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[kaijyuu]

If they don't like their new marriage, they're just being close minded.

[sluissa]

Whilst I'd love open borders everywhere, it'd cause a hell of a lot of economic problems. See: the USA's Gilded Age unemployment, current era globalization, etc.


The world economy's all sorts of messed up, giving people benefits for living in a certain area. Fix that, then you can fix immigration/emmigration.

I don't claim to know enough to be sure about anything, but the way I see it, is that a lot of the problems in the world are caused by people being stuck some place under unfortunate circumstances. Give people the ability to go where they want, and suddenly those governments out there who do bad things lose their base.

One way of looking at it is democracy where you cast your vote by choosing where you reside. Another, perhaps, is a free market approach to the situation. While I don't always like what these two systems provide for us as is, it certainly couldn't be worse than what we have now, where people are stuck in bad situations simply because they're too poor, or the borders are closed, or the barriers to entry of the more fortunate countries are extremely high.

Unlikely to happen anyway, and I'd be happy to hear better ideas. Like I said, I can't predict what ripples and waves this might cause, and it certainly would end up causing problems. At heart, I just don't like the idea that some people deserve better chances at a good life than others simply because of the circumstances of their birth. Also sorta pissed at the whole "not allowed to go to Cuba" thing, but that's neither here nor there.

Frumple was right, however, nothing will ever get done if everyone is waiting on everyone else to first fix their parts.

[penguinofhonor]

Also sorta pissed at the whole "not allowed to go to Cuba" thing, but that's neither here nor there.

This reminded me about some talk Obama had early in his presidency where he promised to ease our relations with Cuba, and from some wiki-browsing I found that during his presidency economic and travel restrictions have been lessened, but I've got no clue what the specifics are.

I'm a little too lazy to find stuff about every bill, but this BBC article covers him allowing Cuban Americans to visit Cuba more easily.

[Twi]

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Huzzah! Now I don't have the excuse of "I'm lazy' as a reason not to contact my congressman! >_>

[Truean]

I am the ghost of Christmas Future, I bring tidings of things yet to come with student loans.

Only 55% of people aged 18-30 have a job in the United States. 1 in 2 students in the class of 2012 will be unemployed or underemployed.

+

"Only 39 percent are paying down balances. An estimated 5.4 million borrowers have at least one student loan account past due." ~Federal Reserve Bank of New York....

=

You do the math....

This is probably your only real chance and who knows if that'll pass.

[GlyphGryph]

Meh, there are legitimate problems with the whole "illegal immigrants being here," thing. However, it balances out once you realize that they pick all the food out of the fields, which let's face it, nobody here wants to do/can do.

The quote was about New Zealand, though, and it doesn't really balance out there. They have more than enough legal workers to handle all their picking twice over. And they are a small country with something on the order of 30% of their land area dedicated to nature preserves. They are big fans of sustainability, in a lot of different ways, and that means keeping outsiders out - whether it be pests, pets, plants or people.

Not to say their policy or implementation is perfect, or even very good, but there are a lot of people who want to live there, and unlike, say, the US, they can't fit them.

[Truean]

Meh, there are legitimate problems with the whole "illegal immigrants being here," thing. However, it balances out once you realize that they pick all the food out of the fields, which let's face it, nobody here wants to do/can do.

The quote was about New Zealand, though, and it doesn't really balance out there. They have more than enough legal workers to handle all their picking twice over. And they are a small country with something on the order of 30% of their land area dedicated to nature preserves. They are big fans of sustainability, in a lot of different ways, and that means keeping outsiders out - whether it be pests, pets, plants or people.

Not to say their policy or implementation is perfect, or even very good, but there are a lot of people who want to live there, and unlike, say, the US, they can't fit them.

I'm afraid I honestly don't understand you.

If you're quoting me, then I said:

Meh, there are legitimate problems with the whole "illegal immigrants being here," thing. However, it balances out once you realize that they pick all the food out of the fields, which let's face it, nobody here wants to do/can do.

Can you please help me understand how this was about NZ?

[Criptfeind]

Because the conversation was about New Zealand.

[penguinofhonor]

Just going to point out the CISPA thread, especially relevant now that the bill has passed in the House.

[scriver]

Can you please help me understand how this was about NZ?

He means the quote in your post. That is, the dialogue you responded to.

[ggamer]

http://news.yahoo.com/hurt-arizona-immigration-law-hispanics-organize-070343097.html
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That entire law makes no sense. They say it's not racial profiling, but they're not going to pull over a pale man with an orange beard and be all like "Sir, Can I see your green card? You look like an illegal Irish immigrant".

Basically, it's legislation that allows police to arrest hispanics and it makes me sad. Sad because It makes the south, and by extension me, look reaaaally bad.

[GlyphGryph]

Can you please help me understand how this was about NZ?

As the others stated, the conversation was about NZ. Which made your post a bit of a... non-sequiter, I guess. I was trying to stay on topic by relating your response to the situation being discussed.

[kaijyuu]

Sad because It makes the south, and by extension me, look reaaaally bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

You only "look bad" to people whose opinions you probably shouldn't care about anyway. So don't get too bent out of shape about that part (though do of course get bent out of shape about the racial profiling).

[GlyphGryph]

There's strong social value in judging by association, don't trast it completely. It provides incentive for people to improve the things with which they are associated, and is a strong social force for the better.

[Truean]

Can you please help me understand how this was about NZ?

As the others stated, the conversation was about NZ. Which made your post a bit of a... non-sequiter, I guess. I was trying to stay on topic by relating your response to the situation being discussed.

That's what I get for not making time to read the previous posts and starting a "new" one. Sorry.