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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7755 on: September 11, 2013, 07:35:04 pm »

It's racist because it's intentionally goofy parody of appearance.  Originates from and reflects a time when black people were considered mentally inferior.

Yes but why does that even count when the blackface is good?

I'm not sure what you mean.  "Blackface" refers to a very specific thing.

Blackface is common refered to WHENEVER a person, usually white, uses makeup, paint, or what have you... To look "black". It has long since been divorced from its very specific definition.

But I think we moved past this topic.
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« Reply #7756 on: September 11, 2013, 08:05:38 pm »

Honestly, at the end of the day there doesn't seem to be much difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7757 on: September 11, 2013, 08:07:09 pm »

Honestly, at the end of the day there doesn't seem to be much difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality.
I thought race ~= ethnicity and dependent on birth, while nationality is of course dependent on your current nationality.
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« Reply #7758 on: September 11, 2013, 08:21:01 pm »

If I wanted to be racist, I'd confuse the Dutch with the Deutsche,

But that wouldn't be wrong. They're the same word. Completely unlike Swedes and Swiss that are two completely different words :P
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7759 on: September 11, 2013, 08:22:46 pm »

People from the Netherlands are the Dutch. Germany are the Deutsche.

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« Reply #7760 on: September 11, 2013, 08:35:06 pm »

They call themselves Nederlanders, and their language Nederlands.

The English term stems from middle English when we called all the German people the "diuts" (or some variation of that word), yet for some reason after we adopted the Latin term "Germania" to refer to the reason, we kept on referring to the Netherlands by the old name, don't ask me why.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7761 on: September 11, 2013, 08:41:29 pm »

Blackface is common refered to WHENEVER a person, usually white, uses makeup, paint, or what have you... To look "black". It has long since been divorced from its very specific definition.
No it hasn't.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7762 on: September 11, 2013, 08:51:15 pm »


It's racist because it's intentionally goofy parody of appearance.  Originates from and reflects a time when black people were considered mentally inferior.

Yes but why does that even count when the blackface is good?
All Blackface, from the originals to straight make-up, is frowned upon. It's debatable whether it's even possible to do tastefully.


If I wanted to be racist, I'd confuse the Dutch with the Deutsche,

But that wouldn't be wrong. They're the same word. Completely unlike Swedes and Swiss that are two completely different words :P
If I wanted to be racist, I wouldn't care about how accurate or inaccurate my descriptions were. Jesus! I'm a hypothetical racist, I don't have to know the difference. You can all be Arabs (Pronounced A-rab) as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7763 on: September 11, 2013, 09:00:56 pm »

It's racist because it's intentionally goofy parody of appearance.  Originates from and reflects a time when black people were considered mentally inferior.

Yes but why does that even count when the blackface is good?

I'm not sure what you mean.  "Blackface" refers to a very specific thing.

Blackface is common refered to WHENEVER a person, usually white, uses makeup, paint, or what have you... To look "black". It has long since been divorced from its very specific definition.

But I think we moved past this topic.

I don't think I've ever seen the word used to refer to anything but the caricature that is unrealistically black skin, googly eyes, and humongous red lips.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7764 on: September 11, 2013, 09:07:40 pm »

My knowledge of blackface comes 98% from American pop culture and it certainly seems to think it refers to all browner-than-tanning-spray-skinned makeups.
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« Reply #7765 on: September 12, 2013, 11:29:34 am »

I don't think I've ever seen the word used to refer to anything but the caricature that is unrealistically black skin, googly eyes, and humongous red lips.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7766 on: September 12, 2013, 11:45:53 am »

The only other context I've ever heard of it is in making jokes about people with terrible fake tans.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7767 on: September 12, 2013, 12:59:02 pm »

Riddle me this, is it the Walloon or Flemish part of Belgium that makes such good chocolate?
I am going to assume it's the Flemish because they are closer to the DMR.
Both actually. The Belgian Chocolate tradition dates back to the Spanish occupation, and has as such evolved nationwide, especially during the colonization of Congo, rather than regional**. Strange is that apparently chocolate is regulated by law, though Wikipedia needs citations on that.

Of course, as with the beer, it's a combination of traditional techniques, knowledge, and High quality ingredients*.

*Explaining why the Dutch have no decent cuisine.
** Example are Waffles, with many regional varieties. Or beers, with lot's of regional varieties.
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« Reply #7768 on: September 12, 2013, 09:29:10 pm »

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« Reply #7769 on: September 12, 2013, 09:49:44 pm »

Women and harassment on the internet.

Also oddly enough the reverse is also oddly common though not as specific.

In that a woman who is dissatisfied with a man can basically post lies about him on the net which can interfere with his everyday life.

When I heard of it I thought there should be laws against businesses allowing slander as the basis for hiring.

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Hell, I'd like to see someone hack into that guy's account and **** HIM over

I don't really believe in revenge, but yeah legal pursuits are something.

Also the article isn't so much about internet police as it seems to be specific laws that protect people's right to privacy. As the laws it refers to are things like, a website cannot withhold pictures of you if you request they be removed.

Unfortunately I know that this will likely spin off into the corporate zone quite easily. Then again I held no illusions that the internet would remain anomalous and "free" forever.

Though I will admit what I thought was going to happen was that corporate maneuvering was going to do that. I didn't think it was going to be Cyber-rights laws that were going to be it but I guess that does make more sense.

Unlike Cyberbullying where I still believe such laws are going to be abused in stupid ways... This makes sense and doesn't have much room for abuse if kept in the private sector.
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