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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4125 on: September 24, 2019, 05:57:15 pm »

My next culinary adventure will beeeeeeee.......homemade Beef Jerky!

I don't have a dehydrator but this recipe makes doing it in the oven look pretty damn simple.

I've wanted to do this for a while but the biggest stumbling block was needing to cut several pounds of meat in to jerky thin strips so they'd dehydrate properly. But the video above was just like "ask your butcher to do it" and I feels stupid that that never occurred to me before. (To be honest I've never had cause to speak to a butcher or a grocery store meat department until now.)

Once you take the cutting out of the equation, it's literally "take 3 minutes to make the marinade, marinate the meat for 3 to 24 hours, have a cookie sheet and a rack, apply and let cook for many hours, enjoy jerky." Doesn't get much simpler than that.
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4126 on: September 27, 2019, 07:45:27 pm »





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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4127 on: September 28, 2019, 03:01:31 pm »

The Jerking is complete.





Thoughts:

-Overcooked the first batch I believe, at 3.5 hours. It's still edible, but doesn't bend without breaking and some of the edges might charitably be described as crispy. I guess I expected it to be softer somehow.

-The thickness of the cut has a lot do with it I think. I had them go thinner than an 1/8th of an inch and that has a big impact on how much wiggle room you have on cook times. If it's thicker it has to cook longer but it probably stays more pliable. Thinner and the line between not cooked and overcooked is much smaller. My oven might also had something to do with it.

-It absolutely needs to sit in an air tight container for a few hours after cooking. Eating some 10 minutes after cooling out of the oven, it was very dry and brittle and I was kinda like "oh god what have I done." After a few hours in a ziploc, it did get softer and more pliable and definitely tasted like and had the texture of jerky.

-Doing it in the oven, you have to contend with one issue: fat. Even with the leanest cut of meat I could get, after a few hours the fat pockets in the meat liquefied and sat in little pools and crevasses of the meat, giving it a greasy, shiny appearance. Because the fat doesn't actually go anywhere, that means it's still there and in a few weeks will probably go rancid. So this isn't the kind of jerky that will keep for weeks and weeks and weeks in an air tight container. Not sure how you're supposed to deal with that, other than trying to cut all the fat out of the meat before cooking which seems like wasted effort. I guess that's just one inescapable side effect of using an oven vs. a dehydrator. Maybe hanging the meat in the oven as opposed to letting it lay flat would help some of that fat run off the meat during the cooking process.

-Flavor is good. One marinated for about 9 hours, the other about 12 and I don't see much difference between them. Wondering what a 24 hour marinade would be like, but based on this, it seems like it would be a bit much.

A fun experiment and I'm keen to try it again sometime. This was about $16 worth of meat. Compared to what you get out of a ~$8 bag of jerky at the grocery store this is way, way more affordable.
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4128 on: October 01, 2019, 11:38:11 am »

-Doing it in the oven, you have to contend with one issue: fat. Even with the leanest cut of meat I could get, after a few hours the fat pockets in the meat liquefied and sat in little pools and crevasses of the meat, giving it a greasy, shiny appearance. Because the fat doesn't actually go anywhere, that means it's still there and in a few weeks will probably go rancid. So this isn't the kind of jerky that will keep for weeks and weeks and weeks in an air tight container. Not sure how you're supposed to deal with that, other than trying to cut all the fat out of the meat before cooking which seems like wasted effort. I guess that's just one inescapable side effect of using an oven vs. a dehydrator. Maybe hanging the meat in the oven as opposed to letting it lay flat would help some of that fat run off the meat during the cooking process.

Turn it over halfway through? Probably so the front-top becomes the back-rear so it cooks evenly.
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4129 on: October 01, 2019, 01:29:38 pm »

Maybe. Although I don't feel like the backside of each piece was any less greasy. The fat takes on a tacky quality when it's been heated for that long. Right now my plan is to just dab dry the fat off during the cooking process, which I didn't do previously except after it came out of the oven.

