about it.
Like he just saw that for the first time? So interesting.
And first thing NQT wants to say.... D3. D2.... I don't catch hint or feel of it, no sense he's sure about where Mater was N1.
For whatever reasons NQT says this - happens to be true - but... for someone with mech on Mater being chained. Why is NQT so avoidant of even paying attention to Mater, discussing him?
Imp isn't the dopp. Unless we thinking she bussed her partner while he was asleep? She was third on the wagon at the end. She made it. Seems unlikely
(I've been pfp today— will do some actual thinking and reading later)
NQT does say here, 'Magma isn't the dop'.
I'm caught up so far as reading D2, but I'm not caught up so far as updating my beliefs about the game.
I've got some mild structural vote reasons for suspecting Salvatore, as when given the chance, Sal acted in a way which could have saved Agent from elimination. That said, town players don't know anything, especially on D1, so this isn't decisive. After all, Magma was openly calling for a vet to be eliminated, saying Agent was a terrible pick, and Magma isn't the dopp.
Some of it is also POE, as I don't see Imp, Jim or Toony as as Agent's ally. Some people are saying AnimePigeon. This is interesting as Agent first gathered heat by putting the third vote on Pigeon. Would Agent do that to his only ally?
But by then, LOADS of people are saying it can't be Mater. And... NQT really only is checking for top sus people, I think I see.
As there's only two main plausible suspects, I suppose I don't really mind which order we try them in, given we have a tracker + whatever other undeclared town roles which can be brought to bear on the other suspect if we get it wrong.
This is interesting to question, given the supposedly chain on Mater.
Just been a very busy long weekend here. I'd probably have stayed up late and posted if I felt the game needed it, but there's only two dopps and a shed load of near-confirmed townies, so there wasn't any real urgency.
I still mildly prefer Sal over AnimePigeon, but I'm happy to be wrong here. Magma on Toony is interesting.
Magma, did you forget that all yesterday Toony was the alternative wagon to Agent?? You think that was a deep ploy?
So. I dunno how 'common knowledge' it should be for you pros that mad scientist tech goes through a warden chain.
But if NQT warden chained Mater. And Mater claims info on AP. I think Warden NQT who chained Mater... if that happened. Should be pretty aware of the possible outcomes of him chaining Mater.
I have role information indicating that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger.
How though? You didn't leave your house.
A deep ploy by whom? The first two people to vote for ToonyMan were human. It's not possible for it to be a conspiracy.
A ploy by Agent and Toony to bus one another. When Agent casted his self pres vote there had literally just been a vote count so he'd know the numbers. Why vote for his own teammate? Killing your only ally isn't self-preservation. OK, it could just be distancing. Maybe Agent thinks he's doomed anyway and that this would make Toony look better. Take a look.
In order... we're pretty deep in the day. This... very unclear how much NQT doesn't sus Mater. I think he's going with the flow but testing. I don't think he has mech on Mater staying home by force, but of course the tech stuff if mad scientist - nah. I don't feel the NQT glow of mech to chase here.
Here is the annoying thing, Jim can definitely be Evil & I don't think anyone (atleast not me) has suggested they are completely clear.
How though? There are only two dopps. Crystal was killed by a dopp (her bones were gnawed). Jim claims to have acted on Magma, revealing Magma hasn't left his house and Magma hasn't denied this. Aliens can't watch people's houses (that I've seen in the role list). Jim would have to be lying and be making a very lucky claim about Magma in order for him to be a doppelganger or alien. Strictly speaking, not completely impossible, but I really don't see the scenario that makes sense here.
Mr chained Mater N1... probing like this. Really?
OK magma, you can't drop that you have info that Pigeon is 100% non-dopp and not expand on that when the vote count looks like this:
AnimePigeon: 3: ToonyMan, Salvatore Monday, Jim Groovester
Salvatore Monday: 2: notquitethere, Anime Pigeon
ToonyMan: 1: Magma Mater
And this. Again. That conviction of sure that Mater was home, not there.
I mean, does it matter? Either I'm human and telling the truth, or doppelganger (in which case AnimePigeon is still human).
It matters to me because you seem to be lying and I'm not sure why.
But sure, you're not Crystal's killer and you're using that status to vouch for animepigeon. Maybe because you're convinced this will be a mis-elim and you're happy to lie to avoid that fate. The other (unlikely) possibility is that you're a dopp-aligned rogue doppelganger and you're trying to muddy the waters.
And TO BE FAIR, I have been saying that AnimePigeon is 100% not a doppelganger since the start of the day. For some reason it's been ignored by everyone.