People seemed to enjoy it though. Was called "edible" on multiple occasions :P
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4130 on: October 02, 2019, 06:34:40 pm »

I tried to make mushroom risotto for the first time tonight but didn't get it quite right.  I based it on a slow cooker recipe, so it was already pretty different from the traditional method, but it didn't get as creamy as it was supposed to.  It barely got creamy at all, for that matter.

If I make it again I'll probably try the traditional way instead, and also try using arborio rice like most recipes recommend.  All I had on hand was some parboiled rice of some kind and I'm guessing it just doesn't release the starch like the recipe needs.

The flavor wasn't bad, at least.
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4131 on: October 03, 2019, 10:12:47 am »

Hoo boy. Since my household apparently ran out of sriracha in my absence, I borrowed some of this "hot chilli sauce" I found in the fridge (don't worry, my housemates are away) for the quick meal of pasta+beans+spinach I was cooking - I haven't any official pasta sauce, hence why I was using this stuff (mixed with some sweet chilli and tomato sauce) in the first place.

I chucked a bit in there, stirred, and damn! The stuff singed my fuckin' eyebrows off.
Not sure how brutal this "midnight snack" is gonna end up being, haha.
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4132 on: October 03, 2019, 10:57:48 am »

@nenjin ur very brave to try jerky, not a lot of people would go through that much effort for, objectively, the worst way to eat meat  :P

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« Reply #4133 on: October 03, 2019, 11:08:21 am »

@nenjin ur very brave to try jerky, not a lot of people would go through that much effort for, objectively, the worst way to eat meat  :P

Is it the worst way to eat meat?

It's fast.

It's flavorful.

It's healthy.

It lasts.

How about this: If I buy and make a steak and eat it, that's my meat for the day. I'm not gonna be like "hey I want more meat, I guess I'll make ANOTHER steak." With Jerky, there's always meat around, ready to supplement other meat. Have meat for dinner, and have some more meat for a night snack.

And I dunno. I grew up hiking and eating jerky and there is almost nothing sweeter on the trail than ready to eat protein.

I mean, I'd rather eat Jerky than boiled meat, which to me IS the worst way to eat meat. Flavorless, fatless grey meat versus super condensed, flavor-packed jerky.
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4134 on: October 03, 2019, 01:57:24 pm »

Boiled meat is arguably not food

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« Reply #4135 on: October 03, 2019, 02:28:48 pm »

As the weirdo who boiled two cornish game hens on a lark just to say he did it, they're tasty if seasoned properly.
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« Reply #4136 on: October 03, 2019, 02:41:08 pm »

As the weirdo who boiled two cornish game hens on a lark just to say he did it, they're tasty if seasoned properly.

Did you boil them in water, though, or in stock? The latter is much more common; it's the basis for a lot of slow-cooked soup recipes, for example, Linsensuppe being the first I can recall.
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« Reply #4137 on: October 03, 2019, 02:46:23 pm »

Did you boil them in water, though, or in stock? The latter is much more common; it's the basis for a lot of slow-cooked soup recipes, for example, Linsensuppe being the first I can recall.

Stock and wine. Topped off with a bit of water.
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Re: Food Thread: Kitchen Chemistry
« Reply #4138 on: October 07, 2019, 06:09:32 am »

My wife turned me on to having a meal replacement shake blended with frozen fruit instead of a full breakfast. One shake, one banana and a cup of frozen berries is 200-400 less calories than a typical (for me) breakfast, but somehow just as filling. It must be a placebo, right? Either way, they're damn good. Only downside is the protein/meal replacement/breakfast whatever is pretty expensive.
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« Reply #4139 on: October 11, 2019, 08:18:56 pm »

So bear with me a moment.

Half-size chicken tendies. Purely for ease of cooking - I didn't have my big fry pot. Coat in your standard three coatings, but the third is half Italian breadcrumb and half cornmeal. Crispy and amazing. The breading sort of falls off if you're way too rough with them and acts more like the breading you'd generally put on catfish.

And then you go to your fridge and find your mustard. Push it aside to reveal your sweet Thai chili sauce. Push that aside as well to discover a half-empty tube...thing of Kewpie mayo. Put that shit all over your tendies.

Chow down. Kewpie mayo is great on everything but cold cut sandwiches. Ramen. Stir fry. Chicken tendies, apparently.
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