There's a big difference between stating your opinion forcefully and claiming to have hidden information.
Could this be NQT now drawing on 'I chained you' - or that someone did?
Stop lying Magma. You're not a Telepath. Or if you are you didn't do shit last night. There should be only one Dopp left, it's not you, there's no need to make shit up. Reread your night action PM now and get back to us.
OH NO MR BILL.
Is this NQT fishing warden out of Toony?
I might know what role Magma is, sorry I didn't really make that clear earlier. It's better to be vague here.
Does the role you think Magma is make sense of his weird lying here?
Chainer of Mater, suspecting this, never thinking mad scientist, odd.
I never said I was a telepath, where are you getting that from? 
You implied it when you said you didn't get a "kill" result. Telepath is the only role that learns player's goals. Everyone in the game who isn't a telepath also didn't get a "kill" result. So now you're saying you were just being obtuse on top of also lying.
Last chance Magma, go read your role pm and make sure you're not mistaken on anything.
Magma might be a Hivemind, trying to protect AnimePigeon, his new ally (and even then, I'm not he'd have enough tech for this to make sense with Jim's result)... but I doubt Meph would make a nine player, 2-dopp game with a Hivemind... would he??
I don't think this is anything but NQT fishing like heck.
I'm not mistaken. I understand exactly why you think I could be mistaken. But I am not. I am 100% certain that AnimePigeon is, at the very least, not the doppelganger who killed Crystalizedmire. If you want to throw the game by lynching him anyway, well, that's your prerogative and there isn't anything that me claiming my role can do to save him.
This isn't a helpful attitude to have. Obviously claiming your source of information would lead credence to your story because as far as my understanding of the role list goes, it's complete unmitigated bullshit. Maybe I've missed some possibility though!
I'm not even voting AnimePigeon and I'm not sure why you're lying to save AnimePigeon, but your lies are making him look more suspicious rather than less.
And then here's NQT's claim.
Maybe I misread it all? He's solid on Mater being chained from start of day? Because he knows it from his role PM?
I'm the Psychic Warden. I successfully blocked Magma Mater last night.
Maybe he thinks for some reason it was AnimePigeon who did that. But if so, why would he be 100% certain?
Either way, Magma cannot clear AnimePigeon, because he was blocked.
NQT HERE says oh, mad scientist.
I think if he really chained Mater, he'd have 'reread' it with that in mind a lot sooner. Instead, he realized he could claim, then went back with new eyes.
I've reread the role list. Magma might be a mad scientist with a surveillance system. He could have just been clear and avoided this sideshow. There's only one dopp left so clearing a town player is worth spilling your role.
Jim, Toony, Anime Pigeon is a bad pick today.
And now back to 'well, I do what I can'. Interesting that NQT really seems in general to trust me this game. TMI levels of trust, compared to the last few games when he was town and sussed me hard to heck and gone. I mean, I appreciate it. But not enough to hand NQT the dop win.
Dang it's just Toony isn't it
If NQT knew he was claiming he had chained Mater from start of day, why's he realise NOW that he thinks he should have blocked Jim too?
Nah, this is all new.
Yeah wait a second, if Jim was a sneak, he'd presumably also be blocked by me. Jim?
For real though, there's a lot of juice in this town. I see in PM26 the dopps were given a mind shield to help them out. I wouldn't be surprised if the dopps this time also have some extra trick.
I don't think town would have two psychic wardens though, that seems a bit OTT. Toony is doing a good job of flipping my opinion of him.
Because I think this is more like how NQT reacts to a shocking successful chain. When he actually did it.
Yesterday the plan endorsed by both Imp and Toony was for me to block Magma. Imp and Toony were the main dopp suspects. Basic town playing protocol is to avoid openly coordinating your night action with the mafia.
I successfully roleblocked Toony!
Given Imp is claiming to have been blocked by Toon, she's probably a liar and given Toon isn't claiming to have been blocked he's also probably a liar.
This would make there too many dopps though, so there must be something else happening here. Maybe Toony has an advanced mind shield and I failed to block him but was told it was a success? Or maybe Imp is a dopp ally and her plan was to pretend to be blocked to give cover to Toony. Are there any other possibilities?
Either way, Toony is scum here right? What else could be happening?
I'll sleep on it.
And want others' opinions. But I think I actually do likely have the honor and privilege of finally meeting anti-town NQT.
Truly a pleasure, NQT. You're smooth and sweet and fine. I like you. Thanks for a great game, especially as I went through irl heck levels 3 through 9 all at once.
